Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[VasudeVa]

C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER

[VP Baltar]

I know no reason ..

...why July 4 is so much better?

[Wraith]

C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER

Fuck you, I almost burst out laughing in the middle of class XD

[Triglav]

This Triglav head has now caught up.
Rejoice!
And weep
Am glad other head handled boring wall of claiming stuff. Other head is good house frau.

On to business;

Preview edit: Have you played with Benmage before? Because I have.
If you get him to even L-1 you're unlikely going to make him reconsider. Especially when he knows lynching him is a bad move for town. He'll make you lynch him and then he'll blame you for it in the graveyard/post game. In the small chance that you do get him to "reconsider" he won't have actually reconsidered, he'll have lied.

Horrible awesome truth is horribly awesome.

In any case, everyone appears to agree that Benmage is obv. Investigator, yes? (not counting AV with paranoid theory #24)
Everyone lists big fear of Benmage as him going murderer route, yes?
There is a trackable timeline for how long it will take to achieve Murderer victory, yes?
We want to lynch/control him?
Lynch him prior to murderer win moment then.
Control him later then.
He's a vig who effectively shot Night 1 and was delayed, get over your bad selves.
Triglav endorses a plan that kills off some players just to make thread easier to read.

Speaking of which, am interested in Plum's plan. Lots of vig ultimate death sounds awesome to pare down player list.

Crackpot theory: Benmage kills LB and then hopes for another murder to take place tonight to claim as his own OR claims he tried to kill someone who the cult "must" have rez'd. It's out there, sure, but it's not impossible.

Rezzing is verifiable by the player targeted - who is scum going to get to declare a fake successful rez? Oh, right *other* scum - so by your own logic, even if right, we should let Benmage kill.
Triglav is brilliant!
Worship will be accepted later.

Hate case on MoI - lol, he's scum because he is trying to be logical? That's MoI meta, give more or go away.
Hate case on El Gooski - lol, hydra is scum because they're too dumb to remember the town list of actions and with multiple heads and scumbuddies in a QT they'll claim a dumb action?
Can we lynch Baby Spice today? That would be exciting.

Vote: Baby Spice

Wouldn't mind lynching xvart either.
Keep skipping furc's posts - believe it is helping clarity of reads on game. Suggest it to all.

[Triglav]

Ah, also, boring hydra QT blather.
We are happy RC was dispatched.
We tend to believe that not dispatching Fate till later is beneficial for body control but don't have very strong opinions on this matter (this head is only one that had an opinion and others shrugged a lot and shuffled feet nervously - rule set is scary)
Has anyone claimed LB kill? Didn't notice it - obvious murder path is obvious.
Tend to believe anyone who has twitched is less likely to be murderer path. <---this head's idea just as we type, but makes sense as murderer would wish to delay insanity revelations.

[Benmage]

I'll be out for my roomates bday tonight.

[Wickedestjr]

Here is a table of the night's results. Please note that it isn't necessarily a good idea to claim your night actions unless you have a good reason to, because we don't need to completely fill in the table. I just included everything that the whole town already knows.

