Not yet.xvart wrote:Chrono - did you claim your dream job?
xvart.
But seeing as everything else is out there...
Not yet.xvart wrote:Chrono - did you claim your dream job?
xvart.
ITT ReaperCharlie is satisfied with the percentage of tongue-in-cheek.Chronopie wrote:But..seeing as everything else is out there.
Carla, Prostitute (roleblocker), and the ambition is to become a Hollywood star.
NICE BACKTRACK.Andrius wrote:Its WIFOM. If I'm targeting town, they won't need to roleblock me, as I won't pull a guilty.Yosarian2 wrote:That's fine, but you probably shouldn't talk about who you're going to target if the scum have a roleblocker.Andrius wrote: So I'm looking at: Yosarin2/ReaperCharlie/Chronopie tonight.
But if I name some scumbags, I'll be blocked and therein have some info.
And RC, I'm just spouting WIFOM. lol
That dosn't really make sense. If he's a cop that can only find cult recruits, which is what he claimed, then he should be looking to investigate people he thinks are scum now; finding out that someone is "confirmed not recruited" isn't really all that useful in a cult game where they might just get recruited later. He should also be looking to clear town power roles so we can use their information.Lord Gurgi wrote:Slightly tipsy.
I guess I think that a town cop would investigate you, Yos.
I don't get it. How?The truth is that Andrius is not acting in a very pro-town manner, and it really shouldn't reflect on you, but in my mind it does.
Yosarian2 wrote:I get that people like Reaper have been pushing the "Yos is good so the scum might have recruited him" theory, but that kind of WIFOM is a pretty weak and unconvincing attack, especially in a game with so many claimed power roles, and no one's made any any other case against me, so I don't get why you're so suspicious of me that you actually think it's suspicious of people who haven't ever been suspicious of me to not investigate me instead of someone more likely to be scum. It's kind of a bizarre chain of logic. Is this just the standard "it's day 3 so it's time to start getting paranoid about Yos" paranoia or something?
Again, if you'd been attacking me on day 2, I would be much less confused by this.
Day 1, still August 31st:ReaperCharlie wrote:Yes, but this WIFOMsandwich isn't actually as bad as it sounds. In fact, despite the WIFOM in it, it's actually a pretty sound assumption for a number of reasons. I present to the court Defense Exhibit "G"...Andrius wrote:WIFOM.Friend wrote: So I was thinking, if there was N0 recruiting, is it too WIFOM-y to suggest that scum would recruit a better/more well-known player like Yos2 or LG or Prozac?
In Wisborg Asylum, SpyreX and Merkabah (Amished/VP Baltar hydra) were recruited Night 1. That doesn't sound like a shabby choice to me. In my past games, I've often seen recruiting of the 'best' or 'strongest' players in the game as a common night 1 tactic, and though it's WIFOM, it's still an awesome idea, for multiple reasons:
-They're less likely to say something to get themselves lynched.
-They're much more likely to be able to weasel out of lynch wagons.
-Having them on your side to help hunt down the other scum is WIN.
And there are many more reasons.
That ends my little spiel on game theory; eventually I might actually re-read the topic (darn you guys for making it grow so fast!) and get back with something actually USEFUL.
Maybe.
Don't count on it.
Day 1, still August 31st:ReaperCharlie wrote:Yeah, yeah, "vengeance", "watch your back Reaper", blah blah blah, I've heard it all beforeAndrius wrote:RC, watch your back. I told you that I'd come into our next game together with a vengeance.
Why not? By what I've just shown, that you said you AGREED WITH, I showed that the likelihood that they are scum is GREATER than the likelihood that others are scum, due to the likelihood that they'd been RECRUITED is higher.Andrius wrote:I agree with the WIFOM, but I'm not about to advocate the lynchings of Yosarin2, Gurgi, Faraday, etc. just because they're good players, whatnot.
Does this make sense? Confirm or deny.
Day 1, September 1st:ReaperCharlie wrote:Oh really. And how the heck are you gonna tell the difference, pray tell? Look at you, trying to 'lead the town' with useless wisdom that can only come from a pretty silver fountain of BULL@#$&. There is no way to tell, you're just trying to look good and be 'pro-town' so that you can survive the day without suspicion.Yosarian2 wrote:1. As has already been establish, town shouldn't even be looking for recruits right now, town should be trying to find the recruiters.
