Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[AurorusVox]

RC THO. FURC MAY BE TOWN NOW, BUT HE IS (WJR MADE GOOD CASE) GOING MURDERER. WHAT SAY YOU TO THAT? ROPE NOW OR LATER? HOW LATER IS LATER? WHAT DO WE DO MR. TOWN?!

Does this mean you think that Furc Stalked N0?

YO AV WHY AM I "SCUMMY"? YOU MENTION ME ONCE AND THEN DONT EVEN FOS/VOTE ME WHATEVS. I CALL SHENANIGANS.

I generally don't like FoSing, and I (mistakenly >_>") felt MoI was scummier so he got my vote. Maintaining an RV despite having a FoS this late into the game is what made me suspicious of you. It was a scummy action and I still don't know why you've not voted for Bowser. It doesn't look like he's provided much more content since you posted, especially considering that you didn't engage with him in this latest post at all except indirectly through me :\

[ReaperCharlie]

MEANING....

Andy is likely cult.

Oh yes. The rope.

*rummages in backpack*

[Baby Spice]

I was responding both to her concerns and to her confusion between "Investigator" (which is a role) and "Town" (which is a choice of alignment).

Damn, I knew I'd seen someone say that. It sort of explains what I was trying to say about Benmage. Investigator (Role) but not town (Alignment).

AV, are you, and others, voting me over a confusion in terminology that I have already addressed?

An investigator is not necessarily a townie, though I did equate the two myself early on and I think people still are.

Case in point, the summary for SA II lists someone as a murderer even though they only had the one kill, and listed someone else as town who also had one kill.

[SpyreX]

OHH HELLS NO

Lets go down that list, for real (pro points for not putting me on there bazing).

MoI - scummy (since changed)
Furc - town
Fate - town
Benmage - scummy
Lost Butterfly - scummy
Totallynotmafia - town
Bowser - scummy? (asked for clarification)
Hito - town (the murder comment was a joke, wasn't that obvious?)
Andrius - scummy

1.) Scummy, yea. Again this is on the back of "others pointed it out"
2.) Town AFTER Percy. With the preface of "Ohh man I WIFOMED MY WIFOM"
3.) You DO say, without an amazing amount of equivocation, that Fate is town. You then proceed to want him shot in the face. Bravo!
4.) You say you think Ben is lying but want him to take the shot.
5.) You say you like Lost Butterfly's early posts (3 of them) but think they're scum for a laundry list of reasons. Why in the hell do you mention the first three posts if this is the dealio?
6.) This one is cut and dry.
7.) Yea, you did. In the "ohh is this metaaaa?" sense.
8.) Yea, totally a joke. Not like you pulled that exact same song and dance about fur, rite?
9.) Hell no you didn't say "scummy". You said "I don't like" that's one of those quantifications that are so awesome.

This also begs if you're gonna show me all your fatreads why didn't you mention: Me, Furpants, Reaper.

MOST of what I said in my first post leant him being town/murderer, because they're the same thing at this point. There are no murderers, there are only townies - who MAY become murderers. And there was one offhand comment about him potentially being cult. Since then that's settled onto Town, and I've been very vocal about it. I didn't realise that reads had to be concrete from the very start, Mr. SpyreX, sir.

Ohh HELLS NO.

See, this is the crux of it. Stalking N0? That's not town. It flat out isn't. This isn't a matter of debate. If there's 5 deaths tonight are you gonna go "OHH SNAP EVERYONE KILLIN PEOPLE COME FORWARD FOR YOUR CONFIRMED TOWN HATS!" No.

Because they wont. Because they're trying to kill people. In the bad way.

Um. You think it's suspect that I didn't vote. You think it's suspect that I didn't vote for Benmage. What would have solved both of those problems? Why, by golly, voting Benmage.

:headdesk: :headdesk:

No. Its REAL suspect when you go "Fate's town. Benmage is scummy. Yea, go ahead and kill him Ben so you can be AWESOME TOWND".

