Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[SpyreX]

AAAANNNDD TNM comes in with failure lowball questions huzzah.

[Andrius]

No, I just know you well enough to know how you'll respond to jokes and shit.

Aka, not approvingly.

I'm not ReaperCharlie. I don't try and pull shit like that. I was honestly trying to crack a joke-type thing, but everything I do has multiple motives. Here I was trrying to be funny

/fail

and trying to call you out on not having posted in awhile. So yeah.

AND GODDAMNT MY NEW AVATAR HAS THAT WHITE SHIT.
And least the sig works...

[Plum]

Again, you want to be right about someone no one else now suspects and you want to be right; and you know that I can look Town as scum - which in and of itself has no bearing on my alignment this game. Restate your case on me given my response and we'll work from there. I'm pretty confident you're Investigator and I'm interested in dealing with this, but if you go all broken heart rage it will be hard for anything useful to come out of our discussion.

SpyreX, what say you to Fate here?

Andrius, you're right, I haven't posted in a bit. Probably I'll be talking to Fate about it soon, but if I don't and you need it, give me a shout.

[Fate]

AAAANNNDD TNM comes in with failure lowball questions huzzah.

AND FATE SAYS PLUM IS SCUM.

AND YOU SAY NOTHING.

SpyreX, what say you to Fate here?

EXACTLY.

[Plum]

EXACTLY.

Anything for me, Fate?

[Fate]

WHY ARE YOU CONCERNED ON HAVING FURTHER TOWN ON TOWN ACTION PLUM?

HMMM?

HMMMMMMMMMMMM?

[SpyreX]

Are you FOR REALS saying plum is scum or is that LEFTOVER LOVE?

Because, I sure thought it was the latter.

I'm still waiting for AV's SHOCKING REVELATION that he stole my thunder which I was working on. Because, in a perfect world, many things will become clear with an RC scum flip.

[Fate]

DESPITE WHAT YOU THOUGHT YOU SAID NOTHING OF THE SORTS.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: REAPER

NOTES HAVE BEEN MADE. PLUM/SPYREX WILL NOT BE LYNCHED TODAY FOR OBVIOUS REASONS BUT SCRUTINY MUST BE PLACED. THEY ARE NOT SCUM TOGETHER HOWEVER.

SPYREX'S VOTE STILL ON AUROUSTOWN IS PARTICULARLY DISCONCERTING.

[Plum]

WHY ARE YOU CONCERNED ON HAVING FURTHER TOWN ON TOWN ACTION PLUM?

HMMM?

HMMMMMMMMMMMM?

Because if it's not taken to the point that it hurts the game, Town on Town discussion aimed at figuring out which reads are right/wrong is good when there's a disagreement. Unless you meant something different.

While we're on the subject, I see you in Preview and know I need to reread RC but my Townread on him initially was pretty decent.

[Baby Spice]

@Baby Spice: why did you ward MoI?

I also warded.
Chose MoI basically at random since I have played with virtually no one here unleesss they are in a hydra and I have not seen theem. After looking at the action summary in SA I it seemed to be the best optiooon for me.

To finish that thought; as I didn't expect to survive D1. So any equipment search would end up being wasted.

I've been/am in three larges. Lynch D1, NK'ed that night after replacing in, and one that's I'm alive in. All are still active games I think.

I've since found out that two players from that third game are in this game as hydra's. DGB and CSL. Actually, is Zachrulz part of Trilo. If so that would make three.

[SpyreX]

SPYREX'S VOTE STILL ON AUROUSTOWN IS PARTICULARLY DISCONCERTING.

BAD FATE

And I didn't say anything because I thought it was obvious? Timing being what it is. She is a heartbreaker, that's true.

[Fate]

I meant why did you want me to have questions for you, when you have me read as town?

Almost like you wanted to "ease any crazy" concerns I might have.

EH YOU MANIPULATIVE WOMAN?

[Fate]

SPYREX'S VOTE STILL ON AUROUSTOWN IS PARTICULARLY DISCONCERTING.

BAD FATE

And I didn't say anything because I thought it was obvious? Timing being what it is. She is a heartbreaker, that's true.

BAD FATE

VV IS OBVIOUSLY MISLYNCH FODDER, WHY DON'T YOU AGREE AND HELP ME KILL HIM?

No thankz

[SpyreX]

ACTUALLY

I have a decent town read on VV. Especially after taking a hardstance on not wanting insanities known.

[Fate]

THAT ISNT WHAT I WAS SAYING SPYREX AND YOU KNOW IT.

I WAS USING ANALOGIES FFS

[SpyreX]

HAHA you were?

Ohh god that means I'm in stellar form then.

I was actually gonna yell about still not wanting to unfold the townS D1 and us talking about that but

[Plum]

I meant why did you want me to have questions for you, when you have me read as town?