No thank you. After reading that post, I'll bet my bottom dollar that you are scum.
Well, not just because of that post. Because of a plethora of other things as well.
And oh, lookee here, I'm gonna put my money where my mouth is.
Aim: Yosarian2
Day 1, September 2nd:ReaperCharlie wrote:Hmmm... I make one post about Friend saying he's town, and one post about Yos2 saying he's scum, and I all of a sudden warrant a post from ooba saying how I'm cheerleading the fight between them?
Interesting.
And he mentions itthreetimes in his post, lists me at the top of his suspects list, and voted me.
Day 1, September 5th:ReaperCharlie wrote:How do you know I'm town? Are you that sure? Haven't you read others posts about me?Andrius wrote:ReaperCharlie - Town. D'oh. Isn't ominous or trying to further any sort of agenda at all. Not even trying to lynch scum. He is town though.
Not trying to further an agenda? I'm trying to get Yos2 lynched, which is apparently wildly unpopular, because of "oooh, Reaper's argument is WIFOM". Also, I'm pondering starting a bloody alliance. If that's not trying to further an agenda then I don't know what is. And how is NOT trying to lynch scum a town tell? Are you sure your read on me isn't backwards?
[/throwing a wrench into Andrius' sanity]
And then you say:Really??Andrius wrote:Yosarian2 - Same as Lord Gurgi.
Really.
Out of all anyone's said in the last 25 pages, the only thing you have to say about him is a non-commital half-sheep of what I said about ANOTHER PLAYER? (that being 20 pages ago??). It's almost like you're TRYING to give worthless reads, and hinge half of your reads off of something somebody else says, so as not to take any responsibility for your own reads on scummy people.
*sniff sniff*
Andrius stinks of the scum, gents. He's not even trying to hide it any more.
Aim: Andrius
Day 1, September 8th:ReaperCharlie wrote:Public scumlist that I'm pretty sure will get lynched soon enough: Andrius, dramonic
Super-secret scumlist that I wish people would lynch if I get NK'd: Yos2, ooba, Faraday
Day 1, September 9th:ReaperCharlie wrote:Boo. More dram wagon needed. You guys are gonna hate yourselves when he flips scum eventually. And he will.
Yos is also scum.
Chronopie is just stupid town.
Furcolow has a communication disability.
Day 1, September 10th:ReaperCharlie wrote:Actually I could go for a nice ooba/Faraday/Yos2 lynch as well. They all give me the willies.
Day 2, September 17th:ReaperCharlie wrote:Lord Gurgi wrote:Yos, whom youdo not lynch day one.And may I ask why not?Lord Gurgi wrote:youdon't lynch Yos day one.
If there was night 0 recruiting (such as seems to be popular consensus), then pure and simple logic would dictate that scum with any brains at all would want to grab him, a renowned mafiascum player, to be part of their faction ASAP, would it not?Yes/No
And that by result means that there is a greater chance that he's scum than anyone else, right?Yes/No
And that's not even COUNTING the probability that he might be the original scum recruiter. So... remind me again why we do not lynch Yos day one? Is hereallythat indispensable to the town? I haven't seen anything very impressive thus far from either him or you. In fact, you seem to be on a lot of people's scum lists, yourself...
And really, now that I look back at it, your entire post that I'm replying to, looks like you're just trying your best to win townie points.
And I'll go ahead and up this to: How many people believe that by NightReaperCharlie wrote:How many people believe that by Night 1, when there have been 4 chances to recruit Yos2, that he hasn't been recruited by now? Anyone?
Day 2, September 17th:
Day 2, October 2nd:Lord Gurgi wrote:Regarding the Yos thing: RC has been pushing this wagon too hard and too long without any analysis of play. It would be interesting if he were a recruiter and chose to push this wagon early in the hopes that the other team would recruit him. I just think he's scummy and prefers to lynch someone based on their reputation rather than his play. I'm up to lynch him.
Day 2, October 4th:ReaperCharlie wrote:I don't like how everyone assumes Yos is town.
Just sayin'
Day 3, October 8th:ReaperCharlie wrote:Thanks for (finally) posting, Faraday.
