Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[El Goosuki]

I changed my mind. MoI speaks not like a cultist after