Yea, if you had went "Benmage is scummy, Vote:" We wouldn't be having this talk but in that world made of cheese and flowers you'd be town sooo.

Herpaderpa, THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT. I've been saying that I *do* want the kill to be attempted, to get a CLEAR TOWNIE. Is that not worth not lynching someone today?

AND ITS NOT A CLEAR TOWNIE AND KILLING SOMEONE YOU THINK IS TOWN ISNT USEFUL OR GOOD IN ANY FASHION MY GODDDD

Unless, REALLY, you're trying to straightface go "Ohh, Ben? The n0 stalker that took suicidial? Said he was going to kill regardless of the overall wishes? No way he'd kill again!"

Luckily, Fate claims to have gone for the Occult Book, and I'm under the impression that THAT is the strategy that we're going to use (i.e. Benmage WON'T kill OR get lynched because we can clear him ANOTHER way).

If Benmage says he is going to kill Fate tonight, would you try to have him lynched instead?

AND RIGHT ABOVE THE FIRST POST THAT STARTED THIS BEN VERY CLEARLY SAID HE THINKS FATE IS LYING AND (THUS) IS GOING TO SHOOT.

Yes GOD I SAID THAT EXACTLY WHAAAAAAAA

:explode:

Ok, deep breaths.

This is the dealio and maybe someone else can look at this rosetta stone straight faced and go "ohh yea makes total sense bro"

1.) AV thinks Ben is scummy.
2.) AV thinks Fur is town.
3.) AV thinks Fate is town.

-) AV thinks Fur (note, not Ben who claimed the Stalk) is setting up to be a murderer.
-) AV thinks Ben (note, the guy who is scummy) should kill Fate (note, the guy who is town) to prove his town powers.

I need this thought process explained to me in such a way that isn't ACTUALLY "Well, lets be sure to put some pressure on the 'confirmed' but back off when it wont and let Ben do some dirty work for us before he gets lynched for said dirty work"

[Benmage]

Unvote vote baby spice

[ReaperCharlie]

^lol Benmage

[Baby Spice]

Once again, Furc is in the right but still posts too damn much about it.

I go to the super ice cream fun store. Twenty seven flavors of ice cream! Yum. I decide that I want the Double Chocolate Hyperbanana ice cream - it's my favorite - and I tell the ice cream man at the counter such. However, woe is me, that is not actually a flavor of ice cream at the store! They used to have it, but they decided to add in some SuperStrawberry and you can't get the regular stuff anymore. So technically I've ordered nonexistant ice cream. But guess what? There is NO other ice cream in the store with EITHER Double Chococlate OR Hyperbanana. Double Chocolate Hyperbanana did used to be a flavor, too. So it's a technical error, because I should have looked at the menu and ordered Double Chocolate Hyperbanana SuperStrawberry, but there's

no ambiguity

, is there?

That's what I thought. Now unvote Furc and play the damn game.

'Hey we don't have that flavour, do you mean Double Chocolate Hyperbanana SuperStrawberry instead' would be what would generally happen in most ice cream stores.

Also in the sign up thread I'm pretty sure it was stated DGB wasn't in the hydra too, so it's not like hydra+1

I was just about to go looking for that Hito quote.

Hito, your little whatever is flawed. What if I'm allergic to strawberry? What happens if they give it to me without asking?

As Lost Butterfly says, they would ask if I minded the change.

"I want to target Drippereth" and "I want to target the hydra that contains Drippereth" are different things, just like your ice creams are different things.

Here's what I think happened.

Furcolow pops into the scum chat lateish and gets handed a craft fetish list.

Makes his prepared fake claim against one of his fetish targets, and immediatly gets pulled up (incorrectly) on his noise report, panics and starts flailing. Scrambling to cover aparent his mistake.

Still flailing

Lets look at this, since Furcolow has specifically stated that Percy responded to a Furcolow PM, a proovable lie.

