The Return to Liten (Game Over)

[Square Obscure]

@MoI/Furry: The vote for pure meta was mostly for pressure based on a single slip-up. I kept the vote on for a few days, hoping he would continue to slip up, but my assumptions were proven wrong. To be more specific: meta's good for initial/pressure voting, but once the wagon starts to get rolling you've got to find actual, in-game evidence to back that up otherwise it's not justifiable.

--Wraith

[Square Obscure]

Also

@Data: I wouldn't call it chainsaw defense quite yet. If it continues throughout the day, maybe, but that's just MoI's playstyle - ripping into the wagonites.

[Furry]

Hey Data - Is Bowser scum?

Bowser's still scum, but MoI is committing a pretty blatant chainsaw defense right now. Obvpartners.

For whoever asked why Data is scum, this is why. Data says that Bowser is scum for lurking. When MoI attacks the Bowser wagon, Data decides that MoI must be scum defending his scum read of Bowser. However the reaction from Data is to move onto MoI, which makes little sense.

Apparently the entire scum read of MoI as per above hinges on the fact that Bowser is scum, yet Data is content to simply lynch MoI without proving the conditional part of his read. Data also completely ignores what should be a "town defending scum" possibility from his standpoint, automatically assuming MoI is scum and needing to be lynched first, therefore leaving Bowser alive for a later lynch.

MoI is probably town, Nik is probably town, dana is probably town. Data is scum and needs lynching. Jury is out on Nero and SO.

[Thor665]

^^^
I like the cut of this jib.

Unvote: danakillsu
Vote: Data

[Furry]

Everyone likes my jib

[Slaxx]

I'm cool with his jib too.

unvote

vote:Data

[AlmasterGM]

man I love Furry so much.

Fortunately I am already voting Data so NO VOTING REQUIRED, but now I actually feel good about myself.

[HackerHuck]

OK, I've skimmed through the first few pages just so I could get up to speed, but I'll go back over them in more detail tomorrow. Dana wagon was interesting and it sure seemed to fade fast. I'll have to admit that LynchMePls gave me a bad vibe with his attack on MoI's 'There's scum on that wagon' comment. What is really obvious, is that Magna's statement implies that he thinks it's more likely that there is scum on that lynch than random chance would indicate. I don't see why town would want to dissuade that type of an investigation.

VOTE: LynchMePls


I also forgot to ask this before replacing in, but I'd like to know who the hydras are and their heads. Please use full screen-names. While CSL sounds familiar, I can't recall what it stands for.

[Bowser]

Hey guys,
CSL has been sick and I've been getting my ass kicked by school a lot more than usual this week. Contribution will be up. Sorry about that. I'll keep this post brief because we wanted to get one up tonight but we weren't able to collaborate much. We'll post more tomorrow. First of all

unvote dana

Bowser's still scum, but MoI is committing a pretty blatant chainsaw defense right now. Obvpartners.

he's attacking you because he thinks you are making scummy arguments, not because you are making arguments against me.

I'm cool with his jib too.

unvote

vote:Data

I haven't really played with Slaxx before, so I'm not sure if this is unusual behavior for him. His ISO consists mainly of bandwagon votes and one liners. Just wondering if anyone else noticed and found this weird.

I also forgot to ask this before replacing in, but I'd like to know who the hydras are and their heads. Please use full screen-names. While CSL sounds familiar, I can't recall what it stands for.

CSL is his username. Mine is Untrod Tripod.

<3,
UT

[Furry]

Oh also im going to be basically gone all this week. I have a steel design midterm monday, environmental eng one tuesday, geotechnical eng one thursday and taking my engineering liscensing exam saturday. Will not be able to make a good post (most likely) until Sunday night. Will try and read and make quicks posts between classes.

[Thor665]

@HackerHuck - as exciting as you trying to restart the LMP wagon is, I find it odd you didn't comment on Furry's Datascum case. What's up with that?

[SaintKerrigan]

About five and a half kilometers northeast of Istor Forest
Colonized Sector 2, UTP Planet Liten, Tynnfred System
December 4th, 2486 SC (Day 3, Month 15 LC)
0820 hours SST (1235 hours LLT2)

Black Cat tromped across the boing grass, her hands firmly gripping her laser rifle. As one of the rearguard, she kept glancing behind her every now and then to make sure nothing was pursuing them.

"I know it's tough, Sherry," she murmured quietly. "It's never easy, but we've survived before. You watch my back, and I'll watch yours, and we'll stay alive. Stay alive while everyone around us succumbs to death's succor, just like we always have."

Nearby, Bill scowled at Black Cat. "Must you insist on such insanities as conversing with your weaponry? In case you haven't noticed, we've got a serious issue to deal with, here!"

