Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[Benmage]

I'm down to rob grave...but if I have the most insanities....isn't it bad if I rob graves and add to them?

[Wraith]

Also, @Furc: Why don't you want me robbing?

And Benmage, claim your target if you haven't already.

[Seacore]

I have no clue the ins and outs of this game, but seacore how can you rationalize thinking pass fetish immunes you for the rest of the games.

Granted it would make it a dumber move for the cult, but that interpretation of the rule isn't game breaking. Particularly if cult were going to try and suggest I'm lying. Anyway, I just checked.

I'm down to rob grave...but if I have the most insanities....isn't it bad if I rob graves and add to them?

Your insanities are your fault, you'll finally do what is best for town and rob graves despite the huge insanitiy level it will give you.

[Furcolow]

Out of the list, who do you want to rob Furc?

Also, I personally want Benmage on the robbing list...that was more of an example than anything else. Though Baby Spice completely ignoring it makes me definitely think she should stay on it. I can see Baby Spice cult trying to get out of robbing by saying nothing and hoping the list changes.

fate.
his alignment is totally up in the air to me, i'm sorry so many people are like "OMG HE'S TOWN". I don't buy it. People didn't believe me about LB, they didn't believe me about fate, and they didn't believe me about SeaCore/BabySpice.

Are all these people scum? Surely not. I don't have a list of who all is scum.

I want to only rob one grave, so I can use my rez kit. I am only going to rob one grave, so I can use my rez kit. I would like for everyone to dispatch fate for me. If people won't agree to this, I will rob the grave of the person we lynch. ezpz.

[Benmage]

Sea, I already agreed.

Wraith, don't talk to me.

[VP Baltar]

I'm down to rob grave...but if I have the most insanities....isn't it bad if I rob graves and add to them?

Basically what Seacore said. You had a chance last night to do the right thing and you chose to stalk again instead. Frankly, I don't trust you anymore because Fate getting modkilled was your chance to change your path and you're still on this killing kick. I know you can be a good scum hunter, but there's still a chance even you can be wrong and I don't think we need to be willy nilly murdering townies at this point when we could have lost up to three already.

[Furcolow]

Also, @Furc: Why don't you want me robbing?

And Benmage, claim your target if you haven't already.

1) you might be cult, and i don't want you paired with babycultspice if so.. easy corpse dust
2) if you are an investigator, as I believe and hope, I don't want you to gain insanities
3) I believe you are a good town player sometimes who could be beneficial in other ways


I'm kind of scared benmage stalked me
Also, who do you all believe murdered LB?

[Benmage]

I wouldn't mind a fate reveal either, he's by no means 100% town and moreover I want to see if he got those books.

[Furcolow]

vote: benmage

claim your target or die

[Benmage]

VPB what's not to trust. I've hid nothing. I delayed more the whole "murder" path. I'm going to kill tonight. The following night I will launder and than who knows but feel free to test me for blood...what will I be a murderer on D20?

I will also rob grave if that's what the deal is.

You may be wary of my target. Fine. But my alignment should not be in question.

[Benmage]

vote: benmage

claim your target or die

Good luck.

[Furcolow]

you make me believe you stalked me with that line

[Triglav]

CD2

Username: Triglav
Did you Hear Noise? Yes
Did you Ward? If so, who? No
Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions? No
List all of the insanities you currently have: None
Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who? Nope
Were you murdered? Nope
Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result? (Note that these are both poor N1 choices.) Aaand no.
Twitch? No

Waiting on word for RC/Fate dispatches from other heads, but this one is ok with both due to the fact that the flips coming sooner or later is better in my eyes.

Confused on the yes/no list for grave robbing, seeing a lot of crossfire here. Who are leaning towards sending atm?

[Wraith]

He didn't stalk you Furc. The town cemented your alignment yesterday.

[Wraith]

EBWOP: It's far more likely that the cult crafted you since everyone thinks/knows you're town now. I wouldn't be surprised if you were their target for tonight.

[AurorusVox]

Mod: do dead people still gain insanities from their own insanity-causing night actions if they were killed before/simultaneous to said action?

Dead people can pick up Insanities right up to when they die.