Almost like you wanted to "ease any crazy" concerns I might have.

EH YOU MANIPULATIVE WOMAN?

You already seemed to have issues with me and I couldn't tell if it was resolved on your end but I didn't think so, then you switched over to talking about SpyreX on something I agreed with and I couldn't tell whether/to what degree you still thought there were things we needed to discuss about me, so I asked. Not 'OH YOU HAVE CRAZY CONCERNS LET'S EASE THEM UP NOW' but 'YOU HAD CONCERNS AND I'M NOT SURE IF WE FINISHED THAT DISCUSSION OR NOT, SO HAVE WE OR WHAT?'.

[ReaperCharlie]

there are FAR better targets today,

AND TODAY DOESN'T END WITHOUT CONTENT FROM BOWSER. HIM POSTING ELSEWHERE FURTHERS THIS NOTION.THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT IS THREAT OF ROPE. MOVE OVER NOW TOWNIES.

What happened to this, Fate? I'm also waiting for you to answer my other question. See my previous post.

[Furpants_Tom]

Any chance we could ease up on the "ironic"/"humorous" misogyny?

[Seacore]

And also the caps

But mainly the misogyny

[Furcolow]

Bowser only has one vote, which is disappointing.

Baby Spice claiming ward that early (before xvart) gives her town points because I don't see her claiming ward if her fetish crafting failed (in such an instance as a Xvarttown flip would indite her).

BUTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT


LB HAS A WAGON.

LEZ GO

VOTE: Lost Butterfly

[Furcolow]

If it's not mentioned under side effect then it isn't a side effect is it?

I planned to ward so read the rules for warding. You (and others) didn't plan to ward so didn't and no doubt were more concerned with being targeted than I was so concentrated on the hearing noise rules.

In SAII, warding caused noise, and the ruleset as written at the start of the game confirmed that interpretation.

and I disagree with you saying confirmed there, because I believe it wasn't.

But do you accept that AV's post was much clearer?

wow, you are STILL missing the point on this?
if you are town, i can honestly say you even make ME look good

If you are so sure, why are you not defending him with proper arguments? Your word alone does little to influence my opinion of him... though I've not yet really formed my opinion, I will have to read ReaperCharlie's posts to see where this wagon is coming from.

Feysal, meet DGB. DGB, meet Feysal.

This I don't get. El Goosuki said he was 100% sure of ReaperCharlie being town, and I am not certain at all. I said I'd have to read his posts to form my own opinion. If this was some pot-meet-kettle comment, I don't follow.

I have decided to graverob.

I just got a message from someone about mowing a lawn, and it reminded me of this. I have decided it is the most pro-town thing that I can do, counteracting the natural janitorial process of non-flipping.

I will not be stating the insanities I am taking.

Frankly, I found this post disturbing. Back in #673 Furcolow refused to rob graves when he was offered the job, saying he had his own plan. Now we get a complete reversal, and no explanation why. His statement of not giving us his insanities looks even worse. He said he does not want the cult to track his insanities, and there are some the cult could take advantage of. So what, he does not need to take those. hitogoroshi made a sensible post about that, and Furcolow said he disagreed, with no reasoning at all.

Do we really want Furcolow on grave robbing duty? Someone once said that he would probably commit an insanity infraction sooner or later, and after seeing how he plays, I'm inclined to agree on that. It would only be a matter of time before Furcolow screwed up.

On the subject of Sadism.

Feysal

is their any reason you haven't placed a vote yet?

No reason related to game rules. Vote hopping is just not my style. I prefer to vote when I have a more solid case to act on, or if my vote is needed to secure a lynch at deadline. That said, the case on ReaperCharlie put together by Seacore and MoI looks compelling, but I'd still like to read his posts in ISO before placing my vote.

poison the well more feysal
why do you have to hate when i actually try to help the town?
i agree with vasudeva on insanities. i don't mind claiming how many i have, but i don't want the cult to know which ones i have.

If you are so sure, why are you not defending him with proper arguments? Your word alone does little to influence my opinion of him... though I've not yet really formed my opinion, I will have to read ReaperCharlie's posts to see where this wagon is coming from.

Feysal, meet DGB. DGB, meet Feysal.

This I don't get. El Goosuki said he was 100% sure of ReaperCharlie being town, and I am not certain at all. I said I'd have to read his posts to form my own opinion. If this was some pot-meet-kettle comment, I don't follow.

It was a joke. DGB rarely posts supporting evidence for reads. I was introducing the two of you.

Do we really want Furcolow on grave robbing duty? Someone once said that he would probably commit an insanity infraction sooner or later, and after seeing how he plays, I'm inclined to agree on that. It would only be a matter of time before Furcolow screwed up.

No, we want

his

grave to be

robbed

.

xvart.

why the hell do you NEED my grave robbed? if you're not an idiot, or cult, you should be willing to admit that i'm an investigator.

i realized i can continue through with my plan and still rob graves, basically, but if i need someone to help out i will ask.

