Zachtown in the mountains (Game over TOWN WINS!)

[Sotty7]

I've been saying for awhile now that I think he is town. He has a tendency to get into trouble like this because he tends to play on emotions and will just knee jerk to everything. As scum he is much more composed.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

oh
well, if you know him on a personal level, what do you find his role to be?

YEAH, HAVING A LIFE IS SUCH A SCUMTELL

[Benmage]

Hey Pecry, I wish I was scum so I didn't have to read every word. Is it nice skimming?

Was this solely on the back of Nikanor's reaction? I haven't skimmed at all this game, nice try though.

Nope, it was done solely out of jealousy.

Interesting....I read what was in the sign-up thread. And didn't re-read what was in this thread. Some time passed, and the detail of instant flips slipped my mind. My last game with multiple lynches waited to the end of the day for flips. Although you honestly believing it a lie...is something i'll note.

So you're saying you read the rules the first time around carefully enough to notice the instant flips (because the doublelynch mechanics are shiny and new and it's the first question that came to my mind), and since forgot? It made much more sense when you were saying it was just a mistake. But now you've said you forgot, and this story shows up when I call you on it. Not buying it.

Lol, called me out on it? You make it sound like that means something. Why would I just be like, Oh I thought A then forgot about A thinking B, but now I remember A again…all on my own? Lol. And how does that not make sense… it’s actually quite simple.

No dumbass. I quote it to show that you misread the game, Or basically that you forgot about a key element of the game. Notice how I continuously call it to Percy's attention. Because he called out my forgetfulness as a lie. Which it clearly wasn't. Despite you somehow forgetting this game to be mountainous isn't even my point.

Except it's actually completely different. Jason says he misread the game. It's quite a bad misreading. Scummy? I don't think so. But he hasn't now, several posts into clearing up this misunderstanding, said he "forgot".
Your hysterical defence is noted.

Wow.... How does someone read this thread, and misunderstand it beign mountainous fantastic right off Percy....And its not scummy..because scum don't skim right? Wait... are you skimming Percy?

OK, I'll play along. How is this different to Benmage vs. IAI? Especially with the "forgot" comment.

What of the forgot comment.. it was further explaining a response to you actually thinking it was a lie…no one else suggested this…I didn’t just make it up whimsically… You’re really stretching here.

unvote vote Percy.

[Benmage]

Benmage, what are you exactly trying to say with post 227?

It looks like RC specifically says he doesn't think IAI is town. However he than goes to right off mine and IAI's exchange as town v town.

[Benmage]

I wasn't too big on the initial case on Jason, since I had made the same mistake in

forgetting

the roles.

Pecry

Humans….making errors? Like forgetting things??? Impossible. String me and mongoose up right now! LAL! Right Percy!!! Why aren’t you voting me anyways? You think lying is acceptable? That’s messed up.

[Dry-fit]

Why don't you buy the perfectly plausible explanation?

and post so I see he is lying. meaning he just admitted to lying.

This is not an intuitive thought process at all.

I am not happy with the way dry-fit is playing considering he's being wagonned. If he was really town, he would be providing a better defense for the accusations raised against him. Through ignoring them, he confirms them to be right and properly raised.

What accusations have I ignored?

I'm not sure I understand this RedCoyote wagon. Elmo why did you switch your vote to him? You hadn't voiced any suspicion of him prior to it, and gave no explanation.

[I Am Innocent]

Question for the group, did the following strike a nerve with anyone?

Where are you getting day talk from?

If I was one of three scum in this set up I'd want some day talk. The amount of mislynches needed would make me cry, double day or not.

What bothered me was 1) the topic of day talk. Never even crossed my mind. And 2) the thought of the amount of lynches "would make" her cry. Another thing I never contemplated as a townie.

Did anyone else here think along the same lines as Sotty?

[Benmage]

Question for the group, did the following strike a nerve with anyone?

Where are you getting day talk from?

If I was one of three scum in this set up I'd want some day talk. The amount of mislynches needed would make me cry, double day or not.

What bothered me was 1) the topic of day talk. Never even crossed my mind. And 2) the thought of the amount of lynches "would make" her cry. Another thing I never contemplated as a townie.

Did anyone else here think along the same lines as Sotty?

Nope. Lets look at a flawless math game. 10-3 on D2. 7-3 on D3. 4-3 D4...1 mislynch = gg.

D4 don't look too hard. Scum have a huge advantage in mountainous game imo.

[Sotty7]

IAI you realize that Nikanor brought that subject up right? I just believed that scum would have day talk in a double lynch game, but I'm not much of a set up person. Benmage brings up a good point, also I don't think town have won a mountainous game on these boards. I have recently been though a stretch where I had been scum a lot and I wasn't enjoying it as much as I used to, hence the "cry" part. But 3 scum v 13 townies doesn't sound like a fun time to me. I also told Zach that if he made me scum he better give me day talk or I would punch him. Of course he didn't say what he was going to do, but I'm not scum but I don't have to worry about it.

Why don't you buy the perfectly plausible explanation?

and post so I see he is lying. meaning he just admitted to lying.

This is not an intuitive thought process at all.

You realize that this still doesn't answer the question right?

Why

isn't it an intuitive thought process?

[Sotty7]

Benmage, what are you exactly trying to say with post 227?

It looks like RC specifically says he doesn't think IAI is town. However he than goes to right off mine and IAI's exchange as town v town.

Umm... I don't think so. Red was commenting that IAI isn't a wasted slot/town NOOB like you said. I think your twisting here.

