[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

[animorpherv1]

What happens if one Rival is nightkileld before either gets lynvhed?

[jimfinn]

There are no nightkills, he said.

[animorpherv1]

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[Twomz]

I like it. I think it'd be better if the traitor was guaranteed though, cause then the GF has to worry which one it is, not just if there is one.

[mallowgeno]

New Idea:
Nightless Open Mafia:

Town

5 Vanilla Townies
2 Rivals (Must lynch the other, then win with town. Cannot win if the other is still alive.)

Mafia

1 Mafia Goon

1 Mafia Traitor (Cannot win if Mafia Godfather is still alive)

1 Mafia Godfather (Cannot win if he gets lynched)

Special Mechanics:
-Town MUST LYNCH
-During the night the mafia may talk however no night-kill will occur.

[mallowgeno]

I would like to nominate Nightless Open Mafia

[mallowgeno]

Nightless Open Mafia sample role PMs:

You are a

vanilla townie

. You may vote during the day and die. That's it.
Win Con:All mafia have been eliminated.

You and XXXXX have always been

rivals

at EVERYTHING. This has to end. During the day you may vote.
Win Con:All mafia have been eliminated AND your rival is dead.

You are a

mafia goon

. During the day you may vote and possibly get lynched. At night you may talk with your scum buddies XXXXX and XXXXX here. Your faction does not get a night kill.
Win Con:The members of the mafia equal half the remaining town.

You are a

mafia traitor

. You are a traitor because you don't like the head honcho anymore and you want to kill him to take his place. At night you may talk with your scum buddies XXXXX and XXXXX here. Your faction does not get a night kill.
Win Con:The members of the mafia equal half the remaining town and XXXXX is dead before you die and not alive at endgame.

You are the head honcho, the don, the

mafia godfather

. You know that someone is out to get you in your own group and you cannot let them kill you. At night you may talk with your scum buddies XXXXX and XXXXX here. Your faction does not get a night kill.
Win Con:The members of the mafia equal half the remaining town and you are either alive at endgame or the mafia traitor died before you.

The rival that dies first cannot win no matter what. However if the one that outlasts the other gets lynched after their rival was already lynched, they still win with the town.

The mafia traitor must be alive when the mafia godfather gets lynched in order to fill the first part of his/her win condition. If they die before the godfather does then they do not win with the mafia.

The godfather must outlive the traitor. He still wins if the traitor makes it to endgame.

[archaebob]

Evil Hospital Setup:

3 Serial Killers (acting independently, with individual compulsive NKs)

9 Doctors

What do you think?

[animorpherv1]

Not mafia, really.

[archaebob]

Yeah k whatever. It's still the same type of game.

[animorpherv1]

Um, no it's not. Mafia = informed Minority vs. Uninformed Majority.

Noone here is informed. It's a game of Serial Killer.

[archaebob]

Fine. It's not mafia.

It'd still be fun.

[mallowgeno]

I completely agree with Ani

[StrangerCoug]

You are a

mafia traitor

. You are a traitor because you don't like the head honcho anymore and you want to kill him to take his place. At night you may talk with your scum buddies XXXXX and XXXXX here. Your faction does not get a night kill.
Win Con:The members of the mafia equal half the remaining town and XXXXX is dead before you die and not alive at endgame.

Just so you know, you're combining the standard traitor with a usurper.

[mallowgeno]

I meant usurper then.

[mallowgeno]

Nightless Open Mafia sample role PMs:

You are a

vanilla townie

. You may vote during the day and die. That's it.
Win Con:All mafia have been eliminated.

You and XXXXX have always been

rivals

at EVERYTHING. This has to end. During the day you may vote.
Win Con:All mafia have been eliminated AND your rival is dead.

You are a

mafia goon

. During the day you may vote and possibly get lynched. At night you may talk with your scum buddies XXXXX and XXXXX here. Your faction does not get a night kill.
Win Con:The members of the mafia equal half the remaining town.

You are a

mafia usurper

. You are a traitor because you don't like the head honcho anymore and you want to kill him to take his place. At night you may talk with your scum buddies XXXXX and XXXXX here. Your faction does not get a night kill.
Win Con:The members of the mafia equal half the remaining town and XXXXX is dead before you die and not alive at endgame.

You are the head honcho, the don, the

mafia godfather

. You know that someone is out to get you in your own group and you cannot let them kill you. At night you may talk with your scum buddies XXXXX and XXXXX here. Your faction does not get a night kill.
Win Con:The members of the mafia equal half the remaining town and you are either alive at endgame or the mafia usurper died before you.

The rival that dies first cannot win no matter what. However if the one that outlasts the other gets lynched after their rival was already lynched, they still win with the town.

The mafia usurper must be alive when the mafia godfather gets lynched in order to fill the first part of his/her win condition. If they die before the godfather does then they do not win with the mafia.

The godfather must outlive the traitor. He still wins if the usurper makes it to endgame.

[Twomz]

So if GF and usurper live to endgame, GF wins and usurper loses.
If GF lives and usurper dies, GF wins and usurper loses.
If usurper lives and GF dies, usurper wins and GF loses.
If usurper dies, but GF died before he did, usurper wins and GF loses.
If usurper and GF die, but usurper dies first, GF wins with mafia and usurper loses.

Is that correct?

[mallowgeno]

Yes

[vezokpiraka]

I got an idea.
Hiding madness.

6 x Hiders
1 x Mafia double redirector


The mafia has no kill.
If hiders hide with mafia they die.
If a person hides with a person that dies they die too.
Everyone must hide.
The mafia can redirect two persons each night.


What do you think?
The redirector is there to prevent the I hide with ,you hide with and the person who gets killed hided with scum.
I think it''s a fun setup and the town not only has to lynch correctly but also has to find a strategic way to don't get killed in one night.
Should it be day start or night start?
Should it be a 9 person game with one more hider and one goon?

[drmyshottyizsik]

Ok sorry if I'm rude Vezo, but if one there's a 4% chance this game ends with a mafia win N-0
And if you add more hiders and a goon then what does the goon do?
Also the redirector, if he were smart would simply redirect two people to hide with himself, or if you block that, he would redirect them to hide with the same person, so you may end up with three dead townies every night, so after two mislynches(which is very likely with the setup) its a mafia night 2 win or night 1 win if you start N-0, and then the mafia only needs one mislynch.

[Mr. Flay]

Yeah, I don't see what the Hiders add to the game. They're unable to rely on their data due to the redirection, so even HypoHiding (is that a new word?) doesn't really gain you anything.

You're probably actually better off NOT hiding (thus preventing the Redirector from killing you) and playing the game like 1:7 Nightless Mountainous.

I see you've forbidden that, for obvious reasons.

What

do

you think the Town play should be here, vezok? It

has

to be Day Start, or you lose (at least) two players before they even do anything, and even still, they'll lose at least two players a Night, so they've got at most two chances to lynch right. How are you envisioning the Hiders approaching/using their information?

[drmyshottyizsik]

ok i have an idea though

1 gf
1 goon

1 sk

3 masons(one of them is the sk)
1 tracker
3 Vt's

[yabbaguy]

SK in a 9P = potential for Town to lose the majority in one cycle. Would not play.

[drmyshottyizsik]

ok then two role blocking mafia, no night kill for them, and sk is blockable

[vezokpiraka]

Well the town play should be lynching scum.
The scum play should be to just relax and redirect people.It makes up for funny nights.