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Player	Night 0	Night 1
Andrius	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: Benmage Warded: No Insanity Count: 1 [Twitchy] Bloody: No Night Action: Warded Benmage Reason for Insanity: Recieved fetish.
AurorusVox	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
Baby Spice	Noise: No Ward: MagnaofIllusion Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action: Warded MagnaofIllusion	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
Benmage	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 1 [Suicidal] Bloody: No Night Action: Stalked Fate Reason for Insanity: Stalked Fate	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: Yes (Andrius) Insanity Count: 2 [Suicidal, Obsession] Bloody: No Night Action: Stalked somebody Reason for Insanity: Stalked somebody
Nicodemus/Bowser	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
El Goosuki	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: Yes (Furcolow) Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: Yes (xvart) Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action: Investigated xvart
Fate	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action: Equipped Occult Books	Dead
Feysal	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action: Equipped Resuscitation Kit	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: Yes Night Action: Protected Wickedestjr
Furcolow	Noise: No Ward: El Goosuki Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action: Warded El Goosuki.	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action: Searched for Rez Kit.
Furpants_Tom	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
hitogoroshi	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: Trilobite Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action: Warded Trilobite
kunkstar7	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
Lost Butterfly	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Dead
MagnaofIllusion	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: Yes (Baby Spice & xvart) Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
Plum	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
ReaperCharlie	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: Yes (rewq455) Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action: Equipped Resuscitation Kit	Dead
Wraith/rewq455	Noise: Yes Ward: ReaperCharlie Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action: Ward ReaperCharlie	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 1 [Twitchy] Bloody: No Night Action: Reason for Insanity: Recieved fetish
Seacore	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: Yes (Triglav) Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action: Warded Triglav
SpyreX	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
Nopoint/SSBF	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action: Equipped Resuscitation Kit	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: Yes Night Action: Protected Wickedestjr
totallynotmafia	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
Triglav	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: Yes (Seacore) Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
Trilobite	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: Yes (hitogoroshi) Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
VasudeVa	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
VP Baltar	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
Wickedestjr	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 1 [Twitchy] Bloody: Yes Night Action: Reason for Insanity: Protected from kill
manho/wingless	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: No Ward: No Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:
xvart	Noise: Yes Ward: Yes (MagnaofIllusion) Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:	Noise: Yes Ward: Yes (El Goosuki) Warded: No Insanity Count: 0 Bloody: No Night Action:

If somebody sees any mistakes, let me know. Somebody can color code it if they want. I hope nobody else made one of these tables. More later.

[Vi]

I know no reason ..

...why July 4 is so much better?

Because July 4 celebrates a

successful

revolution and comes with less simultaneous hanging, castration, disembowelment, beheading, and quartering?

[Wickedestjr]

I looked at the OP and I think that everyday we should be claiming if we are bloody or not. Here's why: The only ways you can get bloody are by being resuscitated from a kill successfully, trying to murder a player, or trying to kill a player in the ritual. The only way that a townie can get bloody is if somebody tried to kill them, and that's something we should be claiming. If we claim this everyday, and an investigator with a forensic kit discovers that somebody is bloody that wasn't supposed to be actually was, then that means they are either a cultist or a murderer. This is very important information. So, we should be claiming if we are bloody, but that is basically just claiming that you had been successfully resuscitated. Learning who was successfully resuscitated from a kill is information that doesn't help scum that much, because it is information that they already know (if cult's target was protected they'd know about it, and I believe cult should know who is getting murdered based on who heard noise).

[Wickedestjr]

Regarding dispatches, I understand what VP Baltar and AurorusVox are saying, but I still feel that we should dispatch both the soulless players. From what I understand, we only need two grave robbers to rob four graves tonight to confirm that cult don't acquire any corpse dust as long as we think Furcolow and I are confirmed town (neither of us are 100% confirmed, but we are both pretty close to confirmed town). With each of us robbing two graves, it works out perfectly: all four graves are robbed, we know cult aren't getting corpse dust, and we know the two nearly confirmed townies aren't going murderer. The only problem insanities bring up is that they can be very restricting if we are kept in the game for a long time, but the advantage is that town knows why we got our insanities, so they don't make us look bad. Keep in mind, the two of us can tackle four graves a night, which greatly lowers the number of insanities other players have to earn. If me and Furcolow rob graves every night, we can always have players with unusually high insanity counts rob graves while we are so that they don't get corpse dust, but we are controlling their night actions. Are there any flaws in this plan? Furcolow, what do you think of this? Thoughts? I am fine with robbing graves. I'm not exactly performing one of the other more interesting night actions, but I am one of the best people for this job and I think it would be selfish of me not to rob graves unless somebody has a better idea or can explain a flaw in this plan.

[Wickedestjr]

P.S. I am aware that I haven't given my suspicions recently. I'm working on it. I'm hoping to try and catch up first, but if that doesn't happen in the next 2/3 days, then I'm just going to vote.

[VP Baltar]

Regarding dispatches, I understand what VP Baltar and AurorusVox are saying, but I still feel that we should dispatch both the soulless players.

I think they should be dispatched too. I think you make a good point about you and Furc. Insanities will cripple you guys if you alone do it for the rest of the game, but you two are definitely the most town at this point.

