Square Enix III: (Game over)

[quadz08]

Chrono's last post in the QT said that if he winds up calling for a guilty lynch on quadz, it means he has a guilty.

Fate, me, quadz, and Chrono were the ONLY ONES in the QT. Fate & Chrono were masons who are now dead. That leaves me and chrono. I sure as fuck didn't kill our masons, so it would make sense for scumquadz to be like OH FUCK MASONS ARE INVESTIGATING ME KILL KILL KILL.

Why does it have to be one of us? It seems to me that scum would have seen your post yesterDay and gone "oh hey, they're gonna make a giant mason group that we can't win against. We should probably keep that from happening."

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Vote Count:

quadz08: 2

(PranaDevil, KDub)

Glork: 1

(vezokpiraka)

Not Voting:

bill1148
bv310
Glork
Midnight's Sorrow
quadz08
xRECKONERx
ZazieR

Lynch:

6 votes.

Deadline:

August 17th - 11:30 PM EST

[quadz08]

Also, we need to be careful, we only have 10 players left.

Unvote

Sorry for the triple post, but I have to say it:

HALLELUJAH. SOMEBODY FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT.

[xRECKONERx]

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

I don't like quadz at all. I have some good reads here but I don't trust him.

His lynch targets have been bad bad. I wouldn't be surprised if his scumbuddies have been softdefending him all game. He wasn't on inhim's wagon either.

You better tell your buddies to kill me tonight quadz. You'll regret it if you don't.

Oh my god.

[xRECKONERx]

Also, I'm wondering if we even had a cop at all. Chrono claimed the masons cleared Fate via investigation, but he was a mason all along.

[quadz08]

I think it's pretty clear we don't, unless the masons have a third member who is the cop, which seems like it would be ridiculously overpowered (juggernaut + cop? Daaaaaaamn.)

It's always possible that there's a non-mason who's a cop, though.

[xRECKONERx]

LET'S GET THIS STRAIGHT

QUADZ WAS GONNA BE PLACEBO-INVESTIGATED BY THE MASON COP AND KNEW CHRONO WOULD BE THE ONE TO DELIVER THAT RESULT
QUADZ ALSO KNEW FATE WAS ON HIS ASS (see QT post) AND WAS TOLD POINT-BLANK BY FATE TO KILL HIM TONIGHT OR ELSE HE'D REGRET IT

THE MOTIVATION
THE WIFOM
IT'S ALSO SO TERRIBLY FUCKING DELICIOUS

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Vote: Quadz

Can't really argue with that

[quadz08]

QUADZ WAS GONNA BE PLACEBO-INVESTIGATED BY THE MASON COP AND KNEW CHRONO WOULD BE THE ONE TO DELIVER THAT RESULT

I've already responded to this, in post 750.

QUADZ ALSO KNEW FATE WAS ON HIS ASS (see QT post) AND WAS TOLD POINT-BLANK BY FATE TO KILL HIM TONIGHT OR ELSE HE'D REGRET IT

Why the HELL would scum listen to that? First off, how could Fate make me regret it? (this was before his flip, keep in mind.) Second, I'll just quote you: "THE WIFOM."

[Glork]

Glork, assuming we have a 3:3:12 setup, where does that put us with potential nightkills?

I can do a best case scenario, but I can't figure out all options from here.

BEST CASE SCENARIO, we lynch Scum A today, scum kill each other tonight, we lynch Scum B tomorrow, and scum kill each other off again N5.

Also, are we all content to agree that it's 3:3:12 because Kise wouldn't be stupid enough to make it 4:4:10?

It's almost certainly 3:3:12. Balance dictates that it is such. There seem to be a bunch of vanilla townies, with most (if not all) of the power condnesed into the masonry.

4:4:10, given we already have four dead Vanillas, would be completely unreasonable, IMO. 2:2:12 is possible, but less likely than 3:3:12.

