The Return to Liten (Game Over)

[MagnaofIllusion]

daniel94581 has not responded to his prod, so he'll be replaced.

I have to laugh … wasn’t this the guy you begged to get in as an exception to the 3 Games on MS sign-up rule? Color me shocked.

I'm the vig. GTFO. -_-

I was trying to be just a little scummy so that scum wouldn't NK me. I guess I went a little overboard. Can you tell it's been ages since I've played a strong town PR? >_<

UNVOTE: Data

Rule one – don’t lynch a claimed PR Day 1 when time exists to secure another lynch.

That said your claim makes me believe the ‘Be scummy’ explanation has validity since Vig is a horrible Mafia claim to make (see Clash of Kings Mafia and Raivann as an example).

On the other side Vig is the standard Serial Killer claim. I guess time will tell based on your behaviour and targets.

Moving back to my previous suspect –

VOTE: SquareOb

I don't find your explanations regarding your 'meta' vote early very credible and what you've posted since doesn't make me question my read.

Scum are on the dana wagon. After some shifty RVS play his style has definitely changed to a more town-leaning vibe. Nitpicking early posts alone is not good enough.

Oh, crap, I've been misreading votes as daNa instead of DaTa. Curse my non-existent dyslexia!

At the moment, however, I don't find Data particularly scummy, but that's probably because I haven't read him too much in-depth yet. I'll try to get on that this afternoon, but I have homework to do first.

These two posts make little sense to me.

1. The first post mimics my exact sentiment expressed way back at 75. LMP and I then went on to have a small exchange about that statement. If you had read this I don’t see you making the first statement.
2. I understand mistaking a data vote for a dana vote (see my mistake re: Furry) in an isolated occasion. The fact that you are claiming to mistake the entire data wagon (newly formed) for a dana wagon is troubling.
3. You claimed that there was scum on the dana wagon. Yet when you realize your mistake you state data isn’t particularly scummy despite NOT having read him in-depth. Is that pure gut reaction then?

I do not believe that Data is scum at all. Look at where his vote is and has been for a while now.

Explain further. He had his first serious vote on Bowser at ISO 3 (10-20 RVS vote at 10-18) and then moved to me at ISO 4 (10-22). He unvotes me at ISO 8 (10-25) Neither vote stayed for an appreciable amount of time, IMO.

Why town? Are you saying that you know that Data will flip town.

It’s already been pointed out but Whut? If AGM had said “When Data flips Town” I can see your point. The fact that he said “If Data flips Town” nullifies any point you were trying to make.

[AlmasterGM]

Hacker, you keep just disowning every single possible wagon that comes up as "not being that good." It's page 10, Day 1. What do you want, cop-confirmed scum?

Who do you think is scum? Where should our votes be? Are you still backing that vote on LynchMePls you got from "skimming" the thread?

[Nikanor]

inb4OhNoesIWuzBlockeded! from Data.

[Twomz]

Is it good or bad that when my gut told me I should think about moving my vote to Square Obscure, other players started piling votes on him? I'll actually toss a vote down later today after I can double check votes and reread a bit.

[AlmasterGM]

inb4OhNoesIWuzBlockeded! from Data.

Even so, this is still one of those "deal with it later" problems.

[HackerHuck]

Hacker, you keep just disowning every single possible wagon that comes up as "not being that good." It's page 10, Day 1. What do you want, cop-confirmed scum?

Who do you think is scum? Where should our votes be? Are you still backing that vote on LynchMePls you got from "skimming" the thread?

Let's see, I said that I didn't think the data case was that good - at least no better than the reason why I was voting for LynchMePls. I've also said that I don't understand why you would think that Square had inside info. That's not disowning any wagon but the Data wagon. I think that either you should be able to explain why you think he had inside information or come up with an actual reason to vote for him. I personally am looking at the data wagon for scum because I think that the way it built up seems like scum had to jump on it.

I'm also awaiting Furry's detailed reasoning since he was pushing the Data wagon and then jumped off without explanation. I'm also not sure if Magna actually caught the unvote when he incorrectly claimed to have put Data at L-1.

[Square Obscure]

@MoI: You're either overanalyzing or misrepping:

1. I said scum were on the "dana wagon" because I thought it had been restarted despite dana's play improving.
2. I did not say the data wagon was a scum wagon on town, I said "he wasn't particularly scummy."
3. To elaborate for the third time on the offhand comment that has been blown way out of proportion, the reason I didn't find Data particularly scummy was

because

I had not yet read him in depth, for reasons I have already stated. Once my partner started giving me reasons to find Data suspicious (particularly his vastly different posting style), I am beginning to, therefore, find Data slightly scummy.

As of now, I personally think Data is SK fakeclaiming vig.