[Wickedestjr]

Three more things...

1. If we go with my grave rob plan, Benmage should rob graves too so that he doesn't murder somebody.

2. The two people rezzing me

is

noteworthy. Nopoint being the first person to claim the rez before I even claimed that I had been rezzed means he is probably another confirmed town (he might be a good grave robber too and possibly a better choice than Furcolow. nopoint, what do you think of grave robbing?). Feysal claiming to have rezzed me could be him covering up for his blood if he is a cultist or murderer. There's nothing to confirm that, but I'm keeping an eye on him.

3. Regarding Lost Butterfly, what we do know is that either they are cult or cult passed a fetish of them. They weren't going the murder route, which means, unless multiple people tried to kill Lost Butterfly, there is only one murderer to worry about. That is both good and bad: While there is only one extra kill every other night, and only one extra player to worry about getting rid of, this murderer has a very good chance of winning if we don't catch them in time. I came to this conclusion by thinking about the murderer win condition. They have to:
a.) Be the last murderer.
b.) Have killed more people than any of the other murderers.
c.) Have killed three people.

With only one murderer they have automatically fulfilled a.) and don't have to worry about b.) either, so the only thing they have to do is murder two more times. I think it was stated last SA game that we should focus on cult during the day and murderers at night. Does that strategy apply here too? Thoughts on this?

[SpyreX]

Oh poor SpyreX, I stated that you were falsely claiming to use that as an excuse to mask your baaaaaaa after Seacore's vote. I don't really think you're voting him for that reason. I even go on to say that if Seacore's reason is the only thing that's making you want to vote El G, why didn't you just say that in the first place? Why mention 0% contribution at all? Baaa.

Keep on keepin on.

Remember yesterday when I was leading to something and you came in and went LOOK I CAN HAS QUEsTIONS and it was nothing and screwed up where i was going because Gooski is doing nothing?

Remember that?

Yea.

0% is important. The 0%'ers need to go. However,

in addition to that

, the special kind of flower that while managing to do nothing still manages to not keep it straight with the nothing their doing is scum. And for lynching.

Oh poor SpyreX once again, I believe you'll find that I've always stated that I felt Benmage was cult. I argued to make Benmage follow through on his kill of Fate to PROVE that he couldn't do it. I.e. to prove that he wasn't in fact town. If he had managed to kill Fate, I'd have had egg all over my face but it would have been the egg of a confirmed townie at least. But, I realised as the day drew on that such plans were futile due to a few reasons that we discussed, and swiftly dispatched of the plan.

Yea, you sure said you thought he was cult but hey why not kill because then you're awesome town.

NOW, however, its "THE MURDERERS IN THE NIGHT" not "Ohh scumbag claims he can kill Fate? Go for it"

(Hint: this is because you know Ben is not cult and him killing Fate who is also not cult is win-win like I said before)

AND LOOK AT ME AVOIDING OMG PLUM SAID SHEEP SO I SAY SHEEP THAT MAKES ME COOL AGAIN BECAUSE FFFFF

MAYBE THATS SOME KINDA NEW WIFOM

[Wickedestjr]

Dispatch: ReaperCharlie
Dispatch: Fate

Until somebody explains why I shouldn't.

[Wickedestjr]

Hm... Regarding grave robbing, it may be a good idea to have me, nopoint, and Furcolow all be grave robbers, but taking turns. This way the amount of insanities is lower for each of us. (And we won't each have to grave rob every night meaning we can do something else productive). For example:

Night 2: Wickedestjr and Furcolow grave rob
Night 3: Wickedestjr and nopoint grave rob
Night 4: Furcolow and nopoint grave rob

Or some kind of patter similar to that. Thoughts?

[Trilobite]

Out of the damn loop for a change, have been V/LA - hopefully write+read up the stuff I wanted to very soon.
However

@Wicked's list:

we have not claimed to ward Hito N2, we haven't claimed our N2 action.

don't have very strong opinions on this matter (this head is only one that had an opinion and others shrugged a lot and shuffled feet nervously - rule set is scary)

I already asked yesterday, could you clear this up to me: it's really hard for me to see your hydra's posting as the people your sig claims to be. The writing/thinking style feels so far removed from ABR, Zorblag, Adel. Could you confirm to me whether that headclaim is false and for lulz or whether you stand by that being who you are.