So, if we assume 3:3:12, then right now we're looking at:
2:2:6

1) Supposing we lynch Mitochondrial (arbitrary) today, two nightkills on townies would put us at 2:1:4 tomorrow. Lynch the other Mito tomorrow, we could feasibly be at 3:2. Silly to think you're still in LyLo if you lynch 4 out of 5 days correctly, but that'd be the case.
2) Supposing we lynch Mitochondrial today and 2 nighktills on townies, tomorrow is 2:1:4. If we lynch Geostigma tomorrow, two nighktills on townies could put us in a 1:1:2 prisoner's dilemma. Again, that's 4 out of 5 correct lynches and we'd be in a practially unwinnable situation.
2) Supposing we MISLYNCH today, two nighktills on townies would put us at 2:2:3 tomorrow -- also practically unwinnable.

Basically, we have ZERO margin for error in this game unless the scums crosskill. And even then, the scums could still very well win if we lynch correctly.

Now, if we lynch a scum, the last remaining member of that faction basically HAS to try to crosskill to survive. So that might give us a tiny bit of wiggle room. Just like I said back in SquareEnix 1, the last thing that any scumgroup should want to do is wind up in that Prisoner's Dilemma, where the game is a complete crapshoot. Because two townies died last night, the scums have little margin for error as well. If they continue killing off townies, they'll end up in a "who shoots whom" situation, and scums can't really have much control over that kind of scenario, because they cannot predict who the other team will shoot.

Bottom line: We need to try to lynch scum today.
If we lynch scum today, the last scumbag of that faction MUST try to crosskill to survive.
If we lynch town today, BOTH scumgroups should be trying to crosskill to avoid a 2:2:3 crapshoot.

[Glork]

Also, I'm wondering if we even had a cop at all. Chrono claimed the masons cleared Fate via investigation, but he was a mason all along.

Yeah, that's one thing I don't get at all. Honestly, as poorly as I've played, the masons didn't play very well either. Chrono claimed that a confirmed masonbuddy of his investigated another confirmed masonbuddy of his as innocent, which makes ZERO sense.

As soon as I pointed out the obvious Fate/Chrono connection and voted Chrono, Reck joined me, and

FATE JUMPED THE WAGON ONTO HIS OWN MASONBUDDY

. Seriously,

who the fuck DOES that

?


What would REALLY piss me off is if I were about Chrono lying about his masonry. I obviously entertained the idea, as shown in the first two paragraphs of this post, but I couldn't bring myself to believe that "confirmed masons" would investigate each other, or that they would VOTE EACH OTHER.

Fate (since I know you're reading this from the green room)... you want to know why I thought you/Chrono were scum? Because you were fucking PLAYING LIKE IT, doing retarded shit that NO COMPETENT MASONS SHOULD EVER DO.



Rant off.

[Glork]

So, Reck, do you think there was a cop in the masongroup? Because I'm kind of starting to doubt it. The worst thing we could have is a scum popping in and fakeclaiming to be the MasonCop, and the only remaining member of the masonry.


That said, if last night QuadzScum

did

think that he would be investigated with Chrono revealing the result, then OF COURSE he would want to kill off Chrono. Quadz is definitely the play today, but I want

EVERYONE

to pop in and weigh in on a bunch of matters:

QUESTIONS THAT EVERYONE NEEDS TO PROVIDE INPUT ON:

1) What do you think of the masonry? Is there a Mason Cop out there? Could there be additional masons out there?
2) What do you think of Quadz? Specifically,

WHY

do you think he is town or scum?
3) What do you think of the numbers game? Are we at 2:2:6? 3:3:4? 1:1:8? Why do you think we have the current setup, and what do you think we need to do to bring home the victory?
4) Who are your top suspects at this exact moment? Which scumgroup do you think those players are in? Why do you suspect those players?

[Glork]

As to this question: "What does this say to you, if not 'Glork is playing shitty but fine, I'll take your word that he's not scum.'" Nowhere in there does Fate imply he thinks you're any less scummy than you were. In fact, he continues to say that what you were doing was "not fuckin' right." What it says to me is "I think Glork is scummy, but nobody else agrees, and I've had experience with lurkerscum before, so inHim seems to be a good vote, too."

