Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[Benmage]

Wraith, you lynch me and you guarantee two townies are dead on tomorrow. You don't and who knows what todays lynch brings.

So tomorrow, sure who have the dead townie by the cult. But you might also have some dead cult. Whereas lynching me = no dead cult.

[Seacore]

Here's a hypothetical fore you

Cultist A: RC, oh my god, you just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper. Go V/LA from the site for four days, and we'll see if we can swing another wagon in your absence

RC: Okay, good idea

[Andrius]

Please be able to take 'yes I think you're cool' when I imply that for an answer instead of talking about being rejected, Andrius.

Oh.
I got played. Played like I've never been played before. And it

sucked

still sucks.

@ Seacore: Can we not advocate someone murdering a confirmed townie right now? Thanks.
@ Seacore: Yeah, but he cannot WIN without successful murders. So he becomes a "SK" but cannot win without actually KILLING people. THAT is what we can prevent.

[Wraith]

Another metaphor:

You don't bring a container with a highly contagious, very deadly virus into the middle of your house and let it sit there. You fucking BURN IT.

[Seacore]

Wraith, all of your metaphors exist under the principle that nothing else is going on. So please stop posting them.

[Wraith]

EBWOP: Because if you don't burn it, zombies will fucking eat you. Let's be genre savvy here, please.

[Plum]

...

Wraith. You fail. Please go to the back of the class and don't make me break out the dunce cap.

[Benmage]

No Benmage, I'm hoping somebody stalks and kills you.


And Wraith, I have faith that somebody will rez Fate. I also believe cult could potentially kill Fate on top of that, so it's not One is less than Two.

^Cult claim.

@hito: I've played enough game's that I'd consider myself experienced. Benmage would have been lynched by PAGE TWELVE if the town were half-sane.

I guarantee this playlist's average = >wraith. But that doesn't take into account whose scum.

[SpyreX]

SpyreX, I did not meta you, so don't fake-accuse me or dismiss me as having done so. The bad feelings about your play are there regardless. The tunneling on AV when there were plenty of other players questionable in comparable ways (If you like Seacore, fine, but as far as I can recall we had multiple players acting badly around the Furc issue - MoI continuously trying to discredit Furc, Baby Spice dancing around early with FOSes and such, then going back on his vote out of too-scummy-to-be-scum in a highly weird and counterintuitive fashion, multiple others) . . . and you tunnel on AV almost exclusively at first?

(You did start this out saying it was the same as X so don't you start with me missy. )

That's the thing though.

The only thing about MoI that bothers me in that exchange is the fact he started Fur hate

before

anything happened. He's been consistent with it aside from that enough that while I'm not stoked to the rafters I have a hard time seeing the pieces fall into place.

Baby Spice doesn't bother me about the Furc things NEAR as much as some of the other pieces.

But, the one that stands out? AV, now and forever.

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I want to make sure I've got this straight hit because while you're awesomeo I'm having a major disconnect:

Why would Fate run up the bus and then abandon it? Further, considering Ben's amazing attitude this game a Fate-ran bus doesn't do any good because Ben's made it abundantly clear that he's killing Fate regardless. If anything, in a Fate-scum scenario here I'd say RC is town.

However, I STILL think Fate is town. I really don't like/get the Ben-cult motif because that's not happening but, very clearly, ben's made it abundantly clear he's taking the kill and if he doesn't he's prepping to do this business all over again tomorrow.

THATS why Ben dies. He's playing both sides with it every step of the way.

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But SpyreX is on Benmage? SpyreX is on Benmage?

YES I AM AND DONT BE SURPRISED ABOUT IT

[Seacore]

Andrius raises an awesome point.

Wraith, if we let Benmage make his attempt and we get somebody to Rez it, we effectively disarm the potential murderer while saving a two townies!

That is why someone would have to be stupid to not rez Fate.

[Wraith]

@Seacore: Fine, let's factor it in:

You have a highly contagious, very deadly virus in a container. You have brought it into your house. At the same time, people are shooting at you inside your house. How is that a smart idea?

In the movies, viral apocalypses occur when someone says "oh don't worry, we can control it!"

[Benmage]

@ Seacore: Can we not advocate someone murdering a confirmed townie right now? Thanks.
@ Seacore: Yeah, but he cannot WIN without successful murders. So he becomes a "SK" but cannot win without actually KILLING people. THAT is what we can prevent.

oooo second part is sexy, showing how much harder Murder WC is.

Sea why don't you just stalk and kill me buddy.

[Wraith]

Problem is, I am the only one I can rely on to rez Fate. And I don't have a rez kit. If I had a Rez Kit, I would be advocating this tomorrow isntead, but look, I don't. So I'm burning the virus before someone catches it.

