The Return to Liten (Game Over)

[Twomz]

At least you have a sense of humour.

AND NOW ON TO WATCH INGLORIOUS BASTERDS

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[SaintKerrigan]

The ruleset has been modified.

From

Article I: Day

8b. If a player has been prodded three times and is due for another prod, they will be automatically replaced.

daniel54981 has been prodded. SpyreX and Nero Cain are dangerously close to getting a prod (this is the mod being nice and warning you guys in advance, so please take advantage of it).

[Slaxx]

Still pretty sure Data is scum.

Remind me what the point of asking "why do you think over the top Snark is funny?"

Right, filler. Filler and distraction.

Choo-choo, we have room for four more people on this train.

[Nero Cain]

*dodges prod*

[HackerHuck]

@HackerHuck - as exciting as you trying to restart the LMP wagon is, I find it odd you didn't comment on Furry's Datascum case. What's up with that?

It's not a very good case. I don't think Furry is scummy for it, but his reasoning isn't very convincing. If it weren't so early in the game, I'd be concerned with why it got so much traction.

[Slaxx]

Not very good, but I think its the best thing out there so far. That probably why it got traction.

[Thor665]

I would agree with Slaxx.

@Hacker - do you think your LMP case is superior? If so, how, because I disagree.

[AlmasterGM]

Data, who is scum?

[SpyreX]

I like this.
I also like the concept of Datascum.

SpyreX, where are you?

Unvote. Vote: Data.
I believe that is L-4.

Ok..... I'm officially losing my mind or MS is screwing with me because I SWEAR I posted talking about this jumping dance Bowser is doing versus Data's MoI vote being under the "the basic premise is a lie" versus "tying them together".

HOWEVER, later posts... do that?

Sooo, hooray for my post going into the ether and derailing something that isn't there?

Then he comes back to it?

GOD

[Furry]

You're totally right about my MoI read mostly hinging on Bowser, though.

So you are voting MoI over Bowser because.....

(There's also the fact that I look very suspiciously on the post-long-textwalls-and-interrogate-people-on-the-tiniest-of-things playstyle, as for some it's an easy way to intimidate players away from voting you without actually having to do any real scumhunting. Not saying this is necessarily what MoI is doing as it's a little early to really tell how much MoI is planning to follow up on his barrage of questions, but yeah.)

So asking lots of questions is a scumtell?

I hadn't really thought of it that way tbqh, I was just hopping onto another target. I'd be happy with my vote where it is or on Bowser. I'm certainly not going to apologize for trying to pair together scumpartners this early.

Nothing wrong with thinking "X and Y are possible partners". I usually start doing that by the third page. Again though, why MoI over Bowser if you just admitted that if Bowser is scum the majority of your MoI case goes up in smoke.

First good post from the Bowser hydra. THERE'S HOPE FOR YOU YET

So how does this effect the Bowser-scum and therefor MoI scum read?

[Slaxx]

Yay, more inconsistency.

I think I am going to just hire Furry to do my scumhuntin in all my games.

[HackerHuck]

Not very good, but I think its the best thing out there so far. That probably why it got traction.

It got traction because you think it's the best thing out there so far?

Thor - superior is a strange word to use at this stage in the game. I like mine better, but both of them are marginal.

Furry is either misrepping Spyrex or I just don't understand what he's trying to say.

[Furry]

Furry is either misrepping Spyrex or I just don't understand what he's trying to say.

Probably the second one since I never quoted anything from spyrex. That was all from Data.

[Slaxx]

Yeah, it got traction because relative to other cases it was one of the stronger ones.

You pedantic questioning of my words has been noted.

[apathyplusCUPCAKES]

Unvote, Vote: Data

I would also like to point out that HH is making an awful lot of noise there. And seemingly not paying attention either.

[Furry]

You pedantic questioning of my words has been noted.

I agree, shallow and pedantic.

[Nero Cain]

I understand you say they are distancing. My issue is with the fact that the only reason I see you are voting for Thor is because he is arguing with Nik. So please give your reasons why Thor is scum in a clearer format.

or maybe you're being hard headed. Sometimes I read the threads in the mafia disscussion and this one poster was saying that one of the things that mafia like to do is demoralize the town wich is what I feel you are doing. You ask me a question, I answear it and then you ask me a question that I've already answeared and we go round and round in circles and acomplish nothing. Exactly how is that pro-town play?

Despite the fact that I've already explained to you why my vote is on Thor and you continue to not listen...

Pretty solid town read on Nikanor

There's this wonderful scummy post. Perhaps Thor is some super duper player but there's no way I could get a

solid

town read in the three posts he had prior.