11:56, Furcolow ward/noise claims.
12:04 hito calls Furcolow a lier saying that Furc must have heard noise if he warded.
12:05 Furc flail post. "also, i'd like to add, where I didn't hear noise and I warded, this needs to be rectified somehow... makes no sense."
12:05 Furc flail post. "that's not a lie. things offset wards, as in other wards. are you dumb?"
12:06 Furc flail post. " "Your action will fail if someone targets you with Ward. " "
12:06 Percy's correction of Hear noise, which includes an answer to Lady Butterfly.

There is absolutely no time available for Furc to have ask the question that he claims that Percy responded (#167) to as there are only 180 seconds total available for a Furc PM, Percy to analyse the problem and respond with the corection, especially if we add in the Lady Butterfly answer as well, and there is no question in his posts before Percy's answer (Except the abusive one to another player) It is not possible.

I should take a breather, and collect myself. Should. I'm not going to. You know why? Because it would not fit my town meta.

I don't have to try to play my town meta

You don't have to play to your town meta but you are? I don't understand.

Furc still hasn't answered this.


But tl/dr Furc lied, prooven. If he's lied about that then his story about targeting doesn't hold water either. Add that he is faking his town meta and there can be no other answer. He's scum.

[Baby Spice]

*ebwop. That should be Perc responded to a Furcolow question, not PM. I just assume it was a pm because it wasn't in the thread.

[Fate]

Andrius using caps without real anger is like a god damn speech impediment.

On behalf of our sexy history together I request you to stop this nonesense.

You were in that caveat because of your earlier post: "FATE MAY BE SCUMZ, I DUNNO N I DUN WANNA FIND OUT" was a stance of the minority of the town took.

[AurorusVox]

3.) You DO say, without an amazing amount of equivocation, that Fate is town. You then proceed to want him shot in the face. Bravo!

Actually, I had formulated a plan for keeping him alive via resuscitation whilst still testing the validity of the kill even in the event of scumFate. AFAIK Fate would still receive the death PM and then the "revival" PM and so we could test the stalk claim AND keep Fate alive; if he's town, he tells the truth, and if he's scum and says he received no PM, we can test Benmage for blood. Did you skim over that bit?

4.) You say you think Ben is lying but want him to take the shot.

Since him taking the shot would prove whether he is lying or not. The shot tests the lie tests the man. It's kind of essential :\

5.) You say you like Lost Butterfly's early posts (3 of them) but think they're scum for a laundry list of reasons. Why in the hell do you mention the first three posts if this is the dealio?

Someone said it looked like I was buddying LB. I was saying that I did like his earlier posts, which might make it look like sucking up. But that changed.

9.) Hell no you didn't say "scummy". You said "I don't like" that's one of those quantifications that are so awesome.

Why would I notlike it if I found it townie? I forgot I had to spell everything out.

This also begs if you're gonna show me all your fatreads why didn't you mention: Me, Furpants, Reaper.

Whoops.
You = town
Furpants = unsure; his vote on you is odd but I liked his first posts
Reaper = got townier as the game progressed

See, this is the crux of it. Stalking N0? That's not town. It flat out isn't. This isn't a matter of debate. If there's 5 deaths tonight are you gonna go "OHH SNAP EVERYONE KILLIN PEOPLE COME FORWARD FOR YOUR CONFIRMED TOWN HATS!" No.

Because they wont. Because they're trying to kill people. In the bad way.

This last line made me chuckle.

Anyway; you're right of course. Stalking only indicates investigator N0 which is not the same as town at endgame, but stalking is an action that is available to all people who are currently of town persuasion, i.e. they both indicate "not cult". You can take it further and say that they're both uninformed minorities, out there on their own. They would both react in similar ways.

:headdesk: :headdesk:

No. Its REAL suspect when you go "Fate's town. Benmage is scummy. Yea, go ahead and kill him Ben so you can be AWESOME TOWND".

Due to the presence of Res. Kits, Ben shooting Fate =/= Ben killing Fate. I've addressed this point already.

