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Post Post #1475 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:19 am

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So what's wrong with lynching mothrax Nacho?

Stels' theory is that any given universe represented contains, if the number of characters from said universe >1, at least one scum member. Do you disagree with said theory?

Stels would like to lynch Sharkfinn, due to above theory, even offering a 1:1. However, on the chance that Sharkfinn is
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Post Post #1476 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:20 am

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EBWOP: Preserving *claimed* power roles.
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Post Post #1477 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:22 am

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I don't know your alignment.

You're going to shoot mothrax tomorrow if we leave him alive today. Why waste a lynch?
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Post Post #1478 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:33 am

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Have you checked the numbers?

We have 8 players. If Quadz was in fact Red scum (As Sharkfinn's result of Wario would suggest), that would be 4 Red scum dead, 3 blue dead. Yet we had 3 NKs. That would suggest Smash kill + NK from BOTH factions. Thus 5 scum per faction. That would be 1 Red + 2 Blue scum Left.

that's 3/8

According to above theory, mothrax has a >50% chance of scum.

If mothrax is red scum, we remove an NK tonight, if Blue, we even the numbers of scum. Smash + 1/2 NK(s) leaves us at either 1:1:2 (WCS), 2:3 (with blue scum only), or (if we're lucky i.e mothrax=blue + xkills) a win.

If he's town, I can shoot someone scummy tomorrow.

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Post Post #1479 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:34 am

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EBWOP: *Stels' theory* | would you *Lynch*
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Post Post #1480 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:35 am

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@Chronopie - Wondering why you are already voting for Mothrax?

You said in an earlier post he has to die by your hand either by lynching or a daykill. I would assume that means that you need to be the hammer. If you are already on the Mothrax wagon that means you will NOT be the hammer and it would not fulfill your condition?

Also if you do get credit for it even if you are NOT the hammer - I am wondering why you vigged Vezok instead of just hopping on his wagon? Since you could have vigged someone else as well as killed Vezok "by your hand" so it were, so you could have had 2 chances to get Metaknight on D3.

The above point along with you being against the nameclaim idea on D2 (when you say you needed to find metaknight) and the fact that you used your dayvig powers at the start of the day without waiting to see if metaknight showed up makes me wary of you.

However, I am willing to lynch Mothrax today - however, if he flips town and if I get the smashball tonight Bunny will be happy as he will get to live another day as I will be using it on you - makes no sense to have a person who can "become" town have to kill a townie to become town. If he flips scum though and the game isn't over Bunny will be getting smashed.

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Post Post #1481 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:36 am

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Also true ^^
Besides, the 1:1< is for people in the same universe.
People like Samus won't have a scum counter-part.

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Post Post #1482 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:37 am

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The true part was referring to Nacho's post.
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Post Post #1483 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:39 am

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This:
Tanstalas wrote:makes no sense to have a person who can "become" town have to kill a townie to become town.
It's not to prove I'm town, it's to prove that Shark is scum.
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Post Post #1484 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:42 am

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Stels wrote:This:
Tanstalas wrote:makes no sense to have a person who can "become" town have to kill a townie to become town.
It's not to prove I'm town, it's to prove that Shark is scum.
Confused... :?:

I was talking about Chrono saying that if he kills Mothrax(Metaknight) he becomes town (or rather "wins" with the town)

I don't like your idea Stels, I'll be perfectly honest. I think you are town, I also think Sharkfinn is town.
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Post Post #1485 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:45 am

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Stels wrote:
The scum's name is SharkFinn.
Hello.
You damn actor! You're good.
Thanks. I know how to play a good town, especially when I AM TOWN :P :D.
So, here's why:
In my previous QT N1-N4, we talked, he definitely seemed townie to me, just like to you. The thing is, he asked me about my role information, I gave it out to him, but he never told me his although we agreed to tell each other what it was before night ended.
A. I didnt get back in time to claim.
B. I had already softclaimed in the forum about both my role name and my alliance.
C. I planned to do it the next night, but turns out its a one night only.
Only after night ended, the mass-fullclaim idea went through and he claimed Ness! As you have seen in my post #1450, there is a pattern to the roles in this entire game. Some have pairs, some don't. What he claimed is proof of my theory. I am town, therefore he is scum. Ness is a part of my universe (Lucas's). My theory suggests that If there are 2 people of the same universe, one of them is scum if they both claimed town.
There is no role name cop. It doesn't exist. SharkFinn only claimed that since he gave us the red Bowser (Bussing?) and CSL today (Bussing?). He knew one of them since he is a part of either of their scumteam. Doesn't it seem unlikely that all the people he targetted were scum from both factions?
Your theory makes some sense but consider:
Falco was a false claim, not the real claim.
Jigglypuff was traitor, but Pokemon trainer and pikachu were both town. Additionally someone didnt claim Lucario, so that doesnt help the pair theory.


