Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[Seacore]

What if we give you a clear shot with no townies rezzing?

I'd take it, lol duh.

You will not get all town to agree to this.

QFT.

And in fact, it doesn't matter. Benmage cannot be trusted to not kill either. So the whole thing still stands, just with even more double and triple guessing for town and scum alike.

[Wraith]

What if we give you a clear shot with no townies rezzing?

You're scum. You're next, tomorrow.

[Benmage]

And in fact, it doesn't matter.

Benmage cannot be trusted to not kill either

. So the whole thing still stands, just with even more double and triple guessing for town and scum alike.

I can't believe you're still on this whole benmage not town route....but I guess cult need something to talk about to look town.

[Benmage]

What if we give you a clear shot with no townies rezzing?

You're scum. You're next, tomorrow.

I'm sorry, but i actually did chuckle to myself.

I think hito is most players #1 town read. Am I wrong here?

[Plum]

Wraith. Meet dunce cap.

Go to the corner for a time out.

[Benmage]

Sea, LAL...We can and should easily test me for blood if Fate dies/ has a kill attempt/rezkits used.

[Fate]

Benmage, post the bolded that Lost Butterfly asked and I will reveal something that will end this day in a modkill.

And explain everything that has happened.

[Plum]

Why a Modkill, pray?

[Fate]

Hito your case ignores many things, JUST like Benmage's.

You must respond to all the questions toward Benmage, as you and YOU alone are thinking Fatescum now with Benmage.

Show me the logical progression where my cult buddies don't protect me N0, show me WHY if I am suddenly abadoning my "RC bus" did I choose BENMAGE, someone who most everyone has thought as town up until this point.

I could've hopped on the Xvart wagon, the MoI wagon, and expounded the case on either of them.

The motivation behind my actions is clear, I want to live and the only way to guarantee that is to get Benmage to promise not to kill, or lynch him. Yes self-preservation, but self-preservation of someone who is widely regarded as TOWN and competent is not a bad thing.

[Fate]

I do not know how Percy will handle this Plum, but it will not be pretty.

[Seacore]

I can't believe you're still on this whole benmage not town route....but I guess cult need something to talk about to look town.

I don't trust you not to kill fate, even as town. I've seen you lie before as town.

[Wraith]

I can't believe you're still on this whole benmage not town route....but I guess cult need something to talk about to look town.

I don't trust you not to kill fate, even as town. I've seen you lie before as town.

Then lynch him, dammit. Prevent it before it's too late.

[Fate]

My stances on Reaper have been made clear. In contrast to Benmage I think that Ben's motivations are far more cult-like than Reaper's. I was just producing a wagon counter to Reaper's for all those unhappy with that wagon.

I want everyone in the town to play a game. It's called "Read Fate's ISO pages five and six." Look at that ReaperCharlie hate. There's wagons, there's ragecaps, the works. Then look at his case on Benmage. Whoops! That's not actually a thing! Because he says FUCK ALL about Benmage, and his posts before that suggest that he thinks Benmage is an investigator (particularly his fears that Benmage will still murder him tonight).

The ReaperCharlie case was starting to look delicious. I figured I owed it to him to at least do an involved wagon analysis to assuage my doubts about it's dubious beginnings before I voted for him. I was about to dig in - and suddenly here's Fate with the switcheroo. He's selling us bullshit and telling us it's ice cream cake. But I went to Dairy Queen and wouldn't you know it, they don't have any Benmage Cult there. And the really goddamn weird thing is, Fate had just spent two pages of ISO telling us about this great RC Cult cake that actually WAS cake.

So I was thinking - why?

The answer sounds a little insane, but hear me out. I think RC and Fate are scumbuddies.

ISO 94, Fate pings RC. He hits a lot of people on that list. Scuffles with RC a bit, and then votes in ISO 101. I especially love the line "well if you're gonna make it VIABLE", or, as I chose to interpret it, "well if you're gonna HOLD ME ACCOUNTABLE FOR MY FAKE SUSPICION."