Yea, if you had went "Benmage is scummy, Vote:" We wouldn't be having this talk but in that world made of cheese and flowers you'd be town sooo. [...] AND ITS NOT A CLEAR TOWNIE AND KILLING SOMEONE YOU THINK IS TOWN ISNT USEFUL OR GOOD IN ANY FASHION MY GODDDD
Unless, REALLY, you're trying to straightface go "Ohh, Ben? The n0 stalker that took suicidial? Said he was going to kill regardless of the overall wishes? No way he'd kill again!"

Voting for Benmage today is depriving town of the potential for a confirmed "not-cult", which I think is not in the town's best interests (I've modified from confirmed-townie to not-cult as I think that makes more sense). There are multiple scum, and we can leave lynching Benmage until later. Since he has outed himself as potential murder suspect, we can watch him very closely; we can prevent his first kill on Fate, which means he'd have to make it to N6 to even turn into a murderer, and N8 to get his winning kill. We could even save lynching him as late as D8 before he gets that chance, and have a confirmed "not-cult" for that length of time. See, I

have

put thought into this, I'm not just saying LOLOL DONT LYNCH BEN HE SCUM LOL.

AND RIGHT ABOVE THE FIRST POST THAT STARTED THIS BEN VERY CLEARLY SAID HE THINKS FATE IS LYING AND (THUS) IS GOING TO SHOOT.

Yes GOD I SAID THAT EXACTLY WHAAAAAAAA

:explode:

Ok, deep breaths.

Well, we probably have more than one Res. Kit and we can prevent the kill even if he tries. vOv

So, why do you want to lynch the person who can confirm that they are not affiliated with the cult?

This is the dealio and maybe someone else can look at this rosetta stone straight faced and go "ohh yea makes total sense bro"

1.) AV thinks Ben is scummy.
2.) AV thinks Fur is town.
3.) AV thinks Fate is town.

-) AV thinks Fur (note, not Ben who claimed the Stalk) is setting up to be a murderer.
-) AV thinks Ben (note, the guy who is scummy) should kill Fate (note, the guy who is town) to prove his town powers.

I need this thought process explained to me in such a way that isn't ACTUALLY "Well, lets be sure to put some pressure on the 'confirmed' but back off when it wont and let Ben do some dirty work for us before he gets lynched for said dirty work"

-) I don't think Fur is setting up to be a murderer. I thought that in my "Catchup Post of Fail", but have since stated that I believe he DID take the Ward action, which makes no sense for someone who wants to go down the murderer route. In fact, I argued MoI into conceding that Furc probably did Ward, so much so that he backed down from his Furc vote, so you can't say I'm just jumping on someone else's coattails on that argument.

-) Should "try" to kill Fate since that will prove he is not-cult which is pretty damned good tradeoff for me being wrong, especially considering that we can res Fate to stop him dying anyway. And if he can't shoot Fate, then we have confirmed scum. Not to mention I'm not the only one to go for it - even

Plum

admitted it was necessary;

"I have a problem. I NEED Benmage to carry out his kill tonight otherwise he drowns us in WIFOM stew. Do not want. On the other hand, am very much leaning Town on Fate. HALP."

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AV, are you, and others, voting me over a confusion in terminology that I have already addressed?

No, I'm using your own terms. You said "more likely town as he is setting himself up to be a murderer suspect" i.e. he is less likely to go down the murder route because he has explicitly set himself up as a murderer. Then you said "most definately not town" (these are your own words, it's your contradiction not my misinterpretation). Then you said "I strongly suspect that Ben wants/wanted to go murderer" which also doesn't mesh with the first thing.

[El Goosuki]

TWENTY-FOUR PAGES??? This is a nightmare. Beginning read now.

-DGB

[Feysal]

Hito, your little whatever is flawed. What if I'm allergic to strawberry? What happens if they give it to me without asking?

I think this is beating a dead horse, we're really taking the ice cream example too far. Also, since I've defended Furcolow so far, I was going to keep at it... but, you actually gave me something new to think about.

