Square Enix III: (Game over)

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Or a townie with a plan~

A

grand

plan~

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Vote Count:

bill1148: 3

(Zazier, Fate, Midnight's Sorrow)

inHimshallibe: 2

(KDub, bv310)

bv310: 1

(vezokpiraka)

PranaDevil: 1

(xRECKONERx)

Fate: 1

(Glork)

Midnight's Sorrow: 1

(bill1148)

quadz08: 1

(Chronopie)

Not Voting:

inHimshallibe
PranaDevil
quadz08

Lynch:

7 votes.

Deadline:

August 11th - 3:00 AM EST

[Glork]

ALSO THE BURDEN OF PROOF ALWAYS LIES ON THE PROSECUTOR. THIS AINT RUSSIA GLORK.

You're using Burden of Proof incorrectly.

If I ask Player X to prove that Player X himself is protown, then I'm guilty of Burden of Proof.
If Player Y says "Player X is definitely protown," I have every right to ask Player Y what evidence he sees that Player X is protown (especially when I have cited in-game evidence that points to Player X being less town).




Chrono, have you given ANY consideration to the potential overpoweredness of a sane cop in a mod-confirmed masonry?
How many people are in your masonry? Are all of them mod-confirmed to be innocent?
How far into "clearing this neighborhood" are you?

I have a masonry. My masonry has a cop. We started clearing one neighbourhood at a time. Do not ask who the cop is, I will not tell you.

I highly doubt Glork would be asking who the cop is, nor would anyone else, I mean there's role fishing and there's "sweet fucking christ you've just killed the town cop". But I honestly don't know why you revealed that info, has it benefitted anyone in the game outside of scum? Not really no. You've also announced that you have no clue, really, if anyone on your town list is actually town or not when you went and voted Quadz, so where the hell are you going with stuff?

So what is it Chrono? Are you scum trying to confuse the hell out of town, or are you a town mason who just threw together some random lists for the sake of it to try and get scum to kill from the wrong list? Because as it stands you're actions are getting a little jumpy for my liking.

This is :goodposting:.

Chrono has been very self-contradictory, and he's trying to shove "SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LISTEN TO ME" down our throats, when much of his posting doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. At best, he's just not thinking things through and jumping very readily to conclusions. At worst, he's misleading scum who gambited with a D1 mason claim.

Honestly, I'm starting to suspect the latter, but not enough to want to push Chrono off the bridge yet. Scum with a Scumbuddy Cop sounds pretty appropriate here.

[Glork]

Unvote, Vote: inHim

Get your sexy kester in here and find me some scums, inHim.

[quadz08]

I agree. Chrono's mason claim is looking worse and worse with every post, but he hasn't really been scummy enough for me to disbelieve it. He's just being dumb, mostly.

[Chronopie]

I've been told. in no uncertain terms, to STFU.

So don't expect any more from me today.

[PranaDevil]

Excellent, So if you're town you've either condemned your partners, or you're attempting to set up the scums, who would likely know if you are as they would likely be part of your random group of town, and thus the only people who don't know of your plan to set them up is the town.

If you're scum you're just confusing town and using mason stuff to cover your tracks. Argh!

I don't want to lynch a claimed mason, but christ on a bike you're making it hard Chrono. For the time I feel a Bill lynch may work for the best, but sort yourself out Chrono.

vote: Bill

[inHimshallibe]

Unvote, Vote: inHim

Get your sexy kester in here and find me some scums, inHim.

I'm here!

My task today is to find a way to read this at work. bv's vote is dumb. Yours is sexy, though.

[vezokpiraka]

I am all for a bill wagon or a chrono wagon or a quadz wagon or a MS wagon. I won't support the Inhim wagon.

I will wait for votecount to see who things are settled and will change my vote.

[inHimshallibe]

I am all for a bill wagon or a chrono wagon or a quadz wagon or a MS wagon. I won't support the Inhim wagon.

I will wait for votecount to see who things are settled and will change my vote.

Y'know, claiming so early and acting like you are now doesn't fly too high with me.

vote: Bill

- let me get some gems from him in a second.

[inHimshallibe]

Actually, I only have time for one.

Well that was weird.

JP dies at a measly 4 votes for whatever reason. It might have been some sort of automatic ability for him, where if lynched he dies at less votes (to counterbalance other abilities, I'm sure). In which case, some +town points for all four who voted for JP (Reck, Midnight, vezok, inHim). I don't think scum would, with the knowledge that their partner was going to die at such few votes, be willing to throw a vote on him. Being that a) No Town player would be aware of an early death, and as such no suspicion comes to those who didn't vote for scum and b) little reason to throw an early vote on a player where there is virtually no case for him. He is gone for most of Day 1, then when he returns when the Day is nearly over. Day 2 he dies before he even gets on here. I think he made a total of like 3 posts this entire game. Again, not much suspicion goes to those who didn't vote for him.

