[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

gandalf5166 · Post Post #1975 (ISO) » Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:39 pm

It was inevitable. Eventually, this thread had to turn to how to balance a cult. >.>

drmyshottyizsik · Post Post #1976 (ISO) » Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:49 pm

day one
2 mafia : 10 town

day two

3 mafia : 8 town

day three

3 mafia : 6 town

day four
3 mafia : 4 town

day five
3 mafia : 2 town(over)

The game lasts at least four days

gandalf5166 · Post Post #1977 (ISO) » Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:53 pm

I actually like it. It includes all the alignment-changing bsns of a cult game, without the swinginess. It's a size cap, without actually being a size cap in that cult can keep recruiting. Can I be the one to run it first?

drmyshottyizsik · Post Post #1978 (ISO) » Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:58 pm

I want to run it!!!!
Only a month away from mod'ing!

drmyshottyizsik · Post Post #1979 (ISO) » Tue Oct 26, 2010 2:59 pm

wait did I make another good game!?!?!

drmyshottyizsik · Post Post #1980 (ISO) » Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:05 pm

also how do i get this added to the list of approved games?

bv310 · Post Post #1981 (ISO) » Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:48 pm

Gotta admit Shotty, that sounds really cool.

One question: How would the scum decide who dies? Does the original team get to choose? What happens if they're both lynched and some of the converted are still alive?

jimfinn · Post Post #1982 (ISO) » Tue Oct 26, 2010 4:00 pm

I would suggest the earliest recruited living member would choose in every case, and specify somehow the order of the first two.

bv310 · Post Post #1983 (ISO) » Tue Oct 26, 2010 4:45 pm

Maybe do it as one assigned scum, and give him a pre-game recruit. You could do it with Lost Boys flavour, and it would be awesome.

gandalf5166 · Post Post #1984 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2010 7:28 am

Ehh.......... Maybe not so much with the pregame recruit thing. It just seems like it would bring a LOT of WIFOM into it. Even more so than there would normally be in a cult game, since you usually don't have to worry about it until lategame. Easier to just order them like JF said. One more question: When you get a scum flip, will it tell you if they were originally scum or recruited? I think that in this case it would be more interesting if they didn't. For example, scum could recruit a major suspect, get them lynched the next day, and then point to all these people who looked like they could have been that person's scumbuddy. Whole new dimension to bussing.

mallowgeno · Post Post #1985 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2010 9:07 am

Feeling Lucky Open

Mafia:
1 Godfather
1 Goon

3rd Party:
1 Converter (N1 must decide if they want to be sided with the town or the mafia. If he chooses to side with the mafia, he becomes a Stalker. If he decides to go town, he becomes a Doctor.)
1 Convertee (If the converter chose to become a stalker, the convertee becomes a town deputy (He will become a cop if the town cop dies). If the converter decided to become a doctor, then the convertee becomes a lawyer. If the converter dies D1, the convertee becomes a neutral survivor)

Town:
1 Sane Cop
7 Vanilla Townies

Beefster · Post Post #1986 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:21 am

That's interesting, though a bit swingy.

Just one thing- remove the GF because of the possibility of a lawyer.

bv310 · Post Post #1987 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:02 am

What's a Lawyer anyway? I'm not familiar with that role.

mallowgeno · Post Post #1988 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2010 11:17 am

Feeling Lucky Open

Mafia:
2 Goons

3rd Party:
1 Converter (N1 must decide if they want to be sided with the town or the mafia. If he chooses to side with the mafia, he becomes a Stalker. If he decides to go town, he becomes a Doctor.)
1 Convertee (If the converter chose to become a stalker, the convertee becomes a town deputy (He will become a cop if the town cop dies). If the converter decided to become a doctor, then the convertee becomes a lawyer. If the converter dies D1, the convertee becomes a neutral survivor)

Town:
1 Sane Cop
7 Vanilla Townies

Godfather removed

Lawyer is able to make one of his mafia buddies appear innocent.

drmyshottyizsik · Post Post #1989 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:35 pm

jimfinn wrote:I would suggest the earliest recruited living member would choose in every case, and specify somehow the order of the first two.

I am going to have the mafia pm me a name of one of the three existing members and the majority dies, or i randomize if no one gets a majority. Also mafia does not have to recruit

gandalf5166 · Post Post #1990 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:42 pm

That is NOT a good idea. Randomness has no place in mafia.

drmyshottyizsik · Post Post #1991 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:53 pm

gandalf5166 wrote:That is NOT a good idea. Randomness has no place in mafia.

Ok then I will ask the person being recruited which one he wants dead

gandalf5166 · Post Post #1992 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2010 12:56 pm

That..... SORT of makes sense. But then you would have to have a night phase, and then a morning phase, where you let the recruitee into the QT and let him decide who to kill.

drmyshottyizsik · Post Post #1993 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:22 pm

gandalf5166 wrote:That..... SORT of makes sense. But then you would have to have a night phase, and then a morning phase, where you let the recruitee into the QT and let him decide who to kill.

no he pm's me at night. I will pm him a list of the three current mafia members

gandalf5166 · Post Post #1994 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:24 pm

I'm...... really not liking that idea. JF's made much more sense, and was more balanced, with less WIFOM and potential activity problems.

drmyshottyizsik · Post Post #1995 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:27 pm

so the originall two can never kill themselves?

Antihero · Post Post #1996 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:35 pm

Neutral survivors suck.

mallowgeno wrote:
Feeling Lucky Open

Mafia:
2 Goons

3rd Party:
1 Converter (N1 must decide if they want to be sided with the town or the mafia. If he chooses to side with the mafia, he becomes a Stalker. If he decides to go town, he becomes a Doctor.)
1 Convertee (If the converter chose to become a stalker, the convertee becomes a town deputy (He will become a cop if the town cop dies). If the converter decided to become a doctor, then the convertee becomes a lawyer. If the converter dies D1, the convertee becomes a
neutral survivor
serial killer)

Town:
1 Sane Cop
7 Vanilla Townies

Godfather removed

Lawyer is able to make one of his mafia buddies appear innocent.

How about this?

drmyshottyizsik · Post Post #1997 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:38 pm

I like it alot anti, what do you think of mine?

Antihero · Post Post #1998 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2010 1:51 pm

Also, should the choice for mallow's game come on night 0?

drmyshottyizsik wrote:Really bored but here's my new idea

Every Man has a secret mafia

town10 Men with secrets

mafiaTwo Mafia black mailers- At night they get to choose one person to black mail, thus turning the person they black mailed into mafia with them.
If the mafia party how three people and it is night, then after the after the mafia chooses who to blackmail, they then also choose which of their members to kill(cannot being the same as th person black mailed)

Mafia have to kill one of their own?

I would hate to be mafia.

I also don't care for games where alignment changes in the middle of a game.

Beefster · Post Post #1999 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2010 2:10 pm

Due to the recruiting aspect, I would say that the mafia should always have to kill one of their own, regardless of their numbers. Otherwise, it makes it IMPOSSIBLE for the town to win. So basically, it's a suicide cult where whoever submits the recruitment PM dies.

Because of the alignment change and lack of town power roles, 2:10 is probably the ideal ratio. Very swingy.