I'm also not following your case on Percy. Like at all.

[RedCoyote]

Sotty is right on the above post.

I'll make a better post later. I'm a bit tired at the moment. I only came back because I forgot a vote count in another game.

[Nikanor]

It's easy and weak in my eyes because I have played a bunch of games with Jason. This is how he fails as a townie, he acts before he thinks. As scum he is much more calm and controlled. I don't agree anything he has done today is obv scum at all.

My vote is easy and weak because the meta you have after playing with jason offsite for years points to jason being town. Craplogick more.

IAI you realize that Nikanor brought that subject up right?

Sotty you realise that he's taking objection to your answer and not the subject itself, right? Deflect more.

I'm going to start my reread after dinner.

[Nikanor]

Bluh, lost a post (not that it was particularly spectacular anyway, but bluh all the same).

Anyway, I'm done my reread. Oso, Locke, Mina, IAI and Elmo are probably town. The RC wagon is meh, as I don't really find him suspicious. As far as I can tell the whole wagon is just based on gut and meta.
I still think that jason is scum, but Sotty's defense of jason is making me uneasy. I find Sotty scummy for her crappy reasoning for her vote on me and the fact that she hasn't moved her vote to a bigger wagon yet, despite saying that she wants a lynch within the next couple of days.

[Benmage]

Oh, wow I

forgot

this game was all vanilla/goon as well.

OMFG! The hits keep coming. Percy you nailed a whole scum team by now right?

[Benmage]

also, the town seems really really split on benmage

I noticed this as well. This IAI/Benmage thing is pretty divisive.

What do both of you think of IAI and myself. Please repeat if you've previously stated...i just wanna keep everything fresh.

ok,

i see above he is lying

.... Im happy with my vote. A claim like that could have outted a real cop.

Shouldn't you already know he was lying? What did you see?

Unvote

;

vote:jasonT1981

And how could a real Cop be outed in a mountainous game?

This is quite telling if you ask me.

I hate ambiguity. It leaves room later for wigglage....wigglage is scummy.

What is quite telling?

However, that does look like a slip by jason.

Unvote. Vote: jasonT1981

Easy wagoning

uhm... so when kingdavid says he forgot it means nothing, but when jason says he forgot it's a scumtell? Seriously?

I'm still happy with my vote.

No!...they're all lies...Gosh are following nothing....tell him Percy.

Only I'm allowed to WIFOM myself into finding town, because I'm the only one who does it right.

IDK NIK......I'm a bit of a wine connoisseur.

Unvote; Vote: Dry-fit

I think Jason's 'slip' is being blown way out of proportion and Dry-fit is trying to capitalise on that.

QFT

Had they been hidden, I would've pushed for a D1 only 1 lynch

.

I just proved a few posts earlier that one lynch a day is worse for town than two lynches a day, even if they are random.

The underlined above is scummy. It shouldn't matter whether a flip is revealed or not, we are still better off, ESPECIALLY D1, lynching the two most scummy looking people, even if we don't get an instant flip on the first player.

Disagree?

Disagree...your math is for computer randomization and doesn't account for humans. I take my skills first.

[Benmage]

I can get behind percy this game. His post feels really protown. I am another person who really likes the RVS. I disagree with his putting I Am Innocent in townreads, but not everyone is perfect.

Uhoh..here we go again.

Percy you should be renamed king of the VI’s.

This is poorly phrased. I do not think that Benmage not knowing about the instaflips is a tell either way, but I do think that his "forgetting" line was an unnecessary lie.

Meaning what?

Ben this was Mongoose's first official post of the game. (He had one other prior to the game officially starting)

Would you consider this filler posting Ben?

Also, please provide your top 3 suspects as soon as possible.

1. No
2. I'll get back to you.


Alright I think I

skimmed

...err read the stuff I was behind in.

Anyways my #1 lynch is Percy, but dry-fit and RC are both good lynches.

Will look into some fancy stuff soon.

[Benmage]

Alright new reads.
11. Benmage –town leader.
4. Elmo- Town
3. I Am Innocent –town
16. Mongoose-town
13. Oso –town
1. JasonT1981 –town
2. Sotty7 –slight town
6. Nikanor – null to slight town
7. RedCoyote -null
9. Mina -null
10. Furcolow –worth policying
15. KaleiÐoscøpe –null
12. Imkingdavid – null to scummy
5. Percy-100% scum
8. Locke Lamora-scum
14. Dry-fit - scum

[Furcolow]

i liked dry-fits #257
i liked a few of benmage's posts
i was about to change my vote to someone i dont want to say in case they will be suspicious of me
needless to say, i am going to trust sotty7 on this jason thing
ill move my vote to RC because i believe he may have been trying to buddy town in his most recent post

unvote
vote: redcoyote

[Benmage]

EBWOP: Kscope should read null to slight policying (don't iso him )

[Furcolow]

i meant 255

[Furcolow]

i am up for a wagon on kscope
i found his last post to be douche, unhelpful, and antitown

[Furcolow]

i am not really too comfortable with my RC vote really even
im not sure who scum are
ill take a +10 for wishy washy voting
i do that as town anyways
obviously

lets wagon kaleidoscope ben

[Benmage]

1 second.

[Furcolow]

checking your quicktime?
lol jk

[Benmage]

Checking the last votecount.

Let's go for Dry-fit...we have till the 12th for D1...we should leave 1 week for our second lynch atleast. A policy on Kscope could be easier to achieve in 1 week if need be.

unvote vote Dry-fit