[Benmage]

@Seacore: Fine, let's factor it in:

You have a highly contagious, very deadly virus in a container. You have brought it into your house. At the same time, people are shooting at you inside your house. How is that a smart idea?

In the movies, viral apocalypses occur when someone says "oh don't worry, we can control it!"

Because inside the house you have the vaccine whereas the people outside shooting at you dont.

Bam.

[Seacore]

@Seacore: Fine, let's factor it in:

You have a highly contagious, very deadly virus in a container. You have brought it into your house. At the same time, people are shooting at you inside your house. How is that a smart idea?

In the movies, viral apocalypses occur when someone says "oh don't worry, we can control it!"

Dont' be a twit.

[Andrius]

Andrius raises an awesome point.

*bows*

STOP THE METAPHORS. THEY ARE NOT HELPING.

[Wraith]

^Horrible horrible failure.

Fuck it, murder each other. I'm not going to help you.

[Seacore]

Hito: I'd like you to repost your Night 1 cheat sheet.

Can you also add, that over rezing Fate is a great idea. As it'll potentially neutralise cult's kill as well, or at the very least, keep them guessing?

[hitogoroshi]

@hito: I've played enough game's that I'd consider myself experienced. Benmage would have been lynched by PAGE TWELVE if the town were half-sane.

What did I just say about passive-aggressive sniping? You're ignoring my point and resorting to an appeal to authority that

you don't even have.

We're in a game with Plum, Spyrex, VP, Triglav, Trilobite, etc., and you're just insulting all of us while throwing out unfitting analogies. Speaking as both the High King of Analogies and someone cognizant of how good some of these players are, this displeases me.

Benmage is not some lurking virus. He clearly doesn't want to go murderer, and even if he does, he won't be able to. The main opposistion to Benmage murdering is if you think Fate is townie. I used to think that, so I opposed it; now I do not think that, so I do not. If you wish to argue to the contrary, feel free to do so, but cut out the bad analogies and insults without substantiation.

Why would Fate run up the bus and then abandon it? Further, considering Ben's amazing attitude this game a Fate-ran bus doesn't do any good because Ben's made it abundantly clear that he's killing Fate regardless. If anything, in a Fate-scum scenario here I'd say RC is town.

He ran it up and abandoned it because it was a bus, and why bus when you can mislynch a townie and save your cult-buddies a rez kit instead? I suppose it's vaguely possible that Fate was hopping from one mislynch to another that saved his team a rez kit, but it was such an absurdly awkward switch that the stakes seem too high for just "from one misylnch to another, slightly better mislynch." More importantly, let's suppose he got Benmage now and RC tomorrow. If RC flipped scum, that'd damn near 'confirm' Fate, and there'd be no Benmage to murder him. That's another plausible explanation I can see for the switch.

Hito: I'd like you to repost your Night 1 cheat sheet.

Can you also add, that over rezing Fate is a great idea. As it'll potentially neutralise cult's kill as well, or at the very least, keep them guessing?

I will repost the Investigator's Reference in a bit here (with the Andrius change - speak up if you have any idea for other changes.) However, I think it might be better if Benmage murders Fate and NO ONE rezzes. The only way the cult can stop the "fate was murdered" message would be to Rez Fate themselves. cult using a rez kit > townies using rez kits.

[Benmage]

Fuck it. I've decided not to kill fate tonight. I'm PTW. Too many people have him listed as town. Too many people might rez him. Too many insanities.

Lynch me if you think everything was Wine.

I don't think Fate is town.

[hitogoroshi]

What if we give you a clear shot with no townies rezzing?

[Benmage]

What if we give you a clear shot with no townies rezzing?

I'd take it, lol duh.

[Seacore]

I will repost the Investigator's Reference in a bit here (with the Andrius change - speak up if you have any idea for other changes.) However, I think it might be better if Benmage murders Fate and NO ONE rezzes. The only way the cult can stop the "fate was murdered" message would be to Rez Fate themselves. cult using a rez kit > townies using rez kits.

Yeah, I can see your point on that. It all comes down to whether you think Fate is town or not. In my opinion he is town, and his feud with Benmage has just finally flicked a switch and he's not acting rationally anymore. Although I'll accept he's not as obv town as I felt he was before.

So maybe the advice is something like "if you think fate is town, rez him" cultists still won't be able to guarantee it and they may waste their rez kits anyway.

[Seacore]

What if we give you a clear shot with no townies rezzing?

I'd take it, lol duh.

You will not get all town to agree to this.

[Benmage]

What if we give you a clear shot with no townies rezzing?

I'd take it, lol duh.

You will not get all town to agree to this.

QFT.