Besides, his claim came only after meeting me. Since he needed someone less noticeable as the bad guy, why not pick Ness? Something similar to my clone in Smash Bros.
Again I softclaimed before we talked. Read twilight before mongoose's lynch.
In fact, I'm actually willing to prove that SharkFinn is without a doubt, scum. Here's what I propose we do:
1) You guys lynch me (crazy idea). You get necessary evidence that I'm town, you smash SharkFinn, if he's the last scum, then we win, if not, 1 town NK only.
2) No-Lynch, avoid a mislynch. Smash Shark.
1. Stupid idea, your town and Im town
2. Bad idea also.
No quote's since I'm not sure if I can quote something from my QT or if I can find anything in his posts that looks like scum-scum talk since he's a good talker.
Good luck with that. Im town.
PREVIEW: Haha, see? Already town-voted me, nice. Sorry Shark, but there's no role name cop. Our REAL cop already died.
Yea yea real cop died, blah blah. Im role name cop. It only works on 4 people in this game basically. There are scummier people than me.

Stels: am I traitor or villain?
If I'm traitor, then:
A. How could I risk lynching a villain unless there's a role cop on my team. Considering the size of this game, it'd have to be me.
B. Why would I smash my teammate in manho? Bad bussing???

If I'm villain, then
A. Why would I bus my teammate when the talk was away from him?
B. Why would I smashkill the other mafia?
C. Why would I then bus my teammate again to another lynch? Double bus much?

Me being Traitor is killing off a teammate in the name of clearing myself.
Me being Villain is me leading the way to a village win by raping both mafia teams.

I dont see it, still see you as town.
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Post Post #1486 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:46 am

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Chronopie wrote:Have you checked the numbers?

We have 8 players. If Quadz was in fact Red scum (As Sharkfinn's result of Wario would suggest), that would be 4 Red scum dead, 3 blue dead. Yet we had 3 NKs. That would suggest Smash kill + NK from BOTH factions. Thus 5 scum per faction. That would be 1 Red + 2 Blue scum Left.

that's 3/8

According to above theory, mothrax has a >50% chance of scum.

If mothrax is red scum, we remove an NK tonight, if Blue, we even the numbers of scum. Smash + 1/2 NK(s) leaves us at either 1:1:2 (WCS), 2:3 (with blue scum only), or (if we're lucky i.e mothrax=blue + xkills) a win.

If he's town, I can shoot someone scummy tomorrow.

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Who would you kill?
What if Wario is blue or town though...I mean metaknight was town. King Dedede is a more obv villain pick than Wario. It could easily be 1:1:Village
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Post Post #1487 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:49 am

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Bunny is town or a mafia ninja (which I doubt) since he targeted no one last night. If he is scum that is just horrible luck.

Quadz was obviously town at this point unless this is 5 scum per team (doubt it again). Or other bastard modding (again, doubt it).

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He is most confirmed town we got. Remaining scum are 1 mafia janitor and 1 mafia ???
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Post Post #1488 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:52 am

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@Tantalas: Nope, I don't need to hammer, just be on the wagon.

The sooner He dies (by my hand), the less I have to worry about not winning with everyone else.

And it's not 'become' town, it IS town. w/ an extra W/C.

Why not Vig Vezo/Reck? It doesn't change the fact that I can still vig X and lynchwagon Y. (X and Y are interchangable)

And I already explained my shot, I had a 'Metaknight' read on Palmer. And I still hit scum.

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What? Metaknight hasn't flipped town yet.

And why does it only work on 4 people?

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So bunny went nowhere, I'm guessing Shark got a real/claimed name?
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Post Post #1489 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:52 am

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Shark, results.
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Post Post #1490 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 11:58 am

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O right.

Bunnylover is/are the Ice Climbers. Confirms the claim. He isnt villian mafia.
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Post Post #1491 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 12:07 pm

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Double bus? It's very likely. I've seen that before from Fate's meta (although you're not him).
Why would you smashkill the other mafia? Pretty damn OBVIOUS. You can't win if the scum team is still alive.
No one claimed Lucario to help the theory? Obviously, since they don't want to be seen as scum when they noticed the pairings. There might not even be a pokemon scum, despite my theory, there could be DDD like kirby said.
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Post Post #1492 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:01 pm

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lol sorry for my absence, on Sunday's I have Pokemon League ;D.
Town Vote:Bunnylover

