SWN III: Dreamland Castle Is Under Siege (Halted, mod error)

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[Katsuki]

ALL I SEE IS FLUFF

AND NOT A SINGLE REASON AS TO WHY I AM SCUM.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Do we have much to go on? No.

And what you are asking in a simplified manner is, Why are you and others voting for me and Ani, but not CSL?

In other words, because someone else did it too, that makes it less scummy that you did it?

Secondly, that above statement is /still/ telling me that either you want people to stop voting you/ani OR to start voting/FoSing CSL. Either way, I have serious doubts that your message in that comment was really to tell us that our accusations are inconsistant. At the very least, it's not your only motive.

Also,

you asked Spyrex /what his read on CSL/ was

. That falls outside the realm of "your accusations are unfair" and into the realm of "Let's take a closer look at CSL".

Finally, as to why I have voted for you over CSL, since that seems to be what you are asking... I felt at the time your actions were a little more suspicious than CSL's. And now, even more so because of these above stated reasons.

Does this count?

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

Framm 18 (4): AGar, DemonHybrid, bv310, drmyshottyizsik
Katsuki (4): Lady Lambdadelta, CSL, SpyreX, Parama
Lady Lambdadelta (4): Me=Weird, Katsuki, Mafuyu, dramonic
Not voting (6): smargaret, manho, pacman281292, Maemuki, Framm 18, xRECKONERx

With

18

players alive, it takes

10

votes to lynch.

DEADLINE IS THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 30, 2010 AT 7:00 PM MDT.

I will prod bv310 and I think replace manho after I do what my dad wants me to do.

[smargaret]

Dang. There have been a lot of prods/replacements/whatnot.

Parama, you do realize that I will never, ever, EVER believe you to be town again, right? However, I agree with you that Mafuyu is being scummy as heck. Okay, your vote is based on a gut read. Why not just say that? Why do the whole "denied" song and dance when someone asks why you voted for animorpherv/me? Also, you jumped right on the LLD wagon without a word of justification, and then started telling people to get on it with you - some reasoning would be nice, especially if the wagon had gone all the way. We'd need that reasoning to scumhunt Day 2. Speaking of scumhunting, Mafuyu's done remarkably little of it. The only scumhunting she has done has been to accuse Parama and Framm of being scum based on their PRs. Can we please do something to get rid of her?

Other than a lack of content, I'm not seeing the logic behind the Katsuki wagon. Would someone summarize it or point me to the key posts please?

EBWOP: Ninja'd. But I still don't see how that makes Katsuki a better lynch choice than Mafuyu.

I would like to see Framm investigated, but not lynched. There are definitely some scummy things in his posts, but not enough for me to vote, not over Mafuyu.

I believe LLD's claim, though not necessarily her alignment. However, we can force her actions, so we don't need to lynch her today.

I think that's all the major wagons? I'll go through everyone else in detail as I have time. If there's any preference for order, let me know.

VOTE: Mafuyu

[StrangerCoug]

I've prodded bv310. manho needs a manual check—the prodding application incorrectly shows him as never having posted and ISO'ing him doesn't work.

Edit:

He posted here yesterday morning.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Dang. There have been a lot of prods/replacements/whatnot.

Parama, you do realize that I will never, ever, EVER believe you to be town again, right? However, I agree with you that Mafuyu is being scummy as heck. Okay, your vote is based on a gut read. Why not just say that? Why do the whole "denied" song and dance when someone asks why you voted for animorpherv/me? Also, you jumped right on the LLD wagon without a word of justification, and then started telling people to get on it with you - some reasoning would be nice, especially if the wagon had gone all the way. We'd need that reasoning to scumhunt Day 2. Speaking of scumhunting, Mafuyu's done remarkably little of it. The only scumhunting she has done has been to accuse Parama and Framm of being scum based on their PRs. Can we please do something to get rid of her?

Other than a lack of content, I'm not seeing the logic behind the Katsuki wagon. Would someone summarize it or point me to the key posts please?

EBWOP: Ninja'd. But I still don't see how that makes Katsuki a better lynch choice than Mafuyu.

I would like to see Framm investigated, but not lynched. There are definitely some scummy things in his posts, but not enough for me to vote, not over Mafuyu.

I believe LLD's claim, though not necessarily her alignment. However, we can force her actions, so we don't need to lynch her today.

I think that's all the major wagons? I'll go through everyone else in detail as I have time. If there's any preference for order, let me know.