Like I said to the left ear and went out the right ear, its entirely possible for Thor's

solid town read

to be an attempt at buddying. If its buddying then only Thor is scum; hence why I voted Thor.

I also don't like the fact that he keeps switching his votes to w/e is the largest bandwagon. Though I had this argument in another game. Apparently its a pretty common practice to build up random bandwagons and guage reactions. I'm not a fan of this; way to easy for scum to blend in.

how exactly am I proving your point again?

Ok....you said that I said Thor wasn't scummy but I speculated that it could be early distancing. For it to be distancing they'd both have to be scum therefore I'm calling Thor scummy.

You said that I said that I have a non-town read on Nik. This is a lie. What I said was

Him and Nik's cripple fight

looks

like early distancing.

I don't know either allignments so I can't condirm distancing therefore the I voted Thor and his possible buddying.
See how we go round and round in circles?

It is not WIFOM as you can’t provide a single scum-motivation for Thor and Nik to get into such an obvious slap-fight so early if they are both scum.

You do know what WIFOM is, right? How is your question any diffrent then asking

Is this poisned wine glass the one in front of me or the one across from me?

. To me thats the same as the question you're asking wich is basicly

Would they do this or would they not?

For the most part no; it would be stupid to distance this early but its equally possible for "vet" scums to act newbish.
Its also possible that it is a large scum group; Thor said something dumb and now he is being bussed.

The potential gain just doesn’t exist.

If Thor were to flip scum wouldn't it make Nik look pretty townish? That sounds like a potential gain to me.

Is it possible one is scum? Certainly and there are more possible scum-motivations for a single scum in that scenario than for dual scum.

This was in ISO 6. If you're going to nitpick my posts pay attention.

Nik isn’t doing the same thing. He’s said (repeatedly I might add) that he feels that Thor could be scum or Town for his actions. He didn’t say he thought Thor was scum and then voted you because you see connections to you and Thor linking both as scum.

If you have reads that don't make sense,

it means you probably have inside information. People with inside information on d1 are scummy

.

The fact that my post was bullshit

either means that you're scum making up reads or, well...

I don't see how you could possibly interpret this as him not saying Thor was scum. It wasn't till ISO 7 that he said Thor might be town and he only said it once, not repeatedly as you claim.

What you accused me of is

I find it curious that your vote didn’t go to the half of the team that you implied was not Town to begin with.

Nik accused Thor as being scum and then voted me instead. True he's not accussing me and Thor of being mafia buddies but its the some thing in principal.

[Nero Cain]

oh snork...I forgot to spell check. Lo siento.

[Twomz]

So, on the topic of being suspicious of one player and voting another... yeah, it sounds pretty scummy, especially when there's no explanation given for the discrepancy.

unvote, vote: data

L-2 (should be).

[Square Obscure]

Scum are on the dana wagon. After some shifty RVS play his style has definitely changed to a more town-leaning vibe. Nitpicking early posts alone is not good enough.

[HackerHuck]

Yeah, it got traction because relative to other cases it was one of the stronger ones.

You pedantic questioning of my words has been noted.

I was also pointing out the fact that you appear to be speaking for everyone else. Early game wagons tend to be built on reasons not entirely related to 'cases', hence my original comment.

Furry is either misrepping Spyrex or I just don't understand what he's trying to say.

Probably the second one since I never quoted anything from spyrex. That was all from Data.

Sorry, replace the word Spyrex with Data and maybe that will help.

I hadn't really thought of it that way tbqh, I was just hopping onto another target. I'd be happy with my vote where it is or on Bowser. I'm certainly not going to apologize for trying to pair together scumpartners this early.

Nothing wrong with thinking "X and Y are possible partners". I usually start doing that by the third page. Again though, why MoI over Bowser if you just admitted that if Bowser is scum the majority of your MoI case goes up in smoke.

Maybe you could better explain what this is supposed to mean, because it doesn't make any sense in the context you provided.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Hey Slaxx

– You kindly ignored the question I put to you in my post that data went berserk about. Care to actually respond?

I thought this was a time-honored tradition in the MoI universe, did I miss something?

I’ll ask you to explain in more detail unless this is a sarcastic comment related to the end of Clash of Kings. In that case

Sure, MoI called Data's vote on Bowser a popular wagon, which is odd, since Data was clearly the first to vote him. I'm not too sure if this means anything though, since everyone can make mistakes, whether as town or mafia.

I’ve explained why I called it a popular wagon (CSL is naturally a popular target) already. This reads of fence-sitting to me. You aren’t sure if ‘it means anything’ and everyone can make ‘mistakes’ regardless of alignment. You've basically established a safe way to call me either Town or Scum regardless of how the wind blows.