Anyone else think it's likely bill is the executioner? Read it again.

[vezokpiraka]

Thinking about it that post of bills is written like he knows what happened. Either he is the executioner or one of the scumbudies of JP.
This can't go wrong.

unvote
Vote bill

[quadz08]

After reading through Bill's iso, he does feel somewhat scummy... I'm honestly not terribly sure why, though. I think there's a possibility he's scumbuddies with Reck, if he is scum. isos #4 and 5 are brief questions, while #8 is protecting him. It's far from convincing, but it just stood out to me for whatever reason.

I await a response from Bill to the votes on him. He's at L-2, if my count is correct.

[Glork]

I've been told. in no uncertain terms, to STFU.

So don't expect any more from me today.

No, I believe you've been told to SATBYP. Stop And Think Before You Post.

Now, please answer my three questions to you.

[Kdub]

I am willing to believe Chrono at the moment. If he is scum, he put a big target on his back for a SK/second scum team, and there's a chance he would have been forced to reveal his partner anyway. The masonry with a cop does seem very powerful, but with the mass roleblock every other night, it could be limited.

The main reason for suspicion on inHim is based on him hopping on the biggest wagons, then when he finally posts, guess what he does?

Anyone else think it's likely bill is the executioner? Read it again.

Not really seeing it. People were speculating similar things in my neighborhood. I don't think such speculation is scummy. The last 3 votes on bill (MS, inHim, vezo) look weak, as does quadz's latest post. The bill wagon took off way too easily, just like the earlier bv wagon. In fact, since vezo is in my neighborhood, I'm wondering why he believes that bill has some hidden info about JP's lynch based on his speculation, yet he doesn't say anything about me/Glork/Prana/MS when we were discussing similar things.

[vezokpiraka]

I have no idea what you are saying there Kdub.
Even if you feel the rest of the votes are weak I still think it's a good wagon. Do we have a better lynch target?
Like I said I don't want to lynch Inhim. I prefer to vote someone who made more posts instead of going for the lurker.

[xRECKONERx]

/facepalm

Where's the case for bill, again?

[bill1148]

Just did some quick reading but I think I'm at L-1. >< Were you guys seriously trying to shank me while I was gone?

I just got home from a 10 hour work shift and I'm exhausted. Will read and post thoughts later today.

[xRECKONERx]

Bill. Claim.

[quadz08]

@mod: votecount?

[bill1148]

Alright, time to get this sh*t under control. Observing all votes against me, in chronological order (6 votes in total, L-1)

Bill, you're ignoring again.

Also, forgot to

VOTE: Bill

Pretty sure I know the reason even if he doesn't give one in this post.

That wagon was far too easy for scum Bv.

Also there's definitely two scum teams with that many easy votes.

LETS LOOK BACK AT WHO JUMPED ON:

bv wagon.
Something tells me it's a bad wagon. Anyway people voted for him. Nobody wants a MS or prana wagon so I will switch to bv
unvote
vote bv

lol works for me

.

Quadz is probably town.

Haven't really read Bill.

Unvote:
Vote: Bill

DOWN FOR A VEZOK WAGON ALSO

Admits to not having read me yet readily dumps a wagon vote on me. Green part is his acceptance of an uber-sh*tty post by vezok, then says he has no problem with a vezok wagon which makes no fucking sense. Seriously, if it weren't for Chrono's "MASON/COP HE'Z TOWN GUYZ!" I'd be voting for him today.

Unvote
Vote: Bill

about the 20th time he's done that.

^Good postin'

This came directly after Midnight's post. My reaction:

Excellent, So if you're town you've either condemned your partners, or you're attempting to set up the scums, who would likely know if you are as they would likely be part of your random group of town, and thus the only people who don't know of your plan to set them up is the town.

If you're scum you're just confusing town and using mason stuff to cover your tracks. Argh!

For the time I feel a Bill lynch may work for the best

I don't want to lynch a claimed mason, but christ on a bike you're making it hard Chrono. , but sort yourself out Chrono.

vote: Bill

Uh...yeah? :uberbadfuckingvote: Wagon vote dumped in the middle with NO reason.

FYI: Prana was in the mid-wagon on dramonic. Was completely absent Day 2 during that JP escapade.

Actually, I only have time for one.

Well that was weird.