This isn't a direct translation and is COMPLETE BULLSHIT. NO ONE called me out on my suspicion and said "why aren't you voting RC" I voted his wagon because it was VIABLE. This is a huge twist of words.

For posterity.

ISO 123, Fate hops over to Plum because of history involving another game that he thinks will look plausible. Unfortunately, we call him out on it and in ISO 127 he's back on.

This was become that game just ended, and it was to test for reactions of Plum and Spy. I don't remember anyone "Calling me" out on it, but I had been planning to go back to the RC wagon the whole time.

This wagon is out of Fate's control, now. And if Fate was being truthful about his suspicion on RC, that'd be awesome! This day has gone on far too long (Fate expressed a desire to finish D1 in less than 50 pages) and look, that guy you spent dozens of posts calling for the lynch of is getting lynched. This is NOT awesome if Fate and RC are scumbuddies, though, because then Fate no longer has control over the wagon. He's gotta hit the brakes or this bus is gonna go all the way.

Guess which one happens?

I have already said that if I wanted to stop the RC wagon, a Benwagon was not the way to go. A Benwagon is to stop his nightkilling insanity, hence "Rally to restore sanity" point of the whole thing.

Poor Fate. You're going to the rally, so you don't have the time to push this counter-wagon! As a compromise, he makes sure to immediately unvote and loudly proclaim that a counter-wagon is coming. This pretty much stops the RC wagon in it's tracks. Here's the thing, though -

why the hemorrhaging fuck

are you looking to create a viable alternative to the RC wagon? If you think the people wagoning RC are town, then the people on the sidelines have a lot of scum in their ranks. Why exactly are you appealing to THEM?

There are townies on the sidelines as well. By definition more likely more town than cult, so this point is null and is really stretching.

A lot of people (myself included, before this Benmage fiasco) had Fate on their townlists. If Benmage didn't murder him, well golly gee, Fate had a decent chance of making it to endgame. That would be why he tried to disarm the knife pointing at his heart with 1516. I don't understand why everyone thinks that 1516 is a good case. It's bringing up a bunch of old shit from the days when Fate's read was "Ben is a town clown." The same posts that first lead Fate to believe he had to stop Benmage murdering him suddenly read cult. It tries too hard.

SO. You agree that people would have called me obvtown until endgame, so WHY derail a wagon on my BUDDY instead of just shutting up, continuing to bus, and rez kitting me at night to save me?

Because cult wants to save a rez kit

You're fucking kidding me right? I would ruin my dayplay as cult by derailing my buddy's wagon that I HELPED START to save a fucking piece of equipment? ALSO you need to explain why I wasn't warded N0 by them to save a rez kit.

But I mean...ReaperCharlie? Who the hell is that guy? He's gone - and golly gee, what a good time to not show up so Fate can tactfully ignore your existence as long as possible. But hey, no one is talking about RC, so GAWSH I guess we gotta lynch Benmage now huh?

No. We are hopping the fuck back on the ReaperCharlie wagon. Fate, if you're actually a townie, you're coming with. Your Benmage case is skeevy as hell and Ben is much, much less likely cult than RC. The fact that as town you'd have to not see this makes me think the chance is kinda slim, but there you go.

No, I'm not. This day will end differently as I said.

TLDR: If ANYONE is bussing RC it is now Hito, because he is drawing direct lines from me to RC and

assuming RC will flip scum.

I mean seriously, did the almighty TOWNHITOGOD even ONCE say "but if RC flips scum, don't shoot Ben." No. He doesn't, he's drawing lines when he SHOULDN'T be because the "connection" I have made to his scumbuddy is so clear.

He is ALSO ignoring ALL other evidence that points to me being town (which I have outlined pretty clearly, as well as others, in defense against Benmage) and lets this "SUPPOSED CONNECTION" take precedence as damning evidence against me.

Your opportunism will be your downfall Hito.

And lets NOT forget RC's earlier FoS on Hito. This could easily be distancing early, since it was so out of place and odd.

[Seacore]

I can't believe you're still on this whole benmage not town route....but I guess cult need something to talk about to look town.

I don't trust you not to kill fate, even as town. I've seen you lie before as town.

