Square Enix III: (Game over)

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Protip: Who said it did?

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Vote Count:

bill1148: 2

(bv310, Midnight's Sorrow)

bv310: 2

(KDub, Glork)

Not Voting:

bill1148

Lynch:

3 votes.

Deadline:

August 18th - 10:00 AM EST

[bv310]

Was that a hammer? If so, way to lose. Town should be praying that Bill/kdub crosskill, so you guys might at least squeak out a win.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

No...that was L-1...not the hammer...

[bv310]

Well then, 'twould appear that I'm now quite the fool.

[Glork]

Yeah, not buying it.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

My my, This certainly caught my eye in a re-read.

Glork. Explain to me why you arn't dead after D-3 interactions with Fate. Especially after he said quite cleary he was going to NK you, and his opinion of you hadn't changed at all that day.

If you callin' me scum now's the time to do it while

Glork's

still alive

(I'm NKing him tonight btw, his tunneling is going to make me slip sooner or later)

I"VE GOT NOTHIN TO HIDE BABY

He is a Juggernaut, which is basically a vig who can bypass role-blocks and doctor protects. He was clearly your target, there should be no question about that, as he quite clearly said he thought you scum. There also should be no question that he would not have gotten a kill in, just because he died. He would have, because even if you die, if you have a kill target, it goes down with them as well. So how'd you do it I wonder?

[Midnight's Sorrow]

^"He was clearly your target," should read "You were clearly his target"

...I need to get some sleep...>.>

[Glork]

My my, This certainly caught my eye in a re-read.

Glork. Explain to me why you arn't dead after D-3 interactions with Fate. Especially after he said quite cleary he was going to NK you, and his opinion of you hadn't changed at all that day.

If you callin' me scum now's the time to do it while

Glork's

still alive

(I'm NKing him tonight btw, his tunneling is going to make me slip sooner or later)

I"VE GOT NOTHIN TO HIDE BABY

He is a Juggernaut, which is basically a vig who can bypass role-blocks and doctor protects. He was clearly your target, there should be no question about that, as he quite clearly said he thought you scum. There also should be no question that he would not have gotten a kill in, just because he died. He would have, because even if you die, if you have a kill target, it goes down with them as well. So how'd you do it I wonder?

Because Reck convinced Fate that I'm protown, because Reck knows me infinitely better than Fate does.

We've been over this already, this discussion is old hat.

[Glork]

It's also worth noting that, according to the mafiascum wiki, a Juggernaut bypasses bulletproofness. The wiki ALSO states, and I quote "in some cases, the kill cannot be used on consecutive nights," and Fate killed during the global roleblock N2, so there's a good chance he wouldn't have been able to vig me anyway.

I know you're trying to angle a "Glork is a bulletproof Godfather" thing, and it's just not happening.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

[quote="Glork" The wiki ALSO states, and I quote

"in some cases, the kill cannot be used on consecutive nights,"

and Fate killed during the global roleblock N2, so there's a good chance he wouldn't have been able to vig me anyway.[/quote]

Too bad this only refers to the Strongman, which is a Mafia aligned role, and not the Juggernaut, which is basically a Town aligned vig. Nice try.

[qoute]I know you're trying to angle a "Glork is a bulletproof Godfather" thing, and it's just not happening.[/quote]

Godfathers are night kill immune period, it has nothing to do with being 'bullet-proof' Besides, scum would have something to balance being killed without mercy, and that is the Godfather. So yes sir, it's gonna happen, cause I still profess that the last Mito is a Godfather and not just a goon The geo scum should be looking to lynch this character, because if he can bypass a Juggernaut kill, then there is no hope of even trying to kill him in the night

[Kdub]

Godfathers are night kill immune period, it has nothing to do with being 'bullet-proof'

In a game with no day kills, what is the difference between "night kill immune period" and bulletproof? I don't see the distinction you are trying to make here. Also, if your speculation is true, don't you think Prana would have gotten suspicious of Glork and said something instead of calling him town in the neighborhood QT?

[Midnight's Sorrow]

Another interesting facet of GF, their often more then not also Investigation immune. Always getting innocent or no results.

SO, maybe he did get suspicious of him, and investigated him, but found nothing or found innocent? Who knows.

As for your first part...what do you consider the Executioner then?

[bill1148]

vote bv

[bill1148]

My my, This certainly caught my eye in a re-read.

Glork. Explain to me why you arn't dead after D-3 interactions with Fate. Especially after he said quite cleary he was going to NK you, and his opinion of you hadn't changed at all that day.

If you callin' me scum now's the time to do it while

Glork's

still alive

(I'm NKing him tonight btw, his tunneling is going to make me slip sooner or later)

I"VE GOT NOTHIN TO HIDE BABY

He is a Juggernaut, which is basically a vig who can bypass role-blocks and doctor protects. He was clearly your target, there should be no question about that, as he quite clearly said he thought you scum. There also should be no question that he would not have gotten a kill in, just because he died. He would have, because even if you die, if you have a kill target, it goes down with them as well. So how'd you do it I wonder?

That's bogus. Just because someone says it in the thread doesn't mean they'll actually do it. Besides, reading that comment gives me the inclination that Fate was "jokingly" saying that he was, in fact, scum and that he was going to kill Glork. Fate was desperately trying to hide his role (hence his voting for his own mason partner, Chrono), and he would not have just come out and expliciably said who he was going to off that night. It'd be too risky.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

nice hammer there tex

[Kdub]

As for your first part...what do you consider the Executioner then?

Fair point, I thought of executioner as more of a vote-manipulating role than a day vig role, but the wiki confirms that it doesn't work on bulletproof players. Everything else still stands.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

No it doesn't stand, Godfathers arn't bulletproof son. There are night kill immune. This doesn't mean they are 'bullet-proof'.

[Glork]

No it doesn't stand, Godfathers arn't bulletproof son. There are night kill immune. This doesn't mean they are 'bullet-proof'.

They are functionally the exact same thing. I can't believe you're trying to split hairs on which word choice the Wiki uses and which one you want to use.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

If they were 'bullet-proof' they would be unable to be killed in the dya. This defeats the purpose of them, as they are to gotten rid of during the day, while in the night they pass by scott free with out a worry in the world; as they role name sussgests.

Being bullet-proof means you are kill immune period. Godfathers are

night

kill immune. They are powerful in the night and powerless in the day.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

face palm...so much spell fail in that post...>.>

[Glork]

Godfathers

may be

night

kill immune.

If you're going to split hairs with words, I'm going to play the exact same game.

1) There's nothing that indicates that there's a Godfather on either side. Note that Jenova was the "Geostigma

LEADER

," not a GODFATHER.
2) Even if the last Mito were a "Godfather," there's nothing to point to them being NK-immune. There are no missing kills from either faction, aside from the Global-RB. There is ZERO in-game evidence to support the agenda you're trying to push. None whatsoever.

[Midnight's Sorrow]

lulz

I have no agenda to make with this, and I honestly don't really care about the 'ingame evidence' much anyways.

IF a GF is nk immune its just nk immune, its entirely able to be gotten rid of during the day phase.

[Glork]

So MS, at this point, who is the last scum?

[Midnight's Sorrow]

So Glork, what makes you think you got scum with this lynch?

[Glork]

You first, champ.