11:56, Furcolow ward/noise claims.
12:04 hito calls Furcolow a lier saying that Furc must have heard noise if he warded.
12:05 Furc flail post. "also, i'd like to add, where I didn't hear noise and I warded, this needs to be rectified somehow... makes no sense."
12:05 Furc flail post. "that's not a lie. things offset wards, as in other wards. are you dumb?"
12:06 Furc flail post. " "Your action will fail if someone targets you with Ward. " "
12:06 Percy's correction of Hear noise, which includes an answer to Lady Butterfly.

Now, the interesting part here is how quickly Furcolow comes up with a possible explanation for not hearing noises. Only a minute to search the rules for the relevant passage, then post about it. And the idea that having your ward fail due to another ward on you would cause you

not

to hear noises is the best part. This idea is so peculiar that it almost seems like it was prepared in advance.

What would that mean? Furcolow could have stalked Drippereth/El Goosuki, and after murdering them the next night, he could point back to this and say "I did not hear noise, so my ward must have failed." Percy's correction to the rules would've been just a wild coincidence. It is not often that I have conspiracy theories this far-fetched, but this one leapt at me.

I'm not sure if even I believe that, but I thought this warranted mentioning. In either case, I really think we should get over the idea that Furcolow would be cult, because it makes no damn sense. But murderer? Perhaps. Playing the part of a village idiot might let you get away with quite a bit.

[Baby Spice]

AV, are you, and others, voting me over a confusion in terminology that I have already addressed?

No, I'm using your own terms. You said "more likely town as he is setting himself up to be a murderer suspect" i.e. he is less likely to go down the murder route because he has explicitly set himself up as a murderer. Then you said "most definately not town" (these are your own words, it's your contradiction not my misinterpretation). Then you said "I strongly suspect that Ben wants/wanted to go murderer" which also doesn't mesh with the first thing.

So that would be back in my second post then, when I was confusing the terminology. Before Seacore, I've quoted him earleir, properly introduced the idea that investigator =/= town.

[ReaperCharlie]

And if he was a murderer, why would he have claimed his target? Huh? ...........WIFOM ensues.

If you want my absolutely infallible advice: Move on, Feysal. Stop tunneling, start scumhunting.

This has been a public service announcement.

[ReaperCharlie]

^ @ feysal

[El Goosuki]

Nice pipl:

El Goosuki
ReaperCharlie
kunkstar
hitogoroshi
Lost Butterfly
Furcolow
Feysal
sottyrulez
Wingless
xvart
BenMage
Triglav
Seacore
Bowser

Ba-a-A-A--a-aD pipl:

MagnaofIllusion
Fate
rewq455 (see post #137)

(now on page 7)

[El Goosuki]

Nice pipl:

El Goosuki
ReaperCharlie
kunkstar
hitogoroshi
Lost Butterfly
Furcolow
Feysal
sottyrulez
Wingless
xvart
BenMage
Triglav
Seacore
Bowser
rewq455 (see post #137) > his posts on page 10 are good.
WIcked
SPyreX
Andrius
totallynotmafia

Ba-a-A-A--a-aD pipl:

MagnaofIllusion
Fate
AuroraVox
BabySpice
Plum

Currenly on page 14.

[Feysal]

Actually, I had formulated a plan for keeping him alive via resuscitation whilst still testing the validity of the kill even in the event of scumFate. AFAIK Fate would still receive the death PM and then the "revival" PM and so we could test the stalk claim AND keep Fate alive; if he's town, he tells the truth, and if he's scum and says he received no PM, we can test Benmage for blood. Did you skim over that bit?

I looked back at the rules in SAII to understand this. So players would receive messages from resuscitating and from being resuscitated. Even if they don't, and I don't see why they wouldn't, you can still easily tell whether you were resuscitated. If you wake up with blood on you and did not do anything to get it on you, you were resuscitated.