Black Cat idly aimed her rifle at Bill. "What do you think, Sherry?" she asked softly. "Should we forgive him for his lack of manners, or would a punishment be prudent?"

"Hey, point that thing somewhere else, dammit!" Bill protested. "Or are you one of those damn things? Huh?"

A hand rested firmly on Bill's shoulder. "Relax, kid," Wesley said calmly. "Everyone has their ways of coping with this job. Black Cat's has gotten her through some really rough times. If you survive this mission, you'll likely find yours too."

"But--she's pointing a gun at me!"

"If she wanted to kill you, you'd be dead already. I know it's your first mission, but you must fortify your will, or you will be consumed by this blight."

"Easy for you to say. You have your hypothetical God to fall back on if the shit hits the fan. Pity my higher intelligence doesn't allow me such follies."

"Belief in God certainly helps, but others have dealt with this stress in their own way. Like Black Cat."

Black Cat chuckled. "His oration never ceases to amaze me, Sherry. Come, let's return to our duty." She turned away from Bill and Wesley, resuming her rearguard duties.

"What's with Black Cat, anyway?" Bill inquired. "I've asked around, but all I hear is that she's cursed. Squads die in her presence, or something like that."

Wesley nodded. "Not that I believe in curses, but Black Cat has had a rough past. Both of her former squads were utterly annihilated in combat, she being the lone exception."

"Holy Darwin..."

"No one really knows the details; her file is drowning in black ink, and she's none too willing to interact with us period, let alone share her past. Regardless, being a lone survivor twice in one's life is undeniably an incredible torture to live through, so we oblige her eccentric nature. It's not like she's worse than Psycho, anyhow."

Bill chuckled halfheartedly. "You have a point, Wes. I guess...I just don't fully comprehend the eccentricities of war, yet. You know, my bubble visions of grandeur and glory being popped and all that."

"Well, it's not like those things don't exist," Wesley pointed out. "You're just discovering what the ugly side of war is. As the saying goes, 'The triumphant warrior stands on the corpses of his friends.'"

"Indeed."

Vote Count 1.2

(4) danakillsu: daniel94581, Square Obscure, LunchMePls, apathyplusCUPCAKES
(4) Data: AlmasterGM, Furry, Thor665, Slaxx
(2) Bowser: Spyrex, danakillsu
(1) Thor665: Nova Cain
(1) Feysal: Twomz
(1) Nero Cain: Nikanor
(1) Square Obscure: MagnaofIllusion
(1) MagnaofIllusion: Data
(1) LynchMePls: HackerHuck

Not Voting: Feysal, Bowser

With eighteen people alive, it takes ten votes to lynch.
The deadline is Sunday, October 31st, 2010 at 1:00 p.m. CST.

[HackerHuck]

@HackerHuck - as exciting as you trying to restart the LMP wagon is, I find it odd you didn't comment on Furry's Datascum case. What's up with that?

I did say that I skimmed, so all I recall is that there was some confusion regarding a vote on Data versus Dana. I'll take a look at it later today.

[Bowser]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Bowser

srs vote.

Last to post in thread, despite definitely being around. Gut twinged at his vote post. It all just feels very 'safe'.

We don't understand this post very well. So you're making a "srs vote" on us for making a "safe" vote (is any vote ever really safe? We think FoS's could be safe, while votes by definition are not) that we said was for pressure? Are we reading that right? Or are you saying that the timing of our first posting in the thread is scummy? Is it some combination of the two? If you think that adding a pressure vote is a scumtell, that's fine (although we disagree) it's just a your mileage may vary thing. However, we simply cannot figure out a way that the time thing could ever be a tell of any sort. Please, enlighten us how when we first post in the thread could tell you our alignment.

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Care to bother to explain why? Or are you just piggybacking of Spyrex’s logic?

I’d like you to clarify how your vote on Bowser here isn’t exactly the same thing – looking for a ‘safe’ vote on a popular wagon?

unvote; vote: MoI

Either you're scum not paying very close attention to the game, randomly skimming for posts to nitpick so you look like you're scumhunting, or there's a space-time distortion in this thread and you're reading the one in a parallel universe where Spyrex voted before me.

RTFT.

You had two options. Point out that MoI had misread in a civil way. Or this

Yeah, he misread the thread. Your vote on us is still crap.

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The vitriol with which you respond to a simple question (which you didn’t answer, BTW, so lovely dodge) is noted.

The way I saw it, your question was a result of a mistaken read on the thread, so I viewed it as irrelevant. It wasn't question dodging, I just thought it would cease to be a question once you saw your perception of the game was incorrect.