I agree with you about Yos2, I disagree with you about me, obv. lol
Yeah, we are f***ed if we don't hit recruiters, obv.
And I would totally go for an ooba/Yos2 wagon over you. Chronopie too, probably. But there just isn't much support.
Anyway, deadline is coming up... sooo.....
Day 3, October 8th:ReaperCharlie wrote:This post rubs me the wrong way. TOTALLY rubs me the wrong way.Andrius wrote:Unless they recruited YOU.Chronopie wrote:But why roleblock a roleblocker (i.e me) that had declared that they were going to RB either M=W or xvart?
Possible to allow a kill through from declared target?
So we can probably assume that the scum have successfully recruited one or more roleblockers already.
It would totally make sense to recruit Andrius, and with 2 cults x 2 nights since his claim so far, that's 4 chances to recruit him.
I'm pretty dang sure he'd have been (andhasbeen) recruited by now. Same with Yos2.
And the fact that Andrius hasn't revealed his results yet is shifty too.
Day 3, October 8th:ReaperCharlie wrote:Dam# it. Now I'm totally torn between ooba, Yos2, Andy.
I am NOT down for a Robo wagon one bit.
The lynch target today should be NOBODY other than ooba, Yos2, or Andy.
When it comes down to it, probably Yos2 or Andy.
Day 3, October 11th:ReaperCharlie wrote:Noooooo. You're not listening. I don't think ooba was recruited last night. I was voting him yesterday too. I think he's been scum for most of the whole time, if not THE whole time. For some reason in the back of my mind. Maybe it's cause of Star Wars mafia, but I can't help remembering that ooba is VERY good at using situational things to fool everyone. Go ISO him in Star Wars mafia and tell me if you can find his breadcrumbing of his fake claim. VERY effective. Could be the exact thing going on here.xvart wrote:Ohhhh. This actually makes more sense then what I was saying yesterday about Me=Weird being the recruiter, coupled with what Reaper said about Seraphim's feelings towards cults.Erg0, 1785 wrote:Also, and this is going to sound really tinfoil-hatted, but is it possible that the whole Seraphim-replacing-out thing happened because he got recruited by vezok N0?
Aim: Robo
Why would a cult recruit ooba last night? He has used up his loose canon ability (at least as he has described it), so he would only be an additional body. Why are we now killing recruits instead of the recruiter? This seems a 180 from the previous two days.ReaperCharlie, 1804 wrote:Dam# it. Now I'm totally torn between ooba, Yos2, Andy.
I am NOT down for a Robo wagon one bit.
The lynch target today should be NOBODY other than ooba, Yos2, or Andy.
When it comes down to it, probably Yos2 or Andy.
xvart.
And (call me paranoid), but it's entirely possible that the loose cannon thing was entirely by accident. In Werewolf Wisborg Asylum (Andrius and whoever else was in that game can back me up), Spyrex (who was a VT, but had been recruited) pulled COMPLETELY OUT OF HIS @$$ a fake claim (which he hadn't originally been given) of "Priest", which ENDED UP BEING A ROLE IN THE GAME. Not just breadcrumbing either. He flat out claimed it. When he was killed and flipped cult, I went under the assumption that he was originally a Priest but had been bitten by the werewolves. I about sh*t a brick when I found out that he was originally a VT and had completely fabricated the claim. It even fooled the ACTUAL Priest.
But yeah, I would still rather lynch ooba/yos/andrius than Robo. Andrius because he would now be a scum power role, Yos because Yos as scum is impossible to win against if you leave him alive, and ooba for the above.
I'm not AGAINST lynching Robo, because what you say above (especially based on what I said earlier about Seraphim hating cults and hating vezok) toooootally makes sense. But I still want to lynch the other three first.
(which makes me wonder, why did I discount Yos as possibly being a recruiter?? ....no idea!! probably because I'm so bent on the fact that he's probably been recruited, so I keep forgetting that he might have just been scum from the beginning!)ReaperCharlie wrote:Huh?Chronopie wrote:What's your Secondary wincon Robo?
All I hear is: (whispered) "Yosarian2 wrote:Hmmm. Well, if both Andreus and Robo are telling the truth, then Reaper is almost certanly town; he was invetsigated town night zero, and he was protected from being recruited that night as well; the only time he could have been recruited is if scum recruited him later, which I doubt, because scum would probably be recruiting power roles later.buddy buddy buddy buddy buddy".