So essentially this means LB's insanity was probably not from being a member of the cult (since the ritual resolves after murder he wouldn't have gotten the insanity from it), unless he triple-fetished N0 (very unlikely).

Based on how the Commune skill works (insanity coming after Commune) and what Vi said above, I believe that the side-effects of a night action resolve after the effect has resolved; which means that he could have stalked/murdered on consecutive nights but not gotten the insanity from the murder action. So don't write off a foiled murder attempt just yet.

With the above rule clarification, and since some people have received Fetishes, I'm now more open to the possibility of LB being given a fetish of himself. Arguing the difference is almost moot, since he'll show up as investigator either way when his grave is robbed, and we'll have no way of knowing, unless he searched for equipment last night, which would indicate town > murderer. Actually, I think Furc should rob LB's grave tonight, since if he *does* happen to have equipment, we can fully write off a foiled murder attempt. Thoughts?

[VP Baltar]

VPB what's not to trust. I've hid nothing. I delayed more the whole "murder" path. I'm going to kill tonight. The following night I will launder and than who knows but feel free to test me for blood...what will I be a murderer on D20?

I will also rob grave if that's what the deal is.

You may be wary of my target. Fine. But my alignment should not be in question.

I believe you are an investigator. No doubt about that. However, you going renegade isn't going to happen. It's all well and good to make promises about laundering and all, but what does that really get us? Look at SAII for example. We kicked ass as town and successfully lynched six days in a row. That game still went to day 8. There is more than enough time for a person to give up nights early in the game and still win as murderer.

Even if you're telling the truth, we risk a potential miskill from you tonight and then have to waste time robbing that grave and using forensic tools on you to see if you're telling the truth (and you'd still might have enough nights to win as murderer after you're "confirmed"!). I just don't see what the town is gaining by you doing as you please.

@Aus - I don't think it much matters since LB is dead and we'll know their alignment after their grave is robbed. If you feel it's important that Furc takes it, that's fine by me.

[Wraith]

You know what? Benmage doesn't have to claim his target, because he basically said his target was me in this post:

Also: I searched and have a rez kit, and I strongly believe I am Benmage's target.

LAL you received a fetish and you think I stalked you, yet you only claim one insanity.

vote wraith

If he hadn't stalked me, he wouldn't have thought I had two insanities and "lied" about it.

[Wraith]

VPB what's not to trust.

I've hid nothing.

I delayed more the whole "murder" path.

I'm going to kill tonight.

The following night I will launder and than who knows but feel free to test me for blood...what will I be a murderer on D20?

I will also rob grave if that's what the deal is.

You may be wary of my target. Fine. But my alignment should not be in question.

And good lord, look at this liar. The bolded part is a lie. The italicized part is anti-town.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, CAN WE LYNCH HIM? PLEASE.

[Furcolow]

i'm ok with it.

[AurorusVox]

VP: We'll know whether they're investigator or cult. We won't know if they were planning on going murderer. I know it seems like a pointless distinction at this moment, but IF there's been a foiled murder attempt, I think it would be worth knowing. They claimed to not have warded N0. So it's likely that if they're town, they searched for equipment. I don't see much point in using that equipment last night, and so IMO it's probable that the equipment is still in their possession. If Furc gets it, we know LB was passed a Fetish - if he gets nothing, it's likely that LB hoped to murder someone last night, but that their attempts were foiled. This information could prove invaluable.

Of course, they could have taken Occult Books and gone gun-ho looking for a stalker, which would townily explain the insanity and the lack of equipment...but that's really sub-optimal play considering its a huge risk and results in an insanity regardless of whether the Commune is successful or not. I'd expect a hydra account to

not

do that, since it has two heads considering the pros and cons of the action...

[AurorusVox]

Furc: okay with a Benmage lynch or a LB graverob?

[Furcolow]

i already have a rez kit
can you have two rez kits?

benmage
we don't need to flip LB, he is cult, what the fuck?

[AurorusVox]

I believe you can have as many items as you want.

If LB is cult, how do you explain his insanity? Vi-mod said insanities can be picked up right until they die, so LB would have been murdered before he gained insanities from the ritual. Do you think LB crafted three fetishes N0?

[Furcolow]

EVERYONE HEARD NOISE. HOW MANY FETISHES IS THAT? DURRR.