A Clash of Kings - A Divided Kingdom

[RichardGHP]

Paraphrase.

[diddin]

hasdgfas: if you have any results from previous nights that might affect anything, you might want to out them now, since I doubt you will make it through the night. Plus if you have a result from N3, it nulls the option of Benmage having jailkept you that night.

[hasdgfas]

hasdgfas: if you have any results from previous nights that might affect anything, you might want to out them now, since I doubt you will make it through the night. Plus if you have a result from N3, it nulls the option of Benmage having jailkept you that night.

nah, if I die, they'll be obvious.

[Eddard Stark]

Hi. I'm back. Thanks SpyreX.

[RichardGHP]

Paraphrase.

[Unsight]

Hey, Unsight. You never answered this question:

Actually I did, in post 2182.

-You do realize I only unvoted Raivann after he'd been pushed to L-1 and claimed vig? Before that, I was the first on his mob, and pushed his lynch over CMAR's. I only voted Budja because, now that Raivann was off the table, I preferred his lynch to CMAR's.

Vig isn't a good claim to unvote for so that's a pretty worthless explanation. All the reasons you voted for Raivann suddenly disappeared after the claim? "Oh gosh he claimed vig, gotta unvote!!!" Yeah, not buying that explanation.

-You're the one clearing MoI merely because he put Mikujin in his Greyjoy suspect pool. I cleared Mikujin because he was the second vote on Raivann, and fervently pushed Raivann's lynch. I think there were very good reasons to think Mikujin wasn't a Greyjoy.

I'm not clearing MoI, I'm saying you're more likely to be our last scum based on play. Also, I think your reasons for Miku not being Greyjoy were shit... because he flipped Greyjoy.

-You realize that I was the

second vote on Macavitar

? And that I attacked MoI for trying to get someone other than Mac lynched? Just because I'm attacking MoI, doesn't mean I'm willing to vote him. (TBH, though, I've been tempted. Still think it's better to have Mac's alignment settled once and for all.)

Which means entirely nothing since you unvoted right after. Like I said, the last Greyjoy would still want Macavitar lynched, just not today. That fits in perfectly with your "I suspect him, <unvote>, MoI is scummy!" play so far.

Magna had already expressed a strong willingness to lynch you. He'd have probably pushed you as a Greyjoy suspect today had Mikujin not died. But furthermore, even if you think he wouldn't have distanced as scum, here's his final read on Mikujin:

Suspicion of Greyjoy (STRONG / MEDIUM / MINIMAL) - Minimal

That is interesting. ISO 61 puts Miku in the Greyjoy pool and then ISO 62 puts him as "Minimal." Gotta wonder what changed in there.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Back from V/LA and see not much has happened over the Holiday weekend –

So Magna, what do you think about Unsight's #2218? Do you agree with me that it's more likely to come from town or a Lannister than a Greyjoy? Also, what do you think about my point that Unsight's pushing CSL over Axelrod makes him a less likely Greyjoy?

Second thing first – regarding your point about Unsight pushing CSL I find it unconvincing. As I stated before you rely heavily on the premise that the Greyjoys have been masters of distancing themselves until it doesn’t suit your needs.

What alignment of player does 2218 come from?

I can see it coming from the last Lannister. Mac isn’t Greyjoy based on Cow’s results. Pushing hard for a mislynch on Mac would serve the Lannisters well as it pushes Town closer to Kingmaker.

I can see it coming from the last Greyjoy if they feel they can survive the presented 3 Day gauntlet.

I can see it coming from concerned Town wanting to avoid a mislynch that places Town closer to a loss.

I still think Unsight is scum and I don’t think it’s a Lannister (that’s you or diddin Mina). Thus I think he’s the last Greyjoy.

That is interesting. ISO 61 puts Miku in the Greyjoy pool and then ISO 62 puts him as "Minimal." Gotta wonder what changed in there.

Are you reading the thread at all? Did you not see that 61 was my VC analysis from Day 2 that established who I wanted to review and 62 is the post where I explain my Partnership review?

Do you think that throwing comments like this will move you down the Greyjoy suspicion ladder and make endgame easier for you?

And it's hard, because different people should be held to different standards. For example, I'd crucify Mac or MoI had one of them quickhammered a doctor, or tried to confirm themselves by this logic:

This is totally outside the scope of the game - This is a completely crappy attitude and the reason MS is rife with lurkers and players who play suboptimally on purpose. Holding players to different standards simply enables those who play poorly not to improve.

[Thor665]

I'm not becoming any smarter sitting around staring at this screen. Weren't we waiting for somebody to do something? I seem to recall that in a conversation somewhere. Somebody was supposed to be coming back with reads that would be brilliant and wonderful. Have we had those yet?

If so I'm game to hammer Mac - the target of a nightkill at least puts him as a likely 50/50 of being scum, and though I see possible town behind his claim it's difficult to buy he was the block on the night he targeted Has.

[diddin]

I would be ok with a hammer at this point but I want others to chime in before you (or someone) does the deed.

[CSL]

I'm ready to send this game to night.

[RichardGHP]

Nobody hammer yet. I want a paraphrase of Cow's PM.

[Thor665]

You're demanding a paraphrase of the mod cleared player's PM?

I'm hoping this makes more sense to me later then it does right now.

[RichardGHP]

...

I'm not questioning his clarity, or his claim. I just want a paraphrase.

Or Mina's blessing to hammer, whichever comes first.

[Thor665]

I understand what you're requesting and am not looking for clarification, yet.

I might demand it after Cow does the paraphrase.

[hasdgfas]

...

I'm not questioning his clarity, or his claim. I just want a paraphrase.

of my role PM?

[RichardGHP]

Yes.

[hasdgfas]

Yes.

I don't understand why, when I'm 100% mod-confirmed town and have told you what my role is.

[RichardGHP]

FFS, just do it.

[hasdgfas]

FFS, just do it.

I see zero town reason to unless you explain further.

[CSL]

Wow, Richard. Role-fish much?

[Thor665]

@CSL - role fishing a slot that has already role claimed?

[hasdgfas]

Wow, Richard.

Role-fish

much?

that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

[Thor665]

I think that's a pretty inconceivable conclusion at this point, has.

[RichardGHP]

Oh my God. It isn't rocket science, Cow.

[Macavitar]

Mod, please prod Mina.