Once we find the recruiterS, I swear Yos, you're going down so hard you'll think it's Christmas for skydivers.
Day 3, October 11th:ReaperCharlie wrote:Andrius wrote:I club Gurgi with a blackjack. Ransack the room, see that he's still fending for himself(like RC and me, aka town).Andrius wrote:I feel like RC is trying to get me to investigate Yos. Hrm... I thinkif RC is scum, Yos is town. Or that's epic bussing.DOES NOT COMPUTE
FATAL SYSTEM ERROR
Hello, Yos2's scumbuddy.
...I think that's about it. So as you can see, a healthy smattering of suspicion all through Days 1 and 2 as well.ReaperCharlie wrote:In other news, I am baffled why Andrius hasn't at least attempted to investigate Yos2 since the start of the game, even with the near 100% probability that he's been recruited by now.
I think it's rather convenient that all of your investigations keep ending up 'town' so far. Or else they're so nebulous (again, maybe this is Flay) that you can't even tell the alignment?
I highly doubt that Andrius is still town, yet obviously he's not a recruiter.
Day 2, September 23rd:ReaperCharlie wrote:Enough of this foolishness. Let's try lynching scum, shall we?
If you're having trouble figuring out why ooba is scum, read his post again.
a) Town-ooba never makes cases this thin or terrible (for why it's terrible, see my reply below).
b) Look how wrong he is about me, zwet,ANDFurcolow. Town ooba is never this wrong.
c) Andrius got no-result on him. i.e. he's one of the don's sons with investigation immunity.
d) If you need more proof... well... you might be his scumbuddy.
Pay attention to the emphasis below. Red is what I've just added, bold is for emphasis in what I am referring to in my post below ooba's.
And here is my rebuttal in post again.ooba wrote:- I really do not understand Porochaz's insistence on Friend scum
- Faraday's really buddying up to friend - beyond the call of duty of a townie who even has a certain read - Could be recruit buddying up to somebody else to paint him as CL but I'll still put Faraday under townie though ..
- Friend's WIFOM about recruiting is bad town play
- Andruis you have to post more or take more stances before I can slot you on the list. I'm confused about furclow because like Yos it started with a town read then went to "Oh is he scum?" when he started saying he was lying and stuff .. HP mafia still plays on my mind though ..
- @animorph actually appears useful this game. I'll need to read a scum game of his.
- @Vezo, whats up with the ultra dram defense? And you never answered my question about "one of the brothers or scum" bit ..
- @TL, if you think "I think M=W is scum if you're town or vice versa", why would you vote anyone but one of those?
- Yos's list basically attacks everyone I think is town (except furclow). Zwet's "Why did Yos put me under town?" might be opportunistic considering that people were going on the experienced people getting recruited bit.
- I believe Friend vs Yos is town on town andRC is cheerleading the fight.
- Andruis is town for not fueling the fight. zwet chooses a different corner. 515 also reinforces my vibe thatRC is cheerleading a Town-Town fight. (Well from his PoV if there are two scum teams, I guess he's cheerleading a non-his-team-member x2 fight)
- 554 Furclow votes for one person out of Yos-Friend while he feels the "other is squirming as scum"
Hence to summarize - I believe Yos vs Friend is town on town andscum from both teams are spurring it on. That'd be
-RC(proven town by investigation)
- Zwet(proven town by flip)
- Furclow(proven town by flip)
Unvote. Vote: RC
Now.ReaperCharlie wrote:Hmmm... I make one post about Friend saying he's town, and one post about Yos2 saying he's scum, and I all of a sudden warrant a post from ooba saying how I'm cheerleading the fight between them?
Interesting.
And he mentions itthreetimes in his post, lists me at the top of his suspects list, and voted me.(now bolded in ooba's post above)
Even more interesting.
I also think it's awesome that you found yourself agreeing with Faraday the most, even though all Faraday had said of any value at that point was this:ooba wrote:I find myself agreeing with Faraday the most in this game - Regarding RC, let him post some more and I'll give you a definite read on him.Faraday wrote:Sera - I don't see anything anti-town about Vezo's play thus far. What do you mean? I don't think outing his info was a bad thing, it's always good to be sure when cult mechanics are in play.Faraday wrote:Seraphim's town but not because he's replacing out.