"I figured the only reason that someone would find me scummy is if they were misreading the thread."

You fail to present in your quotes that only the SECOND quote was addressed to you. The first quote was addressed to Slaxx inquiring about his motiviation. The reasons for that question has NOTHING to do with you or when you voted in relation to Spyrex. So thanks for pointing out that you voted before Spyrex when it has nothing to do with the first quote.

I'm aware the first quote wasn't addressed to me. I linked it as well because it was further indication you weren't reading the thread properly.

I’d like you to clarify how your vote on Bowser here isn’t exactly the same thing – looking for a ‘safe’ vote on a popular wagon?

Again – why is your vote on Bowser not a ‘safe vote’ and explain how Bowser’s is safe.

1. Bowser was the last person to jump on dana and expressly said it was for pressure. Hardly what you would call a safe vote given the interest it generated.
2. CSL being part of Bowser make him a relatively easy target if he is Town for opportunistic voting. It’s something I keep an eye on when I am in a game with players who are regarded as weaker by the community.

1.) If you want to go that WIFOM-y route, I could easily say the same thing about my vote. Hardly a safe vote given the interest I'm generating.

No -- interest has nothing to do with whether or not the vote is 'safe'. IMO making the first vote on someone who hasn't been voted is decidedly less 'safe' than hopping onto a popular bandwagon with parroted reasoning. The fact that it became popular after I voted is irrelevant -- I don't have control over whether other players agree with me or not, but it's interesting to see you wording the question like the fact that others agreed with me should be a point against me.

The fact that others agreed with you isn't what makes it scummy. In fact I'm not really sure where you got that from his question. He's saying it clearly wasn't a "safe" vote because it made others vote for us. Because it gave other people a reason to vote for us it was, by definition, not a safe vote and you were incorrect in saying that it was. Nice attempt at a strawman, though.

Hey Data - Is Bowser scum?

Bowser's still scum, but MoI is committing a pretty blatant chainsaw defense right now. Obvpartners.

Like we said in our last post, it's not a chainsaw. He's attacking you for scummy actions, not because of who you're attacking. We're not "obvpartners".

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We like Furry's point about how you were content to vote for MoI when your case on him assumes that we're scum. Because of that and the other content in this post, we will VOTE: Data

[danakillsu]

I think this latest opportunistic vote on Data says all you need to know about Bowser.

[Bowser]

I think this latest opportunistic vote on Data says all you need to know about Bowser.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

Opportunism is not adding to a case on someone by doing a PBPA of all of their relevant posts. If we were being opportunistic, we would have just written "we agree with all the things said about data. vote data". Sounds familiar...kind of like exactly what Slaxx has been doing. Tell us, why are you calling us opportunistic when you're not saying jack about Slaxx? Then again, this isn't the first time someone has called you out on calling one person scummy for something other people have been doing too...

[Slaxx]

OH look, post RVD discussion.

Furry's case is the best thing on the table so far. *fist pumps Furry

[Furry]

OH look, post RVD discussion.

Furry's case is the best thing on the table so far. *fist pumps Furry

Aaaaddddventure time!

[LimMePls]

OK, I've skimmed through the first few pages just so I could get up to speed, but I'll go back over them in more detail tomorrow. Dana wagon was interesting and it sure seemed to fade fast. I'll have to admit that LynchMePls gave me a bad vibe with his attack on MoI's 'There's scum on that wagon' comment. What is really obvious, is that Magna's statement implies that he thinks it's more likely that there is scum on that lynch than random chance would indicate. I don't see why town would want to dissuade that type of an investigation.

VOTE: LynchMePls


I also forgot to ask this before replacing in, but I'd like to know who the hydras are and their heads. Please use full screen-names. While CSL sounds familiar, I can't recall what it stands for.

My point was that it was one of those safe town-looking statements that a person can make to appear town without actually pointing out anything useful. There was scum on that wagon is the definition of obvious.

[LimMePls]

@HackerHuck - as exciting as you trying to restart the LMP wagon is, I find it odd you didn't comment on Furry's Datascum case. What's up with that?

Why is trying to restart my RVS wagon "exciting"?

[Thor665]

Why is it not exciting?
Also, allow me to clarify the comment so maybe you don't get spooked immediately;

@HackerHuck - [sarcasm]as exciting as you trying to restart the LMP wagon is, [/sarcasm][accusation of redirecting attention] I find it odd you didn't comment on Furry's Datascum case.[/accusation] [invitation to appear townish] What's up with that? [/invitation]

Done.