At first glance I thought your test would not work, but on closer look it might. If Benmage was cult, he could have the cult target Fate for the ritual, knowing it would fail. Am I correct in assuming a failed kill would have no flavor? If so, it would look like Fate was targeted for murder, and he'd be bloody from having been resuscitated. Benmage could easily get himself bloody too, by participating in the ritual. The only way to tell if this happened would be the absence of a ritual kill, and forcing the cult to waste their kill to cover for Benmage would be good too.

On the other hand, if Fate was cult, he would not be able to lie. If he did lie, checking Benmage for blood would expose him. So in either scenario, I guess we can confirm whether Benmage is an Investigator.

If both Fate and Benmage were cult, this test would be useless. They could both craft perfect lies, and we'd have no way of knowing. At least, not yet.

[Benmage]

There are multiple scum, and we can leave lynching Benmage until later. Since he has outed himself as potential murder suspect, we can watch him very closely; we can prevent his first kill on Fate, which means he'd have to make it to N6 to even turn into a murderer, and N8 to get his winning kill. We could even save lynching him as late as D8 before he gets that chance, and have a confirmed "not-cult" for that length of time. See, I

have

put thought into this, I'm not just saying LOLOL DONT LYNCH BEN HE SCUM LOL.

Some shit along these lines is why i would never go murderer....see how dumb it is. Especially since i said "hey look at me" Scrutinize my every move....people suggesting this...seacore...is foolish logic or opportunistic scum.

[Fate]

ASSVOROUX:

REZ KITS SHOULD NOT BE WASTED ON TOWN ON TOWN VIOLENCE. THIS ENCOURAGES INSANITY OF BOTH KINDS

WHAT THE HELL

[Fate]

Did Ellie just put me on the bad people?

DID ELLIE JSUT?

AFTER ALL WEVE BEEN THROUGH?

PLUM TOO?

THOSE ARE SOME SHIT READS.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Did Ellie just put me on the bad people?

PLUM TOO?

THOSE ARE SOME SHIT READS.

Are you shocked that a Hydra with Elli in it would produce a perfectly crappy gut read list? If so go read Clash of Kings and get back to me.

[totallynotmafia]

If fate were to lie about being bloody I don't think it would really be a disadvantage. If he:

a) lies, saying he is not bloody when he actually is: that means we know one of Fate-BM is scum so we lynch both - obviously fate wont do that.
b) lies, saying that he is bloody when he isn't: that means both are scum playing a massive gambit. We wont know this, but if BM ever flips cult down the track we know Fate is cult too.

If Fate tells the truth (which is more likely), the benefits are:

1) We catch BM out if he is indeed cult and lying about the stalk
2) We clear BM as town (well not exactly, the (b) case above could be true, though it's a lot less likely.) And yes he would be mostly cleared as town as opposed to investigator, it would be pretty silly to try and win as a murderer after you've already lost two days.
3) we put this very distracting matter to rest, at least for a little while

Ugh, we're doomed. Anyone who hasn't already set themselves up to go on a murderous rampage is most likely strongly thinking about it now. I know I am.

Why do you say this?

It was a comment that was basically saying that based on all the petty arguments and name-calling, not only would it be fun to be a murderer and go around offing a few people, it may actually be the easier win con at this stage.

Anyway...Vote: Wickedestjr. Just a hunch at the moment from his first post. He asks for more posting from various people but at the same time admits he hasn't even read the posts of someone he listed. To me this is something scum do (I did it when I was scum), calling on people to post more in order to try and look town, and it particularly sticks out like a sore thumb in this game. It hasn't even been 24 hours yet, we have 18 pages already and it's not like the people he listed haven't posted at all, the last thing I can imagine town doing right now is saying they want people to post more.

When I said I would love to hear more from them, that was my way of saying that they were the players I didn't have good reads on. That's why I said I wanted to hear more from Furpants_Tom despite him already posting. I find it kind of hard to believe that this is the most voteworthy thing you have against anybody.