Furclow's an idiot but I'm leaning town.But... at the time he voted me, the only posts I had made were these.Faraday wrote:Aim: Reapercharliehe's scum.
ReaperCharlie wrote:ReaperCharlie wrote:Now this I can sheep.ooba wrote:Aim: Lord Gurgi
General vibe of not wanting to step on anyone's toes and draw attention to himself.
And Lord Gurgi's (suspiciously quick) rebuttal does little to still my emotion, or to stay my hand.
Aim: Lord GurgiSo, in essence, you (ooba) agreed with his (Faraday's) non-existent case the most out of any that existed at the time, and now you're grasping at straws for a reason to vote for me, even after Faraday unvoted?ReaperCharlie wrote:How convenient then, that you were there just in time to perform some neat and tidy damage control, before others got there to read it without your rebuttal there first.
Hmm.
(and if you want even more WIFOM, ... YOU were the one whose vote I sheeped the first time, which may have been why he considered me scummy in the first place...)
...
Please explain to me how your "case" and/or your vote makes any sense.
Just type the words "Aim: ooba" and we can all be happy.
Day 3, October 14th:ReaperCharlie wrote:1. ooba is acting shifty/scummy
2. ooba is playing like he plays as scum (check out his meta if you don't agree with me)
3. ooba has a 'no-result' cop investigation on him last night
4. ooba is letting others argue about him without defending himself too much, hoping the heat will die down without him having to say much (and possibly slip up). exactly what a godfather/recruiter would do.
and if you're still not convinced:
5. the ooba wagon is juicy and delicious.
6. you must obey.
Since this is already hecka long, you can also ISO me and read my last few ooba-related posts. There are good points in there that ooba hasn't answered yet. Try posts: #1932, #1962, #1965, #1968, #1972. Not as awesome or well put together as the big post above, but hey, they're also important.ReaperCharlie wrote:...Yos I think should be considered scum by anyone and everyone. Possibly a recruiter but I'm not sure. I have this SUPER OMINOUS feeling about ooba or otherwise my vote would probably be on Yos2. Some of it has to do with ooba not including HIMSELF on the "possible recruiters" list, the rest can be summed up in my post #1815, for the most part.
ReaperCharlie wrote:You should all be on the ooba wagon (which is actually a stretch limo).
....you do realize that that my post was directed at gurgi, right? I thought Gurgi's post was odd, considering that Gurgi didn't suspect me on day 2. Of course I know you did, you don't have to quote half the game to show that.ReaperCharlie wrote:Yosarian2 wrote:I get that people like Reaper have been pushing the "Yos is good so the scum might have recruited him" theory, but that kind of WIFOM is a pretty weak and unconvincing attack, especially in a game with so many claimed power roles, and no one's made any any other case against me, so I don't get why you're so suspicious of me that you actually think it's suspicious of people who haven't ever been suspicious of me to not investigate me instead of someone more likely to be scum. It's kind of a bizarre chain of logic. Is this just the standard "it's day 3 so it's time to start getting paranoid about Yos" paranoia or something?
Again, if you'd been attacking me on day 2, I would be much less confused by this.
This is such a scummy example of a false dilemma. Why would you assume that either me or gurgi is scum here in the first place? What makes you think that there is exactly one and only one person in the conversation between me and gurgi who has a "town point of view"?inHimshallibe wrote:vote: Yosarian2
Lord Gurgi's side is the town PoV in this most recent conversation between the two. I really think Yos is the recruiter.
Please do. You're actually fairly high on my rapidly narrowing suspect list for likely recruiters at the moment, mostly because of the way you've stayed in the background for most of the game.I'll post over the weekend with substance
If, like I seem to remember OOBA postulated, the scum start with a godfather (recruiter), and a loose cannon (goon), it makes perfect sense.singersigner wrote:So Reaper, you're saying you think Ooba is actually a recruiter, and not just recruited? How do you explain his role claim and the fact that he could call out TheLonging's role without any information from him?