El Goosuki night action is stupid as anything but I don't see at all how it's supposedly more likely to come from scum - I imagine scum would very likely plan their fakeclaims together.

Oj

[Triglav]

don't have very strong opinions on this matter (this head is only one that had an opinion and others shrugged a lot and shuffled feet nervously - rule set is scary)

I already asked yesterday, could you clear this up to me: it's really hard for me to see your hydra's posting as the people your sig claims to be. The writing/thinking style feels so far removed from ABR, Zorblag, Adel. Could you confirm to me whether that headclaim is false and for lulz or whether you stand by that being who you are.

Triglav is, and in absolute honesty, a conglomeration of gandalf, drmyshottyizsik, bv1310, and MichaelSableheart.
We may have joked about a previous conglomeration that is currently in our sig and had Benmage attempt to lynch us over it in another game.
We may also be lulzing on all name claims because some members of collective prefer that we remain an unknown quantity.
We are secret and mysterious.
Makes us sexier.

[Wraith]

@wicked: RC has already been dispatched. And my N1 action was to get a Rez Kit.

[Baby Spice]

Dispatch: ReaperCharlie
Dispatch: Fate

Until somebody explains why I shouldn't.

The best reason why you shouldn't dispatch RC is that he was dispatched several pages ago.

Dispatch Fate

Since the consensus seems to be dispatch them all and dig dig dig.

El G. I can see why you targeted Xvart, but what do you think of him claiming to ward you especially since you voted him for so long yesterday.

Furpants: You were staring to sound like someone I know and there aren't that many east coast BB players who also play Mafia.

Wraith-Ninja

[AurorusVox]

Three more things...

1. If we go with my grave rob plan, Benmage should rob graves too so that he doesn't murder somebody.

I like your graverob plan up to this point

2. Nopoint being the first person to claim the rez before I even claimed that I had been rezzed means he is probably another confirmed town

Alternatively if you were targeted by cult, they would have seen that you were still alive and KNOWN that you were res'd. In which case who claimed res first is moot and null.

3. Regarding Lost Butterfly, what we do know is that either they are cult or cult passed a fetish of them.

Alas, no. According to the rules that Vi posted, he can ONLY be cult if he crafted three fetishes N0, since the insanity from the Ritual would have come AFTER he was murdered, and Vi said you don't gain insanities after you're dead. It's also possible that he stalked N0 on a warded target and gave up on Murder wincon, or that the mods are very strict with resolutions and since the "effect" of his death resolved before the "side-effect" of the insanity, that the insanity from attempted-murder did not count (the language of the mod response was unclear about that - I figured it was intentionally so)...

---

Remember yesterday when I was leading to something and you came in and went LOOK I CAN HAS QUEsTIONS and it was nothing and screwed up where i was going because Gooski is doing nothing?

Remember that?

Yea.

Remember yesterday when you claimed all right to ask El G questions and made it really explicit that you were working on something with regards to El G and/or I read your mind to figure as much?

Remember that?

No?

Neither do I.

Yea, you sure said you thought he was cult but hey why not kill because then you're awesome town.

NOW, however, its "THE MURDERERS IN THE NIGHT" not "Ohh scumbag claims he can kill Fate? Go for it"

(Hint: this is because you know Ben is not cult and him killing Fate who is also not cult is win-win like I said before)

No, I said "hey why not kill because OH WAIT YOU CAN'T CULTBAG"

I had resurrecting Fate as part of the plan until the mod said you didn't receive attempted-kill flavour before being resurrected. Once that was made clear, I dropped the plan.

AND LOOK AT ME AVOIDING OMG PLUM SAID SHEEP SO I SAY SHEEP THAT MAKES ME COOL AGAIN BECAUSE FFFFF

MAYBE THATS SOME KINDA NEW WIFOM

...you are sheeping as far as I can see. I'm not just copying Plum here, because the point I'm making is that SOMEONE CALLED YOU OUT ON IT. It's pretty important to mention that you'd been called out on it once already if you're blatantly just trying to get away with doing it again. It's kind of the whole point.