Then lynch him, dammit. Prevent it before it's too late.

I'm going to say this one last time Wraith, I believe Fate will be rezzed at least once. Whether or not Benmage kills, there's confusion for both town and cultists. A single rez kit will remove the possibility of Benmage-murderer from the game.

I will no longer respond to any more of these comments from you, they're just inflating the thread count.

[Fate]

Hito needs to respond, then Benmage needs to post promising either way, then I will PM the mod and explain in thread why a modkill needs to occur.

[Benmage]

I can't believe you're still on this whole benmage not town route....but I guess cult need something to talk about to look town.

I don't trust you not to kill fate, even as town. I've seen you lie before as town.

This is true. And I think my lie, I caught scum there? Maybe? But it is ironic that you convinced me not to kill Fate. Who knows how many people rez fate. Say 3? All get bloody, all get insanities. I get an insanity. Fate lives...we all have to waste the next night laundering. How can I ever claim that thats a good town move or PTW. And you of all people cannot say I do not like to PTW.

Therefore we can save 20 pgs of trying to get me lynched on the premise that I'd kill Fate tonight. For if I do we can string my ass up in 1 pg after I get checked for blood. Seeee how easy this is.

FATE

I'm not killing you tonight. Stop the self-preservation, vote RC.

Wraith, you're voting me because you think Fate is town and I will go murder? Clearly delaying a night kill means you have more time before I'd go murder or you'd have to deal with that issue, so vote elsewhere....ANND you'll get so much more support another day if I am lying...LAL...so lets not waste 20 more pgs on this issue while we near pg 70.

Spy, your only reason for voting me is the premise that I'd be killing Fate, right? Well i'm not. So....yeah.

[Benmage]

Hito needs to respond, then Benmage needs to post promising either way, then I will PM the mod and explain in thread why a modkill needs to occur.

I dont understand this... why do I want to be modkilled?

I'll tell ya this much I promise not to kill you. Cool?

[Fate]

What if we give you a clear shot with no townies rezzing?

You're scum. You're next, tomorrow.

I entrust my Hito suspicions to you Wraith, no matter what happens tonight.

Hito's plan to get two townies dead tonight (i.e. painting me as RC's scumbuddy either so that Ben will take a clear shot OR so I will be the next lynch lined up) is about as scummily motivated as hell.

Especially since Hito's entire case is contingent on RC flipping scum, he should DOUBLY not be directing town rezzers this way. Especially because if he thinks I'm cult, my cult buddies will use a rez kit anyway. His "don't waste a rez kit" reasoning is weak as hell.

[Furpants_Tom]

Hito needs to respond, then Benmage needs to post promising either way, then I will PM the mod and explain in thread why a modkill needs to occur.

Please wait for the Mod's response to your PM before posting anything in thread. If you make this game unplayable after more than 1600 posts, you will be responsible for one of the worst mental health terror attacks this planet has yet seen.

[Benmage]

Fate, prior to hito calling you scum with RC wasn't he like you #1 town read?

[Wraith]

My personal suspicion on Hito is that he was still considering the already-debunked-as-utterly-insane plan of allowing Benmage to kill you, and then elaborating further by considering that we simply allow you to die without a rez at all. That's why he jumped to my attention, it's not me being stupid.

[Fate]

Ok Benmage, your promise is taken, sealed, and locked in. You aren't getting modkilled, someone else likely (maybe even myself as well as XXXX).

Unvote:

I don't know how Percy will handle this situation. But I want Hito to weigh in and a few others on Hito's case on me before this day ends like that.

@Furpants: It is not game breaking. It will not ruin EVERYTHING, it is a minor thing that will end likely in only one/two modkills.

@Ben: He was acting incredibly townlike, and had a lot of town like motivations prior to this yes. However this post against me, and for all the reasons I have mentioned, has the clear motivation of drawing a line between myself and a Reaper flip, when that Reaper flip has NOT YET happened. So now I see a very strong connection between the two, not enough to vote him or put him on my scumlist, but enough to take note and for him to lose his town read.

