Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[Wraith]

@VP: El Goosuki is cult. But there's a goddamn elephant in the room and you're continuously avoiding it.

[Trilobite]

Guys, something just occured to me that needs to be pointed out immediately because it impacts the town's plans to rob graves. (Based on Manho's post above though it may already be too late to prevent RC from being dispatched.)

The cult can ward too. Ward BLOCKS grave robbing actions.

We're essentially drawing a map to scum for who to block to ensure that they can rob the graves alone.

[VP Baltar]

Guys, something just occured to me that needs to be pointed out immediately because it impacts the town's plans to rob graves. (Based on Manho's post above though it may already be too late to prevent RC from being dispatched.)

The cult can ward too. Ward BLOCKS grave robbing actions.

We're essentially drawing a map to scum for who to block to ensure that they can rob the graves alone.

If they block a grave, they can't rob it either.

@Wraith - how am I ignoring him? I've directly addressed him and how I think we should deal with him.

[AurorusVox]

Trilo:

Ward must be used on the dead body in order to prevent graverob - not the graverobber. So if cult ward a dead body, they too can't rob the grave.

[Trilobite]

Argh, I keep thinking of it like a roleblock, rather than an indirect roleblock.

Nevermind the above rambling then...

[VP Baltar]

Where has this interpretation come from? It clearly states that night actions can still be used on Fate, i.e. he could have been killed/murdered.

Idk. Reading Percy's rule change, I basically got the impression that the only way to make them dead was via dispatching. I guess it's open to interpretation, but I can easily see Benmage thinking his murder would be a wasted action and thus choosing to do something else.

Regardless, he could have Cult Buddy A claim to be the target of a kill; Cult Buddy B claims to have resurrected "A," and finally Ben claim that "A" was the stalked target. Not to mention that this would account for bloody states and insanities on the part of those involved. I understand the attraction of Occam's Razor, but I think this setup lends itself to outrageous plans and gambits.

That's a lot of cult eggs in one basket imo. Especially over some terrible play from Benmage. If I was on that cult team, I'd be bussing like mad and cutting losses.

fate can be left soulless for now as i don't think having so many corpse out there is good.

Why is it bad?

[Trilobite]

With that cleared up.

Dispatch: RC

Dispatch: Fate

Cult could ward the bodies, but that comes with a price.

[VasudeVa]

@VV – Want to claim your Stalk of me (which you ‘threatened’) for Town cred? Or was that an idle threat?

No claims here. I want you dead now though, so that I don't have to get your scummy blood in mah clothes.

Good luck getting this wagon of obvTowns away from you though! Tell your buddies to bus you ASAP so it will look believable. Guess who won people over with that argument? 8D. (Spoiler:

I DID

.)

On topic of graverobs: Benmage robs two graves. No murders. Easy.

Undispatch: Fate

@Vas - you stated at some point late in the day that Wraith bothered you, but you had such a strong town read on rewq that it was negated. For information purposes, am I missing something? Did rewq do something that was exceedingly protown or is this a gut read for you?

I find rewq's ISO #1 as a very unlikely attack from a cultist.

Wraith is a big VI, don't read too much into him.

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Why hello MoI's pocket scum defense! Where have I seen you before? Oh yeah, D1.

[Benmage]

Look people need to start talking about something other than me. In at work. Ill fix the stupid statements I've seen later.

In the meantime those organizing tonight I will only perform 1 rob grave tonight and 1 tomorrow for killing and laundering. Youll know I didn't kill last night when I kill tomorrow because you can't back to back kill so who ever suggested that needs a dunce cap asap....then in going to launder afterwards check me for blood.....I aint winning murderer on D20.

So yes. My position is this. Therefore lynch a known townie whose been nothing but open/honest (don't twist that into me not teling you the stalkee, cause I've been consistent with that stance and if you paid any attention the debacle yesterday stemmed from people believeing my target town) or aim to lynch a cult or LBs killed a murderer going that route.

The multitude of stupidity is overwhelming. I guarantee te scum wised up and its town throwing these tantrums like furc and wraith worried ill kill them.


MoI is my number one suspicion at the moment, every post is so illogical.

[manho]

fate can be left soulless for now as i don't think having so many corpse out there is good.

Why is it bad?

as plans will always fail, we should lower the risk when something goes wrong. the main flaw in the graverobbing plan is that benmage will murder no matter what. but still, i'll support him murdering scummy players.

and to those who wants fate dispatched, why do you need the flip now, rather than, say, tomorrow?

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, ninja'd by benmage.

[Benmage]

Oh and andruis for president for warding me. I'm obviously not warding tonight hint hint.

[VP Baltar]

I don't get your argument manho.

and to those who wants fate dispatched, why do you need the flip now, rather than, say, tomorrow?

Because bodies are only going to pile up as the days go on. Taking care of the graves now is probably for the best since it doesn't appear we have a lot of murderers in the game (unless more decided to go that route last night). We don't want to waste night actions in later days robbing graves when we could be turning up scum with equipment and such.

@ben - stop posting, seriously. you either do what I'm saying today or you get lynched. I'm trying to help save you from a lynch, but you're not giving me much ground to stand on when you proclaim you're doing as you please. You either rob two graves tonight or you've got to go. You gave up your free will in this game by making two stupid night choices in a row.

[Benmage]

Ill campaign my own lynch, but I'm not goin to start lying. If you want to lynch a townie out of fear that I might hit a townie over cult....and don't care to go for real cult or a known murder wannabe than sure...lets be fucking dumb and ill help campaign my lynch.

Otherwise shut the fuck up and scum hunt.