Stels your universe theory seems good, but in the case of Ness v.s. Lucas, I would side with Lucas been a traitor mafia since he was added into the Brawl game much later then Ness, but I honestly believe both of you are town.
Shark just confirmed me as Ice Climbers, Furry tracked me but found nothing because I am a Vanilla townie meaning no power to use.
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Post Post #1493 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:12 pm

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Furry wrote:
He is most confirmed town we got. Remaining scum are 1 mafia janitor and 1 mafia ???
Hey... what happened to me? You targeted me N4 :P
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Post Post #1494 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:15 pm

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In all honesty, I targetted Pikachu, which was the stupidest thing I ever did. Targetting a CONFIRMED doctor, instead of someone else. I targetted him because:
1. mothrax: MetaKnight (VT/Lynchee) (Another target by Chronopie, might as well not bother)
2. Pikachu: Mario (Doctor)
6. MehPlusRawr: Capt. Falcon (VT)
13. Kirbyoshi:Pokemon Trainer (Mason w/ Fate/nacho) (UNTARGETTABLE)
14. Nachomamma8: Pikachu (Mason w/ Fate/Kirby) (UNTARGETTABLE)
18. Bunnylover: Ice Climbers (VT) <- Smashee (said chronopie, so I didn't take my chances)
20. Furry: Sonic (Tracker) <-- Tracker, basically a role info, scum won't want that
21. Chronopie: Snake (Odd Day Vig/Lyncher) <--- Chances that scum don't want a day vig
22. tanstalas: Zelda/Shiek (Commuter/Rolegiver to Link) <--- Likes to hide
25. SharkFinn: Ness (Role Name Cop) <--- SCUM

Pretty much left me with MPR and Pikachu. I knew that Pikachu was a bad choice, but I went with it because I missed MPR, since he's pro at stealth and not the talkative type in this game.
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Post Post #1495 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:37 pm

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Stels wrote:Double bus? It's very likely. I've seen that before from Fate's meta (although you're not him).
Why would you smashkill the other mafia? Pretty damn OBVIOUS. You can't win if the scum team is still alive.
No one claimed Lucario to help the theory? Obviously, since they don't want to be seen as scum when they noticed the pairings. There might not even be a pokemon scum, despite my theory, there could be DDD like kirby said.
Sigh... It may be my lack of actual experience and my persuasion skills, but to me, you are scum and I will try my best to destroy you, Mafia Watcher.
Mafia Watcher?

Unless your think im with blue, then I cant be mafia watcher. Unless you think 2 watchers on one team.

I admire your confidence but yea, not buying it.
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Post Post #1496 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:42 pm

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Bunnylover wrote:Stels your universe theory seems good, but in the case of Ness v.s. Lucas,
I would side with Lucas been a traitor mafia
since he was added into the Brawl game much later then Ness, but I honestly believe both of you are town.
Wait, wait, wait. I'm on the traitor side? Lynch me, prove my theory and who I think is 100% scum. I may not be the missing info role, but doesn't being on the traitor mafia side already make me suspicious, although I'm just going to spew some dirt onto that right now. TIME DIFFERENCE MAKES NO DAMN SENSE. YOU TURNED TRAITOR BECAUSE YOU WERE PUT LATER INTO THE GAME? WHAT NONSENSE. IF IT WAS LIKE THAT, THEN THE WHOLE POKEMON UNIVERSE WOULD GO TRAITOR AGAINST EVERYONE. Time has nothing to do with anything in this game.

Preview: I forgot to look at the people who are already dead. You're the Traitor Mafia Watcher (King Dedede).
SharkFinn wrote:Stels: am I traitor or villain?
If I'm traitor, then:
A. How could I risk lynching a villain unless there's a role cop on my team. Considering the size of this game, it'd have to be me.
B. Why would I smash my teammate in manho? Bad bussing???
@A: You're a watcher, you looked at his actions, they matched up to the kills by the Villain mafia.
@B: Awesome Bussing. Look, everyone's convinced you're town.
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Post Post #1497 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:45 pm

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BTW Shark, I think you forgot to un-town vote me. Why would you keep and waste it on someone who wants to kill you? Trying to get even more confirmation? Trying to pity me?
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Post Post #1498 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:46 pm

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At this point, I think a mafia ninja is impossible unless we have 5 scum on each team, or the red team has all powerroles and the blue team doesn't.

I wouldn't be surprised if Shark was scum, considering he rolecopped the person Furry said he was probably going to smash.
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Post Post #1499 (ISO) » Sun Sep 19, 2010 1:48 pm

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Okay, I GTG sleep, but before I go.

@Everyone (Except Shark): What will it take you guys to reconsider and believe that Shark is scum?
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