[Nikanor]

@HackerHuck - [sarcasm]as exciting as you trying to restart the LMP wagon is, [/sarcasm][accusation of redirecting attention] I find it odd you didn't comment on Furry's Datascum case.[/accusation] [invitation to appear townish] What's up with that? [/invitation]

I like this.
I also like the concept of Datascum.

SpyreX, where are you?

Unvote. Vote: Data.

I believe that is L-4.

[Data]

Hey Data - Is Bowser scum?

Bowser's still scum, but MoI is committing a pretty blatant chainsaw defense right now. Obvpartners.

For whoever asked why Data is scum, this is why. Data says that Bowser is scum for lurking. When MoI attacks the Bowser wagon, Data decides that MoI must be scum defending his scum read of Bowser. However the reaction from Data is to move onto MoI, which makes little sense.

Apparently the entire scum read of MoI as per above hinges on the fact that Bowser is scum, yet Data is content to simply lynch MoI without proving the conditional part of his read. Data also completely ignores what should be a "town defending scum" possibility from his standpoint, automatically assuming MoI is scum and needing to be lynched first, therefore leaving Bowser alive for a later lynch.

MoI is probably town, Nik is probably town, dana is probably town. Data is scum and needs lynching. Jury is out on Nero and SO.

I haven't ignored the possibility, I just don't think it's likely.

You're totally right about my MoI read mostly hinging on Bowser, though. (There's also the fact that I look very suspiciously on the post-long-textwalls-and-interrogate-people-on-the-tiniest-of-things playstyle, as for some it's an easy way to intimidate players away from voting you without actually having to do any real scumhunting. Not saying this is necessarily what MoI is doing as it's a little early to really tell how much MoI is planning to follow up on his barrage of questions, but yeah.) I hadn't really thought of it that way tbqh, I was just hopping onto another target. I'd be happy with my vote where it is or on Bowser. I'm certainly not going to apologize for trying to pair together scumpartners this early.

Somebody already mentioned Slaxx sheeping people, so I don't feel the need to dig into him for it again.

he's attacking you because he thinks you are making scummy arguments, not because you are making arguments against me.

Really? This looked pretty protective of you to me:

1. Bowser was the last person to jump on dana and expressly said it was for pressure. Hardly what you would call a safe vote given the interest it generated.
2. CSL being part of Bowser make him a relatively easy target if he is Town for opportunistic voting. It’s something I keep an eye on when I am in a game with players who are regarded as weaker by the community.

We don't understand this post very well. So you're making a "srs vote" on us for making a "safe" vote (is any vote ever really safe? We think FoS's could be safe, while votes by definition are not) that we said was for pressure? Are we reading that right? Or are you saying that the timing of our first posting in the thread is scummy? Is it some combination of the two? If you think that adding a pressure vote is a scumtell, that's fine (although we disagree) it's just a your mileage may vary thing. However, we simply cannot figure out a way that the time thing could ever be a tell of any sort. Please, enlighten us how when we first post in the thread could tell you our alignment.

Partially timing, yeah. Scum have a lot of motivation to post close to last in the thread upon day start, to get a feel for which way the winds or blowing and take advantage/do damage control accordingly. Partially the vibe I got from the way you posted your vote -- I just got "don't pay attention to me, just hopping on the popular bandwagon" vibes. The comment about "I wish he'd shown that to me before he posted" didn't exactly help.

You had two options. Point out that MoI had misread in a civil way. Or this

Do you think over-the-top snark is scummy? If so, explain. If not (I obviously don't think it is), why did you waste space with this?

"I figured the only reason that someone would find me scummy is if they were misreading the thread."

"I'm going to blatantly stick words into someone else's mouth and hope nobody calls me on it."

Like we said in our last post, it's not a chainsaw. He's attacking you for scummy actions, not because of who you're attacking. We're not "obvpartners".

Just saying 'it's not a chainsaw' doesn't magically make it so. And how about you let MoI defend himself instead of doing it for him?

Opportunism is not adding to a case on someone by doing a PBPA of all of their relevant posts. If we were being opportunistic, we would have just written "we agree with all the things said about data. vote data". Sounds familiar...kind of like exactly what Slaxx has been doing. Tell us, why are you calling us opportunistic when you're not saying jack about Slaxx? Then again, this isn't the first time someone has called you out on calling one person scummy for something other people have been doing too...

First good post from the Bowser hydra. THERE'S HOPE FOR YOU YET

I like this.
I also like the concept of Datascum.

SpyreX, where are you?

Unvote. Vote: Data.

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If I missed something, I'll get to it at a later date (maybe). The download I was waiting on just finished, and watching pirated movies > this game right now.

[Nikanor]

Baa.

[Data]

At least you have a sense of humour.

AND NOW ON TO WATCH INGLORIOUS BASTERDS

bai.