Reckamonic's Ocarina of Time Mafia..OVER! Was Hyrule saved?

[Beefster]

MISS. I get to try again!

Maybe there

is

no shift.

Rolling Attack: Lady Lambdadelta's Wagon

[Beefster]

At least, no shift TODAY.

[Bunnylover]

Actually I think we need to get everyone to vote on their own wagon (to self vote)
That way we can see who already doesn't have a vote + we get to see who loses the votes instead of you trying to continue hitting a random wagon :<.
Yes or no to this?

[chesskid3]

Would a PGO kill a DAYCOP?
I'm just wondering. Does your role say like kills anyone who visits them at night? :/

[Bunnylover]

I think PGO (From what I heard) kills anyone who uses a skill on them, which if their is a shift then that skill would have not been used on said PGO.

[Beefster]

I had already suggested that idea, but I doubt we'd be able to get everyone to do that.

AFAIK, I'm not technically using my power on LLD. Just LLD's wagon.

[Bunnylover]

Yeah I know you suggested it, which is why I'm rebringging it up because it will allow us to know if the shift is one of three things:
1) A shift that is always activated and continual
2) A shift that is changing
3) A shift that the same but can be activated whenever
If we continue with you just randomly attacking a wagon hopeing to see a hit, it may takes ages for it to happen. If we have people voting others, then you will hit someone much more early on.

Vote: Bunnylover

I would really like it if everyone just follows suit and vote themselves or anyone who doesn't have a vote so we can get this information down.

[chesskid3]

Vote: Chesskid

Nameloc gets a pass on doing this if it would get him any more permanent votes

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It should be noted that in the most recent vote count, BE seems to have lost his double vote?

[Bunnylover]

It should be noted that in the most recent vote count, BE seems to have lost his double vote?

I don't remember that Be had a double vote :<

[Lady Lambdadelta]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p2594329

Look at BE's vote on me here, compared to this one from day 2.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p2600973

[Dekes]

Gee, sorry guys, very unexpected V/LA over the last couple of days. Halloween festivites right now. I'll catch up tomorrow.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mafuyu said earlier that the vote was the result of braking a requirement in Mafuyu's role. I could speculate as to the reasons that such a role would exist but I'd rather not without more information, at least. For now, don't mind nameloc. He'll be a danger to town when it gets closer to lylo, but not a risk at the moment.

I missed that. Thanks.

Ugh, this is gonna be another one of those 80 page days... isn't it? >.<

[chesskid3]

or we could quicklynch Dekes because he's scum

[nameloc1986]

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p2594329

Look at BE's vote on me here, compared to this one from day 2.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p2600973

What if the double vote had nothing to do with BE and it was because of someone else? I don't think we should automatically assume anything about BE's voting power (if there is one). This may will just take more time to look into it.

[Aikage]

sorry forgot about this game almos, been busy this week.

i told you guys fate was scum! ythan is his buddy clearly, if you read back you see that they never suspected eachotehr once and were trying to lead town!

plz vote for ythan today fate being scum should be enoough you guys should listen to me now. i wish my roll wasnt so dumb and i could vote

[chesskid3]

ITT: Aikage can't read.

[Bunnylover]

Chesskid, do you have any reason to support the Dekes claim?
LLD, thanks for pointing that out, I'm surprised I didn't notice it.
Aikage: Fate and Ythan (I think I can safely say) always act like that, their buddying. I don't think they would act so freaking buddying that you have to be a moron to miss their buddying. Am I saying that Ythan is not scum? No I am not saying that, but nor am I saying he is town. What I'm saying is that something else to needs to brought forward other then Fate + Ythan buddying, as I truely believe they are just good friends.

[chesskid3]

Fate was sk and his sk buddy suicided so uh no they are not "buddies" sheesh.
Also I pointed out some scumminess from Dekes earlier, but that was like page 30. I put him on my scumlist from then.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

sorry forgot about this game almos, been busy this week.

i told you guys fate was scum! ythan is his buddy clearly, if you read back you see that they never suspected eachotehr once and were trying to lead town!

plz vote for ythan today fate being scum should be enoough you guys should listen to me now. i wish my roll wasnt so dumb and i could vote

I'm sorry... but does anyone else see Aikage as a really fail Lyncher?

Like, I'm the person who spent all of yesterday raging at Ythan and calling him scum...

But this is like almost blatant lyncher talk.

First

off, Fate flipped SK, not scum. Slight difference, but a major one if you are arguing guilt by association.

Secondly

, can you show me evidence of WHY Ythan is scum? I know that I have presented some... but most of it is really subjective and circumstantial, and I'll admit that. I felt he was scum, from my perspective, but there was no real solid proof. You don't even have subjective evidence. You simply come out and claim him as scum. Present a case please.

Thirdly

, have you even scum hunted? This is about the 3rd time you've "apologized for not reading". All you have ever said is "YTHAN IS SCUM, I WISH I COULD VOTE HIM, EVERYONE VOTE FOR ME PLEASE". You haven't even looked at anyone else... It's almost like you're, I don't know, fixated on his lynch? Just sayin'

Just a note:

Does a lynch work in such a way, that they have to be the vote that HAMMERS the wagon?

Also, it HAS been shown that Aikage doesn't have a vote.... but only on people other than Ythan.

Maybe he has a vote that works ONLY on Ythan, or only when HAMMERING Ythan?

If I'm wrong about this speculation, please call me on it... but this seems fairly logical to me.

Another question:

Can lyncher targets be scum? Or are they generally town/third party?

[Substrike22]

I may have had something to do with UT's death.
@Chronopie & Substrike: Do you suspect any of your neighbors? If so, who are they? Don't worry about revealing roles; Neighbor Sleeper is ridiculously weak so you're not giving anything away.