Of course, Fate would have put in more CAPS LAWKE and cuss words, but you get my drift.

Context is important here. Fate had just finished making a very focused case on me, in which he said something like "This is fucking happening." He had his sights set very squarely on me. Reck came in and made one very simple statment: "Glork isn't scum," and Fate went "fffiiiiiiiine." I don't think Fate thought I was less

scummy

, but he definitely fell into line behind Reck, who asserted that I am not

scum

. Being scummy and being scum are EXTREMELY different things. In fact, it's exactly why most mislynches happen.

Third: How was I "licking your nuts," exactly? By saying you've been playing pro-town? My bad. Perhaps the rest of my post (inspired by this last post of yours) will put your mind at ease.

This post = sheepy sheep sheep into a fencsitting position. It's scumtasterrific.

The 2nd part is just a strange response. Why didn't you just tell him that we didn't know Fate was a mason, and therefore could not have guessed he was the supposed cop? His flip doesn't matter either way in this circumstance. Not scummy in and of itself, but it feels like his reasoning is off, and he's stretching for answers.

Huh? Vezo was all "GLORK KILLED FATE B/C FATE WAS A MASON COP." My response was a combination of "No, Fate took Reck's word that I'm probably not scum" and "he wasn't a mason cop anyway, he was a Mason Juggernaut."
I'm not going to lie and say that I didn't know Fate was a mason, because that was a possibility in the very back of my mind. (Like I said, I posted about that already, and just linked to that post a few minutes ago.) But in no way did I think that Fate was a cop. If Glorkscum were trying to kill a Cop, he would most certainly NOT have gone shot Fate.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

QUESTIONS THAT EVERYONE NEEDS TO PROVIDE INPUT ON:

1) What do you think of the masonry? Is there a Mason Cop out there? Could there be additional masons out there?

What do I think about their play you mean? Well it honestly could have gone better, but he same can be said of me too(Need to learn how many games I can handle at one time .-.)

AS for the other two questions, somethings telling me to doubt it, if only because even if there is, their doing better then the other two at keeping secret. So I really don't see the need to discuss the possibility of one. Sounds to much like that bad word we all love to hate 'rolefishing'.

2) What do you think of Quadz? Specifically,

WHY

do you think he is town or scum?

Well I certainly don't think him town, and reck(to me anyways) has brought up good points against him.

3) What do you think of the numbers game? Are we at 2:2:6? 3:3:4? 1:1:8? Why do you think we have the current setup, and what do you think we need to do to bring home the victory?

Tbqh, I believe we are in either a 2:2:14 set-up or 2:3:13. With 18 players, 3 vs 3 scum teams sounds ridiculously overpowered, expecially when you add in the Executioner to the mix.

4) Who are your top suspects at this exact moment? Which scumgroup do you think those players are in? Why do you suspect those players?

Quadz and Bill. I think quads belongs in the Mito group, whilist Bill is Geostigma.

[xRECKONERx]

1) What do you think of the masonry? Is there a Mason Cop out there? Could there be additional masons out there?
- Probably not a mason cop, but maybe another mason.

2) What do you think of Quadz? Specifically, WHY do you think he is town or scum?
- Already addressed this.

3) What do you think of the numbers game? Are we at 2:2:6? 3:3:4? 1:1:8? Why do you think we have the current setup, and what do you think we need to do to bring home the victory?
- After seeing your numbers, I think there's a SERIOUS fucking balance problem if we lynch correctly everyday and yet are still stuck in LyLo.

4) Who are your top suspects at this exact moment? Which scumgroup do you think those players are in? Why do you suspect those players?
- At this point, I dislike damn near everybody in this game except for you, Glork.

HEY MOD. CAN WE GET SOME FUCKING PRODS? BECAUSE IF YOU ASK ME, IT SEEMS LIKE BV310, KDUB, AND ZAZIER AREN'T EVEN PLAYING THIS FUCKING GAME.