VOTE: Mafuyu

You clearly aren't paying attention.

Parama has been AGAINST my lynch, and has wanted Mafuyu lynched for quite a while.

To say he "jumped on my wagon", is either a gross reading error (the probability of which is so small that it is almost negligible), or you are trying to put something on Parama, that isn't there (maybe you're seeing things based on a past game, using meta)?

[smargaret]

It is indeed a reading error (or rather, a writing error, since it was my fault). I'm referring to Mafuyu in the first paragraph, for everything but the first sentence.

[Mafuyu]

It's not the only one either. You're misinterpreting/misrepresenting Mafuyu as well. Calling people scum because of PR? You're reading only on the surface, and not even correctly at that. Mafuyu's mention of Framm and his end of post nonsense wasn't in direct reference to his PR. During that stage of posting, he was tacking things on along with or meshed in his PR that seemed like patchwork. It wasn't the PR but rather what he said, how he phrased it, and why he would bother doing so.

[smargaret]

Mafuyu thinks that you are pushing awfully hard without attempting to actually smear her. You just keep....inquiring opinions of others, without making a direct attack. Mafuyu isn't sure what your game is, or why.

That's how you're using Parama's post restriction to make him look scummy.

As for Framm, I'm not going to go all the way back and find the initial post unless you really want me to, but the last statement of almost all of his posts has been something fulfilling his PR without any game-related content. And that's precisely what you're objecting to. Could he find a better way of meeting the restriction? Yes. Is his way of meeting it scummy? No.

[Parama]

Mafuyu, you realize that I CANNOT make statements, right?

[bv310]

Didn't think I was warranting a prod yet, but I read the last couple pages. I believe LLD's claim, for the record. It seems like just enough of a bastard mod move for how this game is building up to be.

Anyway, this post bothers me

Spoiler: The Post That Bothers Me

AGar, do you know how ridiculously Mod-WIFOM that is?
Did you know that Mod-WIFOM is second only to meta in terms of fail ways to scumhunt?
Lady, do you know that *technically* you just claimed 3rd party?
Do you guys realize that we can guide LL's kills even if she ISN'T town?
Now can we please lynch Mafuyu?

Despite the fact that I agree that Mafuyu needs a good length of rope, the rest of this post seems horribly overreactive. Especially the first two lines. To me, it reads like scum trying to earn townie points. If this were early game, I'd be throwing my vote down here. As it stands now, I'll be taking a very hard look at Parama after we get some flips.

Anyway, as it stands now, I think that Mafuyu is the place where my vote needs to go and stay. For the same reasons as I stated before, I'd like to

Unvote, Vote: Mafuyu

[SpyreX]

I swear to everything holy there is going to be a bloodbath the size of the universe if Kat flips scum.

YO RECK I AM HAVING SECOND THOUGHTS ABOUT MAF BEING A POTENTIAL VIG'D HALP

[xRECKONERx]

WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO WITH MAF INSTEAD

[SpyreX]

I'm not sure. The "go for it" really threw me for a loop and I can't decide if thats scum machismo or town not fighting the fire.

[xRECKONERx]

Outside of the "go for it", what are you thinking? Why are you thinking it?

[SpyreX]

Thats the big one. Its just one of those swings that caught my eye.

That and HOW HARD IT IS TO WAGON KAT and watching the maf wagon growing gives me those itchies.

[Katsuki]

Maybe I'm hard to wagon because you're wagoning the wrong person...

[AGar]

My vote goes to whichever wagon woos me with riches and sex.

I'm not all that sold on either.

[Parama]

bv, how is having a perpetual dislike for mod-WIFOM overreaction?
Why are you so incredibly vague in your accusations?

[bv310]

It's not the dislike of Mod-WIFOM (which, btw, doesn't actually apply here, but that's beside the point). It's the way you present it. It reads, at least to me, like scum seeing the opportunity to exploit a weak point in what was otherwise a throwaway post, in order to try and stir up further suspicion and create a new target for a wagon. This leads me to the conclusion that, if you're scum, one of the primary wagons right now is on one of your scumbuddies.

[Parama]

Who is this new target?
Do you think I was attacking AGar or merely disagreeing with him?

[bv310]

I think what you posted was an attack, veiled as a disagreement.

[Parama]

Do you know how much you're stretching with that accusation?

[xRECKONERx]

Why is it every time I look at this game, I get overwhelmed with "I DON'T WANNA READ" syndrome now?

Let's just end D1 so I can get more into this game.