For me, because town are genuinely trying to find the scum, and scum are trying to look like they're genuinely trying to find the scum, the only real "scumtells" I look for or rely on are the unecessary bits people include or the bits that on the surface look innocent or pro-town or even just a throwaway line but an actual town member would be unlikely to say it in that situation - kind of like you can tell someone is lying when they overcompensate by providing too much information. So yes, you stating you would like to hear more from certain people that early in the game with already a wealth of posts (I mean, you could have just said "I don't have a read on these players yet"), was the most voteworthy thing at that stage. Your explanation is plausible, just not sure if I believe it yet.

Oh yeah and I didn't ward.

[totallynotmafia]

Fate, if BM is town and genuinely believes you're scum he's probably gonna go ahead and murder you anyway, and if you flip town then we're probably gonna lynch BM tomorrow, so the whole thing would be disastrous in the end.

[Plum]

Oh Plum, there is a reason why I call Fate a she....but you'd probably not like it.

Fine, then don't share it. I'm happy enough being the only proper girl around here.

G-D, Andrius, enough with the all-caps. You're reminding me of scum-Andrius from Thrillville on that alone, ugh. Fate only uses it sometimes, and it's cuter when he does it. Take it off, pretty please. Even if you've got lots of adrenaline on.

//will not point out that i was neglected in Plum's WoT
///WoT = Wall of Text, not War on Terror, though <3 Sociopath

You just did. I won't neglect you now: you do not have a Townread. I usually can get Townreads on cool friends pretty quickly, so this is a bad sign (also a bad sign on SpyreX for the record).

As for furc, I still think he is cult, but the only thing holding me back is what Hito said about the rule discrepancy in the early game so I need to consider that in the grand scheme of things. In the meantime, his posting is so scummy, and his self proclaimed VI-town frustration does not match behavior I have observed. Plus what Percy said about matching names and targets, with a default action of Cower.

So your top scumpick is . . . ?

Ben is probably the scummiest player I've noticed on my first read but I'd rather see him prove his town credentials via him killing Fate than lynching him.

So we are going to start lynching people to prove they are town? That doesn't sound like a very good plan to me. If Fate is dead tomorrow we'll eventually be able to determine if he was a cult or investigator killed him.

You make no sense. You're arguing with AV but agreeing with him? This just looks like gratuitous dirt, which frankly is what all of your Post 347 feels like to me. Plus the fake-content Insanity discussion tacked on at the end, I dunno.

You know how scum love to FOS their buddies because they can express fake suspicion without having to worry about the consequences? Imagine someone walking in to a game saying "Yeah, I can only FOS or hammer. Doctors orders. Got my prescription right here." Feel the terrible seething hatred in your gut towards that player. That's what happens when we allow Sadism.

This person. Is a smart and good person. You have my word on that. Also, word to the wise, we do get kill flavor.

Ward seems a suboptimal scum action N0 from my understanding of the rules.

Enlarged for those hard of comprehension.

I feel that there's a suggestion of guilt around Benmage, I don't think he's necessarily Cult, but remember, being an Investigator does not make you "Town".

Ben's suggestion that InvestiFate would have targetted him for a night action but CultiFate would not have is a serious logical gap. In the 438 posts the two of them have made, has this been discussed?
Ben's attack on me for saying "I think your meta is stupid", he declares that I am definitely scum, this smacks of not caring who he paints as scum. Note, he didn't just say I was acting scummy, he declared me definitely scum.
Stalk Night 0 is not a town action. He wants us to trust that he won't kill again, and that he was taking an insanity point to murder another player before any tells on that player could be revealed and that that was a town action.

Personally, I think Benmage is an investigator who wants to go Murderer. At the very least he's an investigator, planning on staying an investigator, but is willing to spend two night actions on doing something that has a 75% chance of being anti-town.

Oh hi, scum. Benmage can be a pain, yes. Again, remember that misvigging in this game is mitigated by the high chance of being able to confirm who did it and that the player isn't Cult. This is . . . wishy-washy, tentatively putting in a word to help make Benmage a good future target of suspicion even if people don't feel like touching him today. Scum like to map out roads of potential mislynches. So yeah.