[Glork]

Actually, something just occurred to me that I forgot about.
Vezo could uberblock everyone. With Fate's flip, I think it's pretty safe to say that he vigged Nero (?!?). So if we lynch scum today, and Vezo is able to massblock, we could actually go into tomorrow with 2:1:6, which would be much more bearable.
Still, we CANNOT control who the scums kill, only point out when they have to croskill to survive. Right now we have to focus entirely on lynching scums, and evidence points to Quadz trying to save his own ass.



I'm starting to get some of my swagger back. Looking back at some shit (mainly the whole Fate/Chrono thing), I feel like I'm not playing as poorly as I initially thought. Yeah, I was wrong on Devo. But I knew that something was wrong about Chrono/Fate, and as it turns out Chrono was probably lying out his ass about having a Mason Cop. I was right on JP, but never got a chance to jump that wagon because it ended via inHim. I was right about inHim, too, but never got to jump that wagon b/c I was out of the house and it ended very suddenly. Now that the Fate/Chrono issue is behind me, I think I've got a much clearer head and can probably kick this game's ass from here on out.

And yeah, we need some fucking modprods on bitches and hos. I believe Bill, Zazie, KDub, and BV have yet to post today. KDub is the least scummy of the four, IMO, but I could definitely see any of the other three being poopy dumbdumb lurkerscums.

[Glork]

Bill, Zazie, Quadz, and either Prana or BV.

Those are probably your four remaining scums. If Quadz flips scum, I will consider the outside possibilty that Reck is scum. Midnight seems ok enough, KDub is kind of a wild card. I don't strongly dislike any of his posts, but he has been REALLY quiet, which brings me back to SquareEnix 1 and makes me worry a bit.


KDub, if you're town, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE contriute more. I want to know who you think the scummmsssss are.

[Glork]

EBWOP: Sorry, if Quadz flips

TOWN

, I will consider the outside possibilty that Reck is scum. For fuck's sake, I need to start proofreading my posts.

[xRECKONERx]

BITCHES NEED TO SHOW UP

[Midnight's Sorrow]

yeah...but it hasn't even been a RL day yet.

Patience is a virtue always worth having...

[quadz08]

1) What do you think of the masonry? Is there a Mason Cop out there? Could there be additional masons out there?

I think it's possible there's at least one additional mason. Chrono used plural pronouns once or twice in the QT to refer to the other masons. I highly doubt there's a mason cop, as stated earlier. However, because Chrono was designated "Mason Leader" (ironic, no?) it seems strange that the 3rd mason would just be a plain mason.

2) What do you think of Quadz? Specifically, WHY do you think he is town or scum?

Uhhhhh... I think I'm town, cause my role says so? lol

3) What do you think of the numbers game? Are we at 2:2:6? 3:3:4? 1:1:8? Why do you think we have the current setup, and what do you think we need to do to bring home the victory?

I think 2:2:6 seems most likely. Your analysis of the possibilities seems sound to me. From what I've worked out in my head, the best chance for us to win requires cross-killing. Like you said, even if we lynch right, if both scumgroups hit townies we'll go down to 2:1:4, then either 2:2 or 1:1:2 (which is a scum win, or prisoner's dilemma). Of course, we have a little bit of extra time because of the mass RB possibility, but essentially the argument remains the same. Basically, we need to lynch scum today, and even that won't really be enough. We'll need some help from the scum, most likely.

4) Who are your top suspects at this exact moment? Which scumgroup do you think those players are in? Why do you suspect those players?

I'm thinking bill and bv are the scummiest. They've made what amounts to no contribution to this game.

Zaz needs to come back and post like she did on D1; I thought she was town then, but now she's fallen off the map, and I don't know what to think. Has she been posting in her QT?

Bill has not been voting for a single lynch. BV was only on inHim. I don't know what to make of that just yet; food for thought, I suppose.

[PranaDevil]

1) What do you think of the masonry? Is there a Mason Cop out there? Could there be additional masons out there?

No idea about a cop, though it wouldn't shock me thus far being as we've had all Vanillas and town seems severely underpowered from where I'm sitting.