In addition, MoI, you seem unfamiliar with my reasoning for my initial dana vote. Meta is a sufficient reason to put down a pressure vote, but if it is not later backed up by evidence from the game itself, it is not justifiable to keep that vote. I really don't know what about that is hard to understand.

[LimMePls]

Why does that post creep you out LMP?

@Alamaster: I didn't say "i totally knew he was town PR guys lol," I said "I don't find him particularly scummy." That's because I've had homework and three other large games to pay attention to

First, I hate hate HATE when people use outside factors (my dog ate my homework, I got grounded, my girlfriend is pregnant, ect) to excuse their in game lay. It's like a form of AtE ("don't judge my bad play, I've got excuses!") and it wigs me out. I'm not calling it scummy per se, but every time I see it invoked it makes my hair stand up (hence "creeps me out"). In addition, what does "I don't find him particularly scummy" have to do with having homework and other large games to pay attention to? Are you saying you don't find him scummy because you haven't looked at him at all? Then why not say that, why say "I don't find him particularly scummy". The wording here is weird.

and then there's the fact that I only need to pay half as much attention to this game for the moment because I'm a hydra, so I'm kind of floating around here, not having any particular reads right now.

Saying that you are a hydra, and thus only half as interested in the game as normal also weirds me out. Why does being in a hydra mean you only have to pay half as much attention? You could actually pay just as much attention as a non-hydra. This looks like you're trying to cop out of your responsibility for your reads/opinions by throwing your hands up and saying "but I'm just half a hydra". I don't like that.

However, my other head pointed me to the game I posted a link to in my last post, and Data's posting there is in a suspiciously different style (Data was town in that game).

So in one post we have "I don't find him particularly scummy" and "However (insert stuff that makes him look scummy)". So which is it, is he not particularly scummy, or is he scummy? Looks like fence-sitting. From this post you could easily move to a position of data-scum or data-town, and posts like that (I call them wishy-washy) are usually my best lead on scum.

I, for one, would like an explanation. Now, are you going to stop misrepping me?

This bit is fine.

The post as a whole creeps me out because its one of those that looks designed to say a lot, without actually saying anything. You start off trying to discredit your own opinions (I'm busy IRL, I'm only half a hydra) and then go on to make one statement suggesting you don't have a problem with him and another statement saying you do. The whole thing stinks.

[danakillsu]

The SquareObscure wagon is good, but the Bowser wagon is better. The only thing I find scummy about SquareObscure is that the Wraith part was attempting to use meta on me when he's played only one game with me.

[LimMePls]

The SquareObscure wagon is good, but the Bowser wagon is better. The only thing I find scummy about SquareObscure is that the Wraith part was attempting to use meta on me when he's played only one game with me.

People can't read your games if they weren't in the game with you? Do you read what you type? That's probably the least scummy thing they've done.

[danakillsu]

The SquareObscure wagon is good, but the Bowser wagon is better. The only thing I find scummy about SquareObscure is that the Wraith part was attempting to use meta on me when he's played only one game with me.

People can't read your games if they weren't in the game with you? Do you read what you type? That's probably the least scummy thing they've done.

He did not base it on games he had read that he wasn't in. If he had, I would have been fine with it.

[Square Obscure]

Okay, if there's one thing I cannot FUCKING STAND, it's people who nitpick posts, take passages out, and criticize for these specific passages despite those passages making sense in context. Twice, FUCKING TWICE, now, and when I get in a rage it puts me on the conveyer of mislynch doom.

The "I don't find him particularly scummy" comment has no

direct

relation to IRL events, it's the fact that I'm splitting my attention and therefore not spending hours analyzing ISOs for specific details that I "didn't find him particularly scummy." I don't even know why this is the primary "point" against me, considering the wagon is derailed because people believe the vigclaim.

Secondly, you're grasping at straws by saying "you're trying to cop out because you're a hydra." If you haven't noticed I've done the majority of posting so far (although that's partially my fault for a lack of communication with my other head until recently)

Thirdly, this part:

So in one post we have "I don't find him particularly scummy" and "However (insert stuff that makes him look scummy)". So which is it, is he not particularly scummy, or is he scummy? Looks like fence-sitting. From this post you could easily move to a position of data-scum or data-town, and posts like that (I call them wishy-washy) are usually my best lead on scum.

Perhaps certain people here need to take a remedial English class. I will add insets:

"I don't find him particularly scummy" [as of approximately two or three days ago]. However [as of yesterday] my other head has referred me to meta that makes him seem slightly scummy [in my eyes, considering how a RPing alt is now playing with a somehwhat normal style]. [We must remember that yesterday refers to "one day ago," and that opinions can change in light of new evidence between spans of 24-48 hours]

I hope I do not have to continue to define the differences between statements of "I did think" and "I now think."

[SpyreX]

Dont you get all /wrists and get hung over Bowser GOOD LORD.