Sadly (for my ego ), Yos is right. Still, I AM looking forward to your "substance" post, inHim.Yosarian2 wrote:This is such a scummy example of a false dilemma. Why would you assume that either me or gurgi is scum here in the first place? What makes you think that there is exactly one and only one person in the conversation between me and gurgi who has a "town point of view"inHimshallibe wrote:vote: Yosarian2
Lord Gurgi's side is the town PoV in this most recent conversation between the two. I really think Yos is the recruiter. I'll post over the weekend with substance, but I wanted this to soak in for a bit.
Do you know why we got the flavor post prior to today starting? Did you claim your target?Chronopie, 2025 wrote:Not yet.
But seeing as everything else is out there...
Carla, Prostitute (roleblocker), and the ambition is to become a Hollywood star.
Maybe these post will help...xvart wrote:Do you know why we got the flavor post prior to today starting? Did you claim your target?Chronopie, 2025 wrote:Not yet.
But seeing as everything else is out there...
Carla, Prostitute (roleblocker), and the ambition is to become a Hollywood star.
xvart.
Chronopie wrote:This.ReaperCharlie wrote:Something about this post, I hate. Terribadly.Me=Weird wrote:You should hammer. Hopefully D3 will be better. Anyway, not liking chrono to much after skimming his ISO, but there are bigger fish to fry.
M=W-Recruiter saying "Keeping a wagon option on Chrono open, but I'm going to use tonight to see if he can work for us, or if he needs to die." /hypothetical
Chronopie wrote:w/e.Erg0 wrote:Just realised what's wrong with this: shouldn't youChronopie wrote:{If you have a NA, don't bother targeting anyone tonight.}wantme to target someone with a night action so that I can back up your much-vaunted softclaim?
It won't work if you do.
Although I might just block M=W instead, given his last post was terribad.
Mr. Flay wrote:
Chronopie wrote:Okay...
I got counter-roleblocked.
But I was going to block M=W anyway.
Have you evenYosarian2 wrote:I still think the ooba lynch dosn't make any sense.
-.-xvart wrote:So I apologize if I have forgotten something, but we don't know who the other RBer is, correct? Wouldn't it be pertinent to ask Chrono to claim last nights target because they had a lesbian whore fest together? If Chrono claims his target we'll know the other RBer, and unless we believe there is more than two RBers in this game we will know that at least one of those two have been recruited. That might help us determine who the recruiter is once we can question both RBers, right?
xvart.
It's by a PM. It "won't be connected to me," but since the claim, you guys will know it is.xvart wrote:All skepticism aside about Flay being so conspicuously unclear in the role pm, how about you find out and get back to us?singersigner, 1998 wrote:I'm honestly not sure. I would assume I could say something like "double-aim." Or just PM him myself...?
xvart.
Yeah. I still think that the most likely possibility,by far, is that ooba the loose cannon that he says he is.ReaperCharlie wrote:Have you evenYosarian2 wrote:I still think the ooba lynch dosn't make any sense.readmy posts, Yos2?
Apparently not close enough. I'm losing track of all the PRs and their nightly business. But, I'm not sure I buy the whole RB of Me=Weird. It just seems a little convenient that you RBed a dead scum. I just don't understand why there would be a big flavor post about a RBer being RBed, unless they targeted each other. I'm guessing you are trying to throw off the other RBer and your faction will NK him/her tonight. Who were your other RB attempts N0 and N1?Chronopie, 2044 wrote:Have you paid attention?
I claimed Target. M=W. The dead Goon.
I Was Roleblockedresulting in Lesbian whore fest.
xvart wrote:Apparently not close enough. I'm losing track of all the PRs and their nightly business. But, I'm not sure I buy the whole RB of Me=Weird. It just seems a little convenient that you RBed a dead scum. I just don't understand why there would be a big flavor post about a RBer being RBed, unless they targeted each other. I'm guessing you are trying to throw off the other RBer and your faction will NK him/her tonight. Who were your other RB attempts N0 and N1?Chronopie, 2044 wrote:Have you paid attention?
I claimed Target. M=W. The dead Goon.
I Was Roleblockedresulting in Lesbian whore fest.
xvart.
<.<Chronopie wrote:Well so far just Yos2 and Xvart. in that order.Faraday wrote:Nice lolsoftclaim that might possibly work that might not depending on everyone else.