No, we want

his

grave to be

robbed

.

????

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My initial reaction was "Why wouldn't he claim insanities?" but, thinking about it, what does the town get from knowing what insanities Furc took?

Feysal - so who would you suggest robbed graves instead of Furc? I know who I want to rob graves but I'll hear your idea first.

I don't care who you want to rob graves
I'm doing it
end of story
get over it if you don't like it, or perhaps i could give you a tissue?

My initial reaction was "Why wouldn't he claim insanities?" but, thinking about it, what does the town get from knowing what insanities Furc took?

I think Furcolow is a player we would need to keep an eye on, even when we trusted him to be town. Given how easily he confused Suicidal and Sadism above, he could easily get himself modkilled over an insanity infraction. I would prefer him to at least listen to advice on what insanities to take and when, to avoid screwing himself over.

Feysal - so who would you suggest robbed graves instead of Furc? I know who I want to rob graves but I'll hear your idea first.

Bad: Scummy player selected to rob grave, scum get corpse dust and equipment if we're

right

for the cheap cost of one insanity.
Good: Two townies players rob grave, no one gets anything as long as we're right on one of the two, two insanities.
Great: Townie we're sure of robs grave. Cultists not only get nothing, they have to take an insanity on the chin or else we get equipment, one insanity.

I've been thinking about Baby Spice and xvart. My reason is that they both claimed to have warded MoI, and I consider the odds of them both lying to be minimal. Ward would be dangerous to false claim unless you knew your claimed target was warded by someone else. If we have them both grave rob, that would satisfy what hitogoroshi called 'Good'. If one were lynched and flipped cult, I'd trust the survivor to rob graves alone, which would be 'Great'. I've had suspicions of them both, but lately xvart has looked much better compared to Baby Spice.

No.
I have a brain.
I can pick my insanities for my brain.
You can get over it along with AV. Tissue?

Hmm. I was just going to suggest that we let Hito do it >_>"

Your plan could work, but contrary to you, I'm wondering if cult sharing targets is actually a viable strategy. It gives 2 players a claimable night action for the price of 1 player that they then can't kill.

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Looking back at the noise/ward list, there's 5 players who claim to have made noise-making actions to four different players. There are 13 players who claim to have heard noise. 13 players, less 4 noise making targeted players, leaves

nine

unaccounted-for noises. I figure this could be explained by:
(a) some cult not fake-claiming ward on their craft fetish target
(b) some cult claiming to have heard noise when they didn't
(c) some wannabe murderers on the loose

What do people think the likeliest reasons are? I say reasons, because it has to be a combination of at least 2 of the above...and I think it could be a combination of all three =_="

First off, Hito isn't confirmed as town or anything at all. SURE, he is PRO-town, but he might be cult. I doubt that he is, but he really might be. I will do it. Considering his subversive plea to graverob, which RC and I picked up on, where he was baiting someone like me or you to be like "why don't YOU do it hito?", and you will realize that he might have a hidden agenda in relation to this (corpse dust?). I know I told feysal to not poison the well, and I'm sort of doing it here, but hito really isn't confirmed. that being said, i read him as town.

Well, I wouldn't mind delaying a day on checking for peoples insanities as a result of cult being able to take the one that delays a day and gives 2 insanities for 1. they might be not taking that, but if they had multiple people crafting 3 fetishes then that would be a good one to take if they thought they could get 'confirmed' by not having any insanities. "check me, i'm clean" then after the next night they have 2-3 when they were just 'cleared'.

I still think Lost Butterfly is town. Not so sure about Seacore.

I

do

think that rewq455 and kunkstar7 in particular could be scum.

I hate this post so fucking much
like i had a townread on this guy
and now i'm totes not sure

[Furcolow]

unvote;
vote: xvart

[Baby Spice]

If it's not mentioned under side effect then it isn't a side effect is it?

I planned to ward so read the rules for warding. You (and others) didn't plan to ward so didn't and no doubt were more concerned with being targeted than I was so concentrated on the hearing noise rules.

In SAII, warding caused noise, and the ruleset as written at the start of the game confirmed that interpretation.

and I disagree with you saying confirmed there, because I believe it wasn't.

But do you accept that AV's post was much clearer?

wow, you are STILL missing the point on this?
if you are town, i can honestly say you even make ME look good

I hadn't played an SA game before so read the rule for what I intended to do. You have played before and presumably assumed that the rules hadn't changed.

That's basically the point.

I'm not sure why others keep bringing it up.

[Furcolow]

um. actually, i read the rule afterwards, and was like.. why didn't i hear noise? was my ward offset by anothers ward? was it a weird result of percy changing my target? (i didn't know el goosuki was dgb/ellibereth)