Note how even in "RC town" scenarios he paints me as scum, trying so desperately to get myself saved. Like I said his response to my "why would I go to such lengths to save a rezkit for my cult buddies" will determine a lot. I just don't like his post-and hence his excuse-to jump on the RC wagon one bit at all.

Note that's what I say "enough to lose his town read" NOT "Benmage take the shot tonight kill him." Not once did Hito say "if RC flips scum, Ben should take the shot, no townies should rez."

[hitogoroshi]

Show me the logical progression where my cult buddies don't protect me N0,

Obviously they didn't. Mayhap some of your in-thread anger towards Benmage is directed at your scumbuddies who dropped the ball? I don't see it at all hard to believe that no one on your scumteam took Benmage seriously enough to divert from the usual cult actions.

show me WHY if I am suddenly abadoning my "RC bus" did I choose BENMAGE, someone who most everyone has thought as town up until this point.

He was lurking, he's unpopular, you clearly were able to write a giant wall about him, and the case was clearly convincing to quite a few people.

The motivation behind my actions is clear, I want to live and the only way to guarantee that is to get Benmage to promise not to kill, or lynch him. Yes self-preservation, but self-preservation of someone who is widely regarded as TOWN and competent is not a bad thing.

This is completely true, which is why I posted this:

@Fate: It's undeniable that there is a level of self-preservation in your case on Benmage. Separate the elements of personal survival from it. I don't want to know how good you think it is that he dies - I want to know how likely you think he is to be cult. Give me both an absolute value, and a value relative to ReaperCharlie. Don't lie.

I gave you a chance to take this out. You instead replied that Benmage looked scummier than RC. You can't scramble for this escape now, because I made sure to check this blind spot before I started.

TLDR: If ANYONE is bussing RC it is now Hito, because he is drawing direct lines from me to RC and assuming RC will flip scum. I mean seriously, did the almighty TOWNHITOGOD even ONCE say "but if RC flips scum, don't shoot Ben." No. He doesn't, he's drawing lines when he SHOULDN'T be because the "connection" I have made to his scumbuddy is so clear.

Bwahahaha. Yes, I think the odds that RC will flip scum are very good. Remember that great case you were pushing like a couple of days ago? The one Furpants made even sweeter? Am I now scummy for believing this case?

And let me get this straight - now you're saying

I'm

bussing RC? cool story bro

Note how even in "RC town" scenarios he paints me as scum, trying so desperately to get myself saved. Like I said his response to my "why would I go to such lengths to save a rezkit for my cult buddies" will determine a lot. I just don't like his post-and hence his excuse-to jump on the RC wagon one bit at all.

What I actually said was:

I suppose it's vaguely possible that Fate was hopping from one mislynch to another that saved his team a rez kit, but it was such an absurdly awkward switch that the stakes seem too high for just "from one misylnch to another, slightly better mislynch.

I don't really believe you'd go to such lengths to save a rezkit for your buddies. That's the point. I think that the only explanation for your hop from RC to Benmage is that the former was a bus. I was addressing that hypothetical because Spyrex said he thought you scum-RC town would make more sense in that scenario. I disagreed, but I still proffered up what *could* be an explanation for you scum-RC town. I don't think it's a likely one, and nor do I think that you being a townie and wanting to disarm this amazing wagon you set up makes sense. That's why I believe you and RC are scumbuddies.

Note that's what I say "enough to lose his town read" NOT "Benmage take the shot tonight kill him." Not once did Hito say "if RC flips scum, Ben should take the shot, no townies should rez."

We don't learn RC's flip until D2. Murder has to be done the night after the stalk. I guess that's a moot point, though, since Ben is apparently not following through on the stalk. I think it would be better for him to Murder, but it only takes a single townie rez to cock up the whole thing.

[VasudeVa]

Guess I'm back on the MoI wagon.

Plz lynch MoI if u dun liek teh RC wagon. Thx.

Vote: MoI

(PS: Wraith would be scum if rewq wasn't so Town. Stop being silly Wraith.)

@Andy: I was planning on getting forensics eventually anyway.