Bowser's still scum, but MoI is committing a pretty blatant chainsaw defense right now. Obvpartners.

Ah, the Chainsaw defense assertion. How would you characterize it as such? I asked you a simple question, which you didn’t respond directly to and instead went on the attack against me.

You're totally right about my MoI read mostly hinging on Bowser, though. (There's also the fact that I look very suspiciously on the post-long-textwalls-and-interrogate-people-on-the-tiniest-of-things playstyle, as for some it's an easy way to intimidate players away from voting you without actually having to do any real scumhunting. Not saying this is necessarily what MoI is doing as it's a little early to really tell how much MoI is planning to follow up on his barrage of questions, but yeah.)

I hadn't really thought of it that way tbqh, I was just hopping onto another target.

I'd be happy with my vote where it is or on Bowser. I'm certainly not going to apologize for trying to pair together scumpartners this early.

Emphasis added – This statement really sets my scumdar off. You really hadn’t thought through your votes but just were jumping to a new target? Not something I would expect to come from a Town player.

I find the whole parenthasized statement that making content rich posts (in Walls) and questioning people rather absurd. What would you define as “real scum-hunting”? Hoping from target to target while not thinking things through?

Somebody already mentioned Slaxx sheeping people, so I don't feel the need to dig into him for it again.

Why not? Do you find sheeping to be a Null / Town tell? Has Slaxx answered the accusation in a manner you find credible?

First good post from the Bowser hydra. THERE'S HOPE FOR YOU YET

Umm if Bowser is scum (which you have admitted is the lynchpin of your case against me) how is there ‘hope for him’?

UNVOTE: SquareOb
VOTE: Data

That should be L-1.

@MoI/Furry: The vote for pure meta was mostly for pressure based on a single slip-up. I kept the vote on for a few days, hoping he would continue to slip up, but my assumptions were proven wrong. To be more specific: meta's good for initial/pressure voting, but once the wagon starts to get rolling you've got to find actual, in-game evidence to back that up otherwise it's not justifiable.

I find this response is not very credible, IMO. It’s a scum-mentality that the reasons behind a non-RVS vote suddenly can shift or render an previously valid vote no longer valid. See Stef’s “Vote suddenly becomes OMGUS” in Mini 1040 as the most recent example. If your ‘meta’ was good enough initially it should not stop being valid simply because no over-scum tells were detected from dana.

Despite the fact that I've already explained to you why my vote is on Thor and you continue to not listen...

Just because you made an explanation doesn’t mean I have to find it reasonable or credible. Not agreeing with you is not the same as ignoring you. Up until the post I am responding to (191) you had yet to show any specific posts of Thor’s that were scummy.

There's this wonderful scummy post. Perhaps Thor is some super duper player but there's no way I could get a solid town read in the three posts he had prior.

Like I said to the left ear and went out the right ear, its entirely possible for Thor's solid town read to be an attempt at buddying. If its buddying then only Thor is scum; hence why I voted Thor.

So you find having a solid Town read early is a scum-tell. Have you ever played with players (like Ellibereth) who make Town read lists that sometimes include players who haven’t even posted yet? Would that make them scummy?

I also don't like the fact that he keeps switching his votes to w/e is the largest bandwagon. Though I had this argument in another game. Apparently its a pretty common practice to build up random bandwagons and guage reactions. I'm not a fan of this; way to easy for scum to blend in.

Do you find the other players who have been doing this (Slaxx , ApCakes, and Twomz comes to mind) also scummy?

You do know what WIFOM is, right? How is your question any diffrent then asking Is this poisned wine glass the one in front of me or the one across from me?. To me thats the same as the question you're asking wich is basicly Would they do this or would they not?
For the most part no; it would be stupid to distance this early but its equally possible for "vet" scums to act newbish.

Its also possible that it is a large scum group; Thor said something dumb and now he is being bussed.

I know what WIFOM is. I’m asking expressly for the purposes of determining how strongly you believe in your statement about distancing (which was the first thrust of your attack).

Empahsis added – I find the bolded portion very interesting because you are the ONLY person currently voting for Thor. Are you expressly saying you are bussing him?

[Square Obscure]

Oh, crap, I've been misreading votes as daNa instead of DaTa. Curse my non-existent dyslexia!

At the moment, however, I don't find Data particularly scummy, but that's probably because I haven't read him too much in-depth yet. I'll try to get on that this afternoon, but I have homework to do first.

--Wraith

[AlmasterGM]

At the moment, however, I don't find Data particularly scummy, but that's probably because I haven't read him too much in-depth yet. I'll try to get on that this afternoon, but I have homework to do first.

If Data flips town this guy is obvscum.

[Slaxx]

Oh, I was piggybacking Spyrex's logic.