I have town Meta fate not PTw. You can drink all the wine about how shell act as scum. I suggested she's following the cult unit because she can't solo kill me

Either way, you've behaved incredibly anti-town and, assuming nobody digs themselves in deeper, I'd be happy to see you hang for it.

Anti-Town != scum. Nice plicy lynch in disguise thar. Sometimes I tolerate those who push policy lynches openly, if I have reason to believe that it's a nulltell for them. This is insidious.

So, even with the two assumptions, a) that you're not cult and b) that you wouldn't go murderer, we still have you doing something which is so incredibly anti-town. You rarely get a better reason to lynch somebody day 1.

Lol I prefer lynching anti-Town players whom I assume are Town over scum suspects or searching for players actually acting scummy lol.

Seacore, you're focusing on Benmage on what has become a fairly stale issue (my understanding is that Benmage realizes the mistake in his position and no longer intends to follow through on the Fate stalk - please correct me if I'm wrong) and ignoring pretty much everything else. Benmage v. Fate was a distraction that we finally seem to have smoothed over. You trying to keep it alive is annoying enough on it's own. Throw in the fact that you're tunneling Benmage and ignoring basicially the rest of the thread, and that you've literally just said "I think you're scum, but if my arguments for why you're scum don't work, it's a policy lynch," and I am a seriously unhappy hito. Yes, Benmage acted childishly coming in here - and now that's he's showing signs of contrition and maturity, you desperately scrabbling to secure the mislynch is giving me bad vibes.

VOTE: Seacore

^^ Goodposting.

REMEMBER, Benmage can, as far as I can recall, attempt to kill Fate and if Fate gets Rezzed and saved from a kill he'll know it. Even if scum have a Fetish of him and kill him over the Rez it'll. Damn I thought there was a way for it to come out in the wash, but I can't remember what it could be. I think it was we would get claimed Rezzes on Fate and see how they stacked up vs. how many kills we expected on him given Ben attempting to Murder. Basically, I think we can still turn this into a win-win, despite all of the rage.

I'll

Vote: SpyreX

because I'm still not really sure why he's so sure both Benmage and Fate are town.

Scumtell there in what way exactly?

There is no ambiguity in targeting a hydra which is the basis of a hydra in this game. The intention was quite as clear as seaching for a Forensics Kit onstead of Forensics Tools. Lost Butterfly, don't be an idiot and reverse the Townpoints Mina earned . . . too late.

I'm satisfied that Furcolow has been caught

Vote Furcolow

Nice job, scum.

GREAT town players find my playstyle effective, though crude, and generally keep me alive because I am so obvious due to meta

It's nice to know I've reached a point in my Mafia career where I'm considered a great player.

The next Epiphany is somewhat subjective but geared for anyone calling fate town
For if you reached the first Epiphany and believe fate to be town the next step is zomg benmage shouldn't kill fate.

No. As explained above, optimal play is at least one Investigator with a Rez kit targets Fate and you try to kill Fate. This is likely to help confirm you (because if you're Rezzed and saved from a kill your flavor will indicate that) while keeping probTown Fate alive.

However to attempt to be pushing my lynch already when I've been nothing but. Been forthright in my actions is opportunistic scum or poor town play. I basically said here's a huge magnifying glass observe my every move....if I was going for a tough wc there could be a ton better ways to go about this....because like it or not, I'm pretty smart, and pretty decent at these games.

Ahhhhhhhh, goodposting. TRUE THIS.

MEANING....

Andy is likely cult.

Oh yes. The rope.

*rummages in backpack*

I got it. But Seacore first, please?

Ba-a-A-A--a-aD pipl:

MagnaofIllusion
Fate
AuroraVox
BabySpice
Plum

Which head is posting this plz?

Voting and such in next post; I like to keep certain things distinct and that means not locked up in wallposts.