Because Chronopie and Substrike, if town, should have been attacking at least one or two of the neighbors. If they were not attacking at least one of their neighbors, they are scum. It would give me a much better read on two of the main lynch candidates of the day.

merely a reveal that the person is one of the neighbors in question.

That's what I meant.

Rolefishing, much?

Chronopie: Yes you do. If you find somebody in your neighbor group suspicious, you should not hesitate to claim that they are your neighbor. It's that, or be lynched. Your choice.

And now threatening Chrono with a lynch if he doesn't reveal? Really now? Seems rather opportunistic, for a disagreement in opinion on how to handle a neighbor role...

The neighbors would know is unsealed, yes. The scum in the neighbors would also reveal to their partners, yes. I don't see how revealing who you suspect out of the neighbors is revealing all of them, though.

Oh! I just had a genius idea.

Everybody

:

Make a list of the top three players in this game that you'd want to have revealed as neighbors (including why gets you a free hug coupon that is redeemable at the end of the game) in order of preference.

#1 gets 3 points
#2 gets 2
#3 gets 1

The only part of this idea that I haven't completed is the point threshold. Nikanor, help me out here. I'm trying to figure out a number that'll limit the ability of scum to manipulate this. Any thoughts?

My idea is that, if any of the neighbors exceed the threshold, that they are revealed as a neighbor. This way, we avoid revealing people based upon chrono / substrike alone and, instead, get it off of the town's judgment. I don't exactly trust either of them to have good logic. Just sayin'

It's ok I don't trust you either.

Also substrike did you ever answer my case on you? I don't recall it. Do answer it.

I believe I may have somewhere, but I answered quite a few questions yesterday, from a variety of different people... so if you'll give me the post # I'll go look and answer, cause I can't find it and I'm not digging through 80 pages right now. I can do that this week after Wednesday, if you can't give me a post # by then... (University thesis due on Wednesday)

BE, voting masons = good idea... how?

I think they're all scum.

OR MAYBE THEY WANT ME TO THINK THEY'RE SCUM, SO THEY AREN'T ATTACKING ANYONE IN THEIR NEIGHBOR GROUP.

You're saying, "Tell us who you suspect in the group." Which lets everyone know who is in the group. I don't think this is info that needs to be let out right now. What you are saying the town would gain is not true.

Scenario 1: They are scum. They claim to be suspicious of one of their own. In your book, they get protown points and if that person is lynched scum it looks pretty good for the rest of them. That's how scum bussing works.

Scenario 2: There is a scum in their group. They suspect him. Just normal scumhunting that doesnt need to have his affiliation as a neighbor laid out.

Scenario 3: There is a scum in their group. They don't suspect him. We've outed neighbors for nothing.

Scenario 4: There is no scum in the group. We again, have outed neighbors for nothing and gone on a wild goose chase.

How again does this help the town any more than run of the mill scum hunting? It doesnt. You're looking for bonus info that helps you kill PRs before they hurt you.

QFT, right now.

Also, I find the discussion on Exilon's cop ability weird underdiscussed. I see this as a reliable opportunity to gain information if we can work out whether or not there's a "shift". I also find it strange that Exilon would attempt to make a fake claim like that, because if LLD flips town, he ends up in a world of trouble. So there are a few scenarios there.

1) Exilon is scum. LLD flips town, we lynch Exilon the next day (or he blames it on flavor spec/miller/etc.)
2) Exilon is town, LLD flips town, see above flavor spec, possibly caused by a shift to another person
3) Exilon is town, LLD is scum, tells us every "mason" is scum. Exilon, have you checked any of the other claimed masons? That'd pretty much resolve that...
4) Exilon is scum, LLD is scum, Exilon is busing the rest of team. (possible, not likely.)
5) Any other scenario I haven't thought of that someone else would like to bring up?


@ DTMaster post 2188 (p. 88), our neighbors suspect that there are scum among us. We feel a 6 person town voting block would be overpowered, and the fakeclaim speculation doesn't help the situation. Suffice to say there is not agreement among us as to the scum, but there is scum hunting within the quick topic and in the forum, between us.

Actually, let's do it this way: Everyone in the neighbor group, claim in your neighbor QT the names of the people who you think are scum, only out of the people in your neighborhood.
If one of the neighbors fails to produce or gives crappy reasoning or has only shown suspicions of that person now that I'm asking about it, I would appreciate a town neighbor coming forward with that information.
Now there's no reason to not carry through with this plan, since it doesn't reveal anything to the scums who already know everything anyway. Chronopie, you're in charge of making sure this gets done and telling me when it is done and the results.

Someone die and make you general? I don't like that we're just buying this mason claim when LLD has been seen as scummy and then Exilon comes forth with info that he has a guilty read on her. I think we should give Beefster his chance to identify a shift, it'll give us confirmed and usable information.

VOTE: Substrike22

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That was a block post full of nothing. Good job Substrike.

[Beefster]

VOTE: Beefster
Okay. We'll see if this tells us the shift.

[RayFrost]

Fate [KOUME],

Fire Witch Lover Copblocker Plant-Killer

, killed N1
Just A Bit Off-Center [KOTAKE],

Ice Witch Lover Jailkeeper Water-Killer

, committed suicide N1

It is now Day 2. Deadline is 3 weeks from this post.

[/b]

Okay guys, help me out here.

How in the fuck does this say that Fate flipped SK, especially when he's the same team as another person? I'm really just not understanding how you all came to such a completely stupid conclusion. There's no evidence that they are SK. We don't have role PMs just from this.

[chesskid3]

it's not blue