[Vi]

Vote Count:

*whisper whisper*

El Goosuki (5)

~ Seacore, SpyreX, kunkstar7, Wraith, xvart

MagnaofIllusion (4)

~ Trilobite, VP Baltar, Benmage, VasudeVa

Benmage (3)

~ AurorusVox, Furcolow, Furpants_Tom

Furpants_Tom (2)

~ Nicodemus, nopointinactingup

Wraith (2)

~ Plum, manho

kunkstar7 (1)

~ totallynotmafia

Baby Spice (1)

~ Triglav

Not Voting (7):

Andrius, Baby Spice, El Goosuki, Feysal, hitogoroshi, MagnaofIllusion,

Triglav,

Wickedestjr,

xvart

Dispatch Order:

Fate (9)

~ VP Baltar, kunkstar7, MagnaofIllusion, Seacore, nopointinactingup, Trilobite, manho, Wickedestjr, Baby Spice

--With 25 alive, it takes 13 to secure a lynch and/or dispatch one of the Soulless.
--There is no deadline as of yet.

[Trilobite]

Triglav is, and in absolute honesty, a conglomeration of gandalf, drmyshottyizsik, bv1310, and MichaelSableheart.

*snort* you'd be only slightly less unbelievable as most of those people. but ok then, will try to not let that fuck with my read anymore.

Oj

[El Goosuki]

Elli head is back from V/LA but this game will prob be last to be caught on.

[VasudeVa]

I don't get you people. Why are we lynching a harmless lurker who could potentially be scum over a real poisonous presence in the Town? I don't care if you say 'OOhhh, he/she is not contributing!" There is no inherent malice outside of their play aside from the lurking which people do ALL THE FREAKIN' TIME.

Do you honestly expect Lurkerscum to just lurk without doing jack shit? Nawh, Lurkerscum actually do stuff in thread to help their scumteam mislynch people. Add daytalk to the equation wherein their buddies can yell at them for not posting. Besides, DGB scum is better than that, for realz. There be scum in that wagon, I juust know it. Specifically kunkstar!

VOTE MAGNA. FOR GREATER JUSTICE. (And then we can get rid of Kunkscum right after, ohh yeaahh.)

@VasudeVa, why did you Undispatch Fate?
Also, why is it bad to claim insanities? Everything should be held accountable, letting things slip under the radar makes it way too easy for cult/murderers to hide.
Upon reading MoI I found a response to a comment you made towards him:

This is an entirely confusing statement, and it doesn't sit well with me (I read it in context and it still didn't look acceptable). How do you discover someone is scummy if they aren't being scummy? What exactly constitutes your case on MoI? I found a lot of mention of him being bullying, yet then you diverge and say he is being passive-aggressive as a scumtell.

Scum #2 right on here. ^^^. You will likely live to regret this. After I'm done with your MoI buddy, you'll see more of me.

I undispatch'd Fate, because there be MORE bodies, therefore MORE chances for cult to pickup some dust. So, let's keep the body count low for now.

That was not the case, I had a full blown case revealing that MoI's INTENTIONS in thread are scummy in nature, and that was me attempting to convince people and my interpretations that his attacks on Furcolow are fail attempts to

look

like he's scumhunting when he is not(because he's scum etc.).

If you actually read my effin' case, I ACTUALLY PUT THAT THERE. (Contents: MoI's attacks on Furc are staged etc.)

That quote is, I admit, rhetoric. (The other parts aren't though, stupid scum MoI. So bah at you.). Because part of catching scum is LYNCHING scum. And you can't lynch with your vote alone, you need to convince people to vote with you.

If you actually read the case in fucking context, you'd see that the meat of the case is: Furc's attacks on MoI are staged, MoI is only interested in defending himself & MoI is a poisonous malicious presence in the community. You didn't even understand the case, you picked apart a questionable quote and are looking for an angle to defend MoI.

Nice try scum. Kunkstar lynch after we are done with MoI, k.