JP dies at a measly 4 votes for whatever reason. It might have been some sort of automatic ability for him, where if lynched he dies at less votes (to counterbalance other abilities, I'm sure). In which case, some +town points for all four who voted for JP (Reck, Midnight, vezok, inHim). I don't think scum would, with the knowledge that their partner was going to die at such few votes, be willing to throw a vote on him. Being that a) No Town player would be aware of an early death, and as such no suspicion comes to those who didn't vote for scum and b) little reason to throw an early vote on a player where there is virtually no case for him. He is gone for most of Day 1, then when he returns when the Day is nearly over. Day 2 he dies before he even gets on here. I think he made a total of like 3 posts this entire game. Again, not much suspicion goes to those who didn't vote for him.

Anyone else think it's likely bill is the executioner? Read it again.

Besides the fact that you're pointing to the part of my post which doesn't have sh*t to do with an executioner, I fail to see what your point is. I was speculating of completely plausible scenarios (which others besides myself have considered, mind you), though I too am inclined to believe that this scenario is far less likely than the executioner one. Your logic is pissy and shoddy at best.

And ah yes, another wagon vote from you. Counting dram & JP, that pretty much exhibits the fact that every vote from you has been on a late wagon.

Thinking about it that post of bills is written like he knows what happened. Either he is the executioner or one of the scumbudies of JP.
This can't go wrong.

unvote
Vote bill

...

To sum it up, there is no case against me. Only people with actual reasons are Zaz & inHim. Zaz' is an understandable vote, but inHim uses some pretty shoddy reasoning. Every other vote is a sheep vote.

[PranaDevil]

FYI: Prana was in the mid-wagon on dramonic. Was completely absent Day 2 during that JP escapade.

Way to go there Bill mah boy, if you'd also paid attention I went V/LA during night 1, and PM'd Kise about it (he states I'm V/LA in his post returning from night), and I'm still V/LA when the lynch happens. Ergo it's hardly surprising I was absent, I was nowhere near an internet connection for that period.

[bill1148]

I'd be up for that. I guess. But the neighbourhood is going to get real quiet. wait, what am I saying, it has Reck and Fate.

I pity you. That much CAPS has to make the eyes bleed after a while.

Anyway, back from V/LA. I'm caught up too, and as such, I'd like to

Vote: InHim

2 NKs so far have been from my Party, and InHim is the least talkative. I'm also highly suspicious of Bill. He's acting way too similar to how he acted in SE: I, in which he was scum

.

Also, Chrono's claim would be shockingly overpowered. But, given the roles in past SE games, that wouldn't surprise me in the slightest.

What? How much someone talks in the neighborhood is irrelevant. But if you want to be technical, you and me included both rarely talk there. In fact as far as I can tell only Devo, Nero, and Zaz were doing any talking (for future ref., our neighborhood consists of

Devo

,

Nero

, Zaz, bill, inHim, bv). Looking for why Devo & Nero died based on neighborhood interactions is pretty stupid, both were quite talkative/contributive during the Day Phase and both could have had a million reasons for their being killed. Glork basing Nautillus being killed based on neighborhood intereactions feels slightly more accurate since Nautillus wasn't seriously contributing anything during Day. Not even going to bother with something as trivial as the last sentence of blue. And also, the first part about "2NKs so far have been from my party" makes it sound like you *know* two NKs have been coming from the same faction. Otherwise, it is irrelevant if one kill came from one faction and another kill came from another faction, since the connection is lost between patterns of kills to their respective killers.

But nice vote.

After reading through Bill's iso, he does feel somewhat scummy... I'm honestly not terribly sure why, though.

I think there's a possibility he's scumbuddies with Reck, if he is scum. isos #4 and 5 are brief questions, while #8 is protecting him. It's far from convincing, but it just stood out to me for whatever reason.

I await a response from Bill to the votes on him. He's at L-2, if my count is correct.

And on a side note, Chrono & Vezok are AWFUL town

[bill1148]

FYI: Prana was in the mid-wagon on dramonic. Was completely absent Day 2 during that JP escapade.

Way to go there Bill mah boy, if you'd also paid attention I went V/LA during night 1, and PM'd Kise about it (he states I'm V/LA in his post returning from night), and I'm still V/LA when the lynch happens. Ergo it's hardly surprising I was absent, I was nowhere near an internet connection for that period.

Never said you didn't V/LA and numerous other players were absent as well. I simply pointed out absence. In any case, that is a strawman. The first point still stands and it was the main one.

[PranaDevil]

To be honest, right now nobody is standing out to me as scum, and while you're not being obv. scum or anything, I do feel you've been the most inconsistant. You pulled me up over purely being concerned over JP's lynch, despite the fact I'd made my reasons obvious why I was concerned, you've also stated Vezo is pro-town after the claim, and then waited a while before saying that it was a terrible job for him to role claim, why did you feel the need to add that well after the claim had been said?

It just feels wrong to me, hence why I'm on your wagon and nobody elses.

[xRECKONERx]

I like bill's playstyle.