Thoughts on the masonry... they played fucking awful, Chrono especially, and I'm glad I wasn't with them as I'd be more pissed off than I currently am at Chrono fucking things up as much as he did for town.

To that end... is there more masons out there? Possibly, especially as already said Chrono was talking in plural for ages. No clue if they have a power or not, but if they do they would be overpowered (unless that was all of town's power, which I'm worrying about now)

2) What do you think of Quadz? Specifically,

WHY

do you think he is town or scum?

As I already said, this one just seems like gut, Reck's posting helps me confirm my gut feeling too though.

3) What do you think of the numbers game? Are we at 2:2:6? 3:3:4? 1:1:8? Why do you think we have the current setup, and what do you think we need to do to bring home the victory?

At worst it's 2:2:6, anything more than that is ridiculously overpowered and I wont consider it, it's possible it's less scum and more town, but I'd rather err on the side of caution and assume we're in potential LyLo as it might prevent fuck ups.

4) Who are your top suspects at this exact moment? Which scumgroup do you think those players are in? Why do you suspect those players?

Quadz as said above, I'd go with Bill too, and KDub rubs me up the wrong way and I have no clue why either. But that's on the back burner personally, Quadz is at the top for me now, and Bill just behind. I'm a little concerned Vezo could possibly be one of the scums, but that would make the ability even more overpowered, and unless the scums can only kill every other night or something it would make the ability pointless for scum.

[Kdub]

There is probably another mason out there, given Chrono's allusions to his "mason buddies" (e.g. 569). A 3-person mason group with a cop is powerful, but given vezo's roleblocking every other night and the possible lack of further town PRs, I think it's plausible. If there is a mason cop out there with some results on people, should we ask them to claim now? It prevents scum from counterclaiming in lylo, and if we can clear 2-3 people and we have effectively two lynches today, we would be in pretty good shape. Thoughts?

I still think bill is probably town. I didn't like the wagon that got built on him yesterday, and I still haven't seen anyone give a compelling reason why he is suspicious. Glork's play looks town as well. I don't really like vezo's posts, but I admit he's probably town because of his ability, and if he's lying, we will find out if we don't get a mass roleblock every other night.

Assuming 2:2:6 (most likely), I think there are 4 scum among quadz, Reck, Zazie, MS, bv, and Prana. Zazie and bv haven't posted enough for me to say much about them. I have no idea what Reck or MS's deal is this game. If either of them are scum, they are most likely on JP's team due to the timing of their entry on the inHim wagon. I didn't like Prana's quickhammer yesterday or the fact that he was on the bill wagon, but he's less suspicious than quadz at the moment.

[xRECKONERx]

Kdub, how about not just calling half the fucking playerlist potential scum and providing some evidence/cases?

K THANKS

[bill1148]

Me and bv very briefly touched upon quadz in our neighborhood last night. Unfortunately, I was unexpectedly absent for the last 2 days and as such we weren't able to go in-depth on him, but prior to that I did some heavy reading on quadz.

One thing I took note of was Nero's comment on the existence of an executioner, during Day 1 (post 139). And as everyone is aware, JP gets shanked pretty quickly and dies Day 2 via execution. I am willing to bet that Nero was night killed due to this. The connection from this to quadz is simple but a bit sketchy: he directly quotes Nero's post about executioner, though leaves out the executioner part (post 460), during the latter part of Day 2. If this fits, it'll fit with Glork's prior analysis that quadz is part of the team opposite of inHim's. Looking for any quadz connections, I'll agree with Glork again and say that Zaz seems to fit most.

I did in fact find quadz suspicious during most of Day 1 from a variety of vague statements/blind agreeances/etc but backed off due to Glork's :hestownguaranfuckinteit: crap. And his fence-sitting and not having done much as of late doesn't help, either.

I have no problem with jumping wagon this time.

vote quadz

[bill1148]

4) Who are your top suspects at this exact moment? Which scumgroup do you think those players are in? Why do you suspect those players?

I'm thinking

bill

and bv are the scummiest.

They've made what amounts to no contribution to this game.