[manho]

Because bodies are only going to pile up as the days go on. Taking care of the graves now is probably for the best since it doesn't appear we have a lot of murderers in the game (unless more decided to go that route last night).

i've got what you mean. since there is only 1 nightkill n1, and it's expected to be at least 2 nightkill afterwards, graverobbing fate now is better.

We don't want to waste night actions in later days robbing graves when we could be turning up scum with equipment and such.

but grave robbing is a free action so it won't affect our usual actions.

[VP Baltar]

grave robbing is a free action so it won't affect our usual actions.

The best play we can make is to shut players down for a night with grave robbing, therefore they should rob two grave on any given night.

@Benmage - you're seriously getting worse and worse at mafia the more arrogant you get. I'm not going to argue with you. You don't get a choice. I'm appealing to other logical members of the town (hito, Plum et. al.) to explain this to him because I'm not going to have a shouting match with Benmage like Fate did.

[manho]

@benmage, why can't you tell us who you'll be murdering tonight?

no investigator will res your target unless he is obv-town. cult may save their buddies but it'll use up their res kit and we can always lynch that saved player tomorrow.

[manho]

dispatch: fate

[Benmage]

@benmage, why can't you tell us who you'll be murdering tonight?

no investigator will res your target unless he is obv-town. cult may save their buddies but it'll use up their res kit and we can always lynch that saved player tomorrow.

What is he reason to know today as apposed to tomorrow?

[kunkstar7]

Does anyone else find it odd that El Goo, whose input into the game has been less than stellar, has been warded on successive nights?

Not really, considering xvart's explanation for his warding of El Goosuki N1. I was considering the same idea actually, but decided to play normally.

@ben - stop posting, seriously. you either do what I'm saying today or you get lynched. I'm trying to help save you from a lynch, but you're not giving me much ground to stand on when you proclaim you're doing as you please. You either rob two graves tonight or you've got to go. You gave up your free will in this game by making two stupid night choices in a row.

QFT.

Benmage is not the lynch today (CONSIDERING HE CLAIMS HIS TARGET), if he fails to graverob as ordered he is declaring himself against the town and will be lynched immediately come Day 3. Until then lets focus on other people.

@VasudeVa, why did you Undispatch Fate?
Also, why is it bad to claim insanities? Everything should be held accountable, letting things slip under the radar makes it way too easy for cult/murderers to hide.
Upon reading MoI I found a response to a comment you made towards him:

That's exactly it though..He's perfectly scummy, in the sense that it's difficult to find dirt on him outside of that. That's probably all the dirt you'll get out of him at this stage. Scummy, yes. But it's not D1 scummy, it's endgame lynch scummy because he's been playing good with it.

This is an entirely confusing statement, and it doesn't sit well with me (I read it in context and it still didn't look acceptable). How do you discover someone is scummy if they aren't being scummy? What exactly constitutes your case on MoI? I found a lot of mention of him being bullying, yet then you diverge and say he is being passive-aggressive as a scumtell.

On another note:

Vote: El Goosuki

, I can get in on this right now. Seriously nothing from this slot at all, plus a pointless action even AFTER they read AND commented on hito's guide.

[Wraith]

Fucking hell. If I end up dead tomorrow I'll never forgive you idiots.

Unvote Vote; El Goosuki

[Furcolow]

Guys, something just occured to me that needs to be pointed out immediately because it impacts the town's plans to rob graves. (Based on Manho's post above though it may already be too late to prevent RC from being dispatched.)

The cult can ward too. Ward BLOCKS grave robbing actions.

We're essentially drawing a map to scum for who to block to ensure that they can rob the graves alone.

um... i already posted this.
do you read, or are you trying to steal the information i posted in an appearance to appear protown?

[totallynotmafia]

I think Benmage should definately NOT tell us who he stalked, and if he is an investigator he should PROVE IT by going ahead with the kill. Firstly, he may have stalked a cultist or the murderer. Secondly, town are (hopefully) going to be rezzing those they believe to be town and in danger anyway.

Thirdly, by BM not telling us who the target is, that forces cult to rez all their members who heard noises tonight if they wanna be completely safe. This consumes both their rez kits and their night actions.

BM: go through with the kill. Don't tell us your target.

I'm sick of the BM issue being an opportunity for cultists to look town by going "OMG DON'T YOU DARE KILL ANYONE HOW DARE YOU IN A GAME OF MAFIA"

I'm not sure about El Goosuki, it's just as ridiculous for me that cult would claim that as a night action and put themselves out there like that.

Vote: Kunkstar

He has been going with the voting flow the entire game, plus I think he was trying to score town points with the BM issue while trying to get BM to reveal his target to benefit cult.

[Furcolow]

Argh, I keep thinking of it like a roleblock, rather than an indirect roleblock.

Nevermind the above rambling then...

it's not rambling
i wouldnt mind us using 2-3 town players to ward a grave
and if someone skimps and the grave is robbed we obviously lynch them

[Furcolow]

and i mean like 3 graves, 3 players warding
we should force people we consider cult to ward graves
if they dont, they die
if more than one dont, then we break out stalks.

[VP Baltar]

I'm sick of the BM issue being an opportunity for cultists to look town by going "OMG DON'T YOU DARE KILL ANYONE HOW DARE YOU IN A GAME OF MAFIA"

This certainly a deep thought. That being said, how do you account for all of the people wanting him to stop behaving like a child on Day 1 with his stalk? Those people were cult too? Who do you feel are the cultists that are worried about Benmage? Personally, I think the cultists would be in support of Benmage killing because statistically speaking he's likely to hit town and thus save the cult the trouble. Also, your point about the night actions is simply wrong. IIRC, the Ritual, which is more than likely the cult's main concern at night, is a free action. Therefore, they can rez their buddies and kill whomever they please all without breaking a sweat!

Next fallacious argument why Benmage should follow through with his kill?