[Fate]

Obviously they didn't. Mayhap some of your in-thread anger towards Benmage is directed at your scumbuddies who dropped the ball? I don't see it at all hard to believe that no one on your scumteam took Benmage seriously enough to divert from the usual cult actions.

You see that I got 5 people to vote Benmage on command. If you were clearly thinking this through as a townie, why in your right mind would you think

that I would not have the clout to get cult to do as I say N0, especially with the clarity of Ben's threats.

Bwahahaha. Yes, I think the odds that RC will flip scum are very good. Remember that great case you were pushing like a couple of days ago? The one Furpants made even sweeter? Am I now scummy for believing this case?

And let me get this straight - now you're saying I'm bussing RC? cool story bro

Cool story? That's what Reaper said to dismiss a case. If Reaper is scummy for it, you are now as well. You have no other way to refute it now that I have seen through your motivations, as because you chose to direct this twisted case on ME (the wrong guy I might add scum always get caught trying to push a case on me), they are crystal clear to me.

I don't really believe you'd go to such lengths to save a rezkit for your buddies. That's the point. I think that the only explanation for your hop from RC to Benmage is that the former was a bus. I was addressing that hypothetical because Spyrex said he thought you scum-RC town would make more sense in that scenario. I disagreed, but I still proffered up what *could* be an explanation for you scum-RC town. I don't think it's a likely one, and nor do I think that you being a townie and wanting to disarm this amazing wagon you set up makes sense. That's why I believe you and RC are scumbuddies.

As I asked, why Benmage who was widely regarded as town? Why not Xvart or MoI? They were much easier lynches to push. Please comment on this before Percy comes in. You dodged one of my points Hito, not good.

We don't learn RC's flip until D2. Murder has to be done the night after the stalk. I guess that's a moot point, though, since Ben is apparently not following through on the stalk. I think it would be better for him to Murder, but it only takes a single townie rez to cock up the whole thing.

[/quote]
Only a single townie rez? Why doesn't

a single cult rez

fuck up the whole thing? You seem to be "omitting" this detail, most likely because you know that I am not cult and have no buddies that could use it.


To properly refute your case I will have to post the damning information:

"The real reason I tried to derail the RC wagon"-by Fate.

Reaper and I are in a hydra together in another game. In our Hydra QT he posted a comment on this game, which made me believe he was town.

It is only fair to town to know why my stance on him changed (out of game occurrences), but balance wise it is not very good as a RCmodkill (and if he flips cult) confirms that I am not cult with RC (because RC was talking to me outside the game, and if we were cult together there would be no issue.) This is why I think that maybe Percy will modkill us both, which would be really regrettable because I had no involvement with RC posting what he did in our QT, and had no way to stop him. Yet I might have to suffer for it.

We will see how Percy handles this issue. I am PMing him now with the Hydra QT link (not posting it here for obvious reasons, nor even the quote), and see what happens.

I am sorry town that this had to happen. I wish I had some power to stop it.

Benmage's reasoning to finally stop the kill (so many insanities) have come across as townie. I no longer think he is cult.

Which means both my RC/Ben (unless what RC posted was complete WIFOM and he does flip cult) suspicions were wrong, and I was off.

However if RC flips cult and I am modkilled as well, these are my parting words for town:
Hito is scum. Please. A secret to my meta if you need more persuasion: I am very good at countering bunk arguments. That is why I shine best when scum try to get me lynched-and scum usually always do-either for "loud postings" "anti-town behavior" or what have you, I see right through it. The RC/Hito connection is very clear to me. If RC flips town than Hito's "link" was fabricated for him to jump on the town mislynch wagon AND hopefully persuade Ben to take the shot while no one rez's. If RC flips cult than you can see it was clearly to salvage the bus by drawing connections to me as well.

Be wary of Hito. Maybe not tomorrow, or the next day, or the next day, but he needs to be lynched before LyLo. Don't blindly ward/protect him at night. Investigate him for blood+insanities every once inawhile, etc. etc. Make him do a stalk/kill to confirm himself.

Remember most importantly of all: No one is confirmed until they flip.