[LimMePls]

Okay, if there's one thing I cannot FUCKING STAND, it's people who nitpick posts, take passages out, and criticize for these specific passages despite those passages making sense in context. Twice, FUCKING TWICE, now, and when I get in a rage it puts me on the conveyer of mislynch doom.

The "I don't find him particularly scummy" comment has no

direct

relation to IRL events, it's the fact that I'm splitting my attention and therefore not spending hours analyzing ISOs for specific details that I "didn't find him particularly scummy." I don't even know why this is the primary "point" against me, considering the wagon is derailed because people believe the vigclaim.

Secondly, you're grasping at straws by saying "you're trying to cop out because you're a hydra." If you haven't noticed I've done the majority of posting so far (although that's partially my fault for a lack of communication with my other head until recently)

Thirdly, this part:

So in one post we have "I don't find him particularly scummy" and "However (insert stuff that makes him look scummy)". So which is it, is he not particularly scummy, or is he scummy? Looks like fence-sitting. From this post you could easily move to a position of data-scum or data-town, and posts like that (I call them wishy-washy) are usually my best lead on scum.

Perhaps certain people here need to take a remedial English class. I will add insets:

"I don't find him particularly scummy" [as of approximately two or three days ago]. However [as of yesterday] my other head has referred me to meta that makes him seem slightly scummy [in my eyes, considering how a RPing alt is now playing with a somehwhat normal style]. [We must remember that yesterday refers to "one day ago," and that opinions can change in light of new evidence between spans of 24-48 hours]

I hope I do not have to continue to define the differences between statements of "I did think" and "I now think."

Awesome. I say the post creeps me out, you ask me to explain why, and then when I do, you don't like that I took the post apart to explain it. Hilarity.

The explanation of the time between those two makes that stuff make sense. I still stand by not liking "I'm busy IRL, don't judge me" and "I'm only half a hydra" as excuses for poor play.

[AlmasterGM]

Awesome. I say the post creeps me out, you ask me to explain why, and then when I do, you don't like that I took the post apart to explain it. Hilarity.

LMAO this is hilarious ... and so true.

[Furry]

I'm also awaiting Furry's detailed reasoning since he was pushing the Data wagon and then jumped off without explanation. I'm also not sure if Magna actually caught the unvote when he incorrectly claimed to have put Data at L-1.

He claimed vig. Not sold on him being vig but that easily will straighten itself out. Why point out that MoI asked Data to claim early? Is that a scumtell? Claiming at L-2 is bad?

@Data - What is your kill method?
@Spy - Bowser is mass flaking from his games given a search from his posts.

I just caught some cold, given how busy my classes and accrediation exam is making me on top of how looking at a computer is aggravating my headache, I probably will not get to the SO elaboration untill Sunday at best.

[danakillsu]

Yeah, since Bowser is apparently gone, and not lurking, I'm going to

unvote vote: SquareObscure

From my (I believe) extensive experience with LMP, I have determined his recent post to be very town, and his logic is impeccable. SO's AtE does not help matters for him either.

[HackerHuck]

First note - apathyplusCUPCAKES needs to actually contribute something. He also seems to have an unexplained interest in Dana.
Bowser put together a very wordy case before voting for Data and we had tack-on votes from Thor, Nikanor, ApathyplusCUPCAKES, Twomz and MOI buried his vote in with some explanation.
This quote actually struck me as I was reading because I was almost thinking the same thing.

I think this latest opportunistic vote on Data says all you need to know about Bowser.

Confirmation bias (or maybe bussing) seems to be at play, because he did ignore all of the other tack-ons that seemed more "opportunistic". That said, Bowser's case on Data seems to be overdone. I'd say that my leading candidates on the datawagon would be Bowser and CUPCAKES.

I'm also awaiting Furry's detailed reasoning since he was pushing the Data wagon and then jumped off without explanation. I'm also not sure if Magna actually caught the unvote when he incorrectly claimed to have put Data at L-1.

He claimed vig. Not sold on him being vig but that easily will straighten itself out. Why point out that MoI asked Data to claim early? Is that a scumtell? Claiming at L-2 is bad?

I know there was some mixup with the times, but I'm pretty sure that you unvoted before he claimed. You certainly did say that you would provide some information about why Square Obscure is scum.
Pressing for a claim at L-2 isn't always scummy, but he was telling Data that he was at L-1, not L-2.

UNVOTE: LynchMePls
VOTE: Bowser

[Furry]

I'm also awaiting Furry's detailed reasoning since he was pushing the Data wagon and then jumped off without explanation. I'm also not sure if Magna actually caught the unvote when he incorrectly claimed to have put Data at L-1.

He claimed vig. Not sold on him being vig but that easily will straighten itself out. Why point out that MoI asked Data to claim early? Is that a scumtell? Claiming at L-2 is bad?

I know there was some mixup with the times, but I'm pretty sure that you unvoted before he claimed. You certainly did say that you would provide some information about why Square Obscure is scum.

Im pretty sure he claimed first given that why I unvoted, also because I say so in my unvote post. Read harder. Reasoning later, with luck between two classes of mine tomorrow, with reality Sunday, sleep now, fever finally broke though. Tah.

[Thor665]

Vote: Bowser

I'm sheeping - I apologize but I'm just feeling out of touch with this game at the moment. I think Huck's case of over justifying his vote is not a bad one and I don't even understand what we're running up Obscure for. The most I've got is LMP catching him being silly and illogical - which is (unfortunately) not fully indicative of alignment. Could I get a brief restatement of what I'm missing on that wagon from someone?

[HackerHuck]

I'm also awaiting Furry's detailed reasoning since he was pushing the Data wagon and then jumped off without explanation. I'm also not sure if Magna actually caught the unvote when he incorrectly claimed to have put Data at L-1.

He claimed vig. Not sold on him being vig but that easily will straighten itself out. Why point out that MoI asked Data to claim early? Is that a scumtell? Claiming at L-2 is bad?

I know there was some mixup with the times, but I'm pretty sure that you unvoted before he claimed. You certainly did say that you would provide some information about why Square Obscure is scum.

Im pretty sure he claimed first given that why I unvoted, also because I say so in my unvote post. Read harder. Reasoning later, with luck between two classes of mine tomorrow, with reality Sunday, sleep now, fever finally broke though. Tah.

OK, looks like I was wrong. Scratch what I said about Magna then, because Data would have been at L-1 when he pressed for the claim. I'm still interested in the Square reasoning, but it's not as important now that I know why you unvoted.

[danakillsu]

I don't know where the "site-wide flaking" thing about Bowser came from. I just saw a post from him elsewhere.

unvote vote: Bowser

If he's actually lurking, he REALLY deserves to be lynched.

[SaintKerrigan]

About two kilometers southwest of the extraction point
Colonized Sector 2, UTP Planet Liten, Tynnfred System
December 4th, 2486 SC (Day 3, Month 15 LC)
0915 hours SST (1501 hours LLT2)

The midday heat beat on Geordi mercilessly. Although the combat uniform he and the other SOBs wore included an internal cooling system to help regulate body temperature, his head was still exposed to the orange-red rays of Liten's sun. It didn't help that he was currently one of the SOBs regulated to carry the heavy ultrasteel case the IED was placed in.

Simona, the other carrier, was in the front, tromping her way forward across the stiffweed, which had replaced the boing grass about half an hour ago, SST. As the name implied, the ankle-high, stick-like, gray-green plants weren't easy to path through.

Geordi kept glancing upward nervously. "Red sky in the morning..." he mumbled.

"Eh?" Simona partially turned her head so an ear was facing Geordi. "What's that you said?"

"Old, old Earth omen," Geordi replied. "It goes, 'Red sky at night, sailor's delight. Red sky in the morning, sailors take warning.' Heard it from my father, long time ago."

"But it's not morning or evening."

"I know, I know. It's just this red sky. I've heard of the effect these 'red-sky' planets can have on people, but I guess I didn't really believe it until now. Can't you feel it, Simona?"

A pause. "I...I guess something disturbs me about the sky. I just thought it was related to the Arkon threat, though."

"Well, the Arkons certainly aren't helping things."

"Yeah..." They walked in silence for a bit. "What

I'm

worried about is Kestrel," Simona said quietly. "That psychic gut of hers is damn impeccable. How did she fail to detect the Arkon ambush?"

"Are you saying she was an Arkon? That we were betrayed on the inside?"

Simona shook her head. "I don't know. It's either that or they found a way to shield themselves from Kestrel's gut. Either way, it's disturbing as hell."

"This entire mission is disturbing as hell. This IED we're carrying better damn well be worth the price we've paid."

"Yeah. And the price we're likely going to pay..."

Vote Count 1.3

(4) Square Obscure: Furry, AlmasterGM, LunchMePlz, MagnaofIllusion
(4) Bowser: Spyrex, HackerHuck, Thor665, danakillsu
(3) Data: Slaxx, Bowser, Nikanor
(2) danakillsu: Cogito Ergo Sum, apothecaryplusCRABCAKES
(1) Thor665: Nova Cain

Not Voting: Feysal, Data, Twomz, Square Obscure

With eighteen people alive, it takes ten votes to lynch.
The deadline is Sunday, October 31st, 2010 at 1:00 p.m. CST.

Additionally, Cogito Ergo Sum replaces daniel94581. Give him a hand, folks! (Note: hand need not be attached to the body.)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Unvote, vote: Bowser

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

P.S. Dylan Richards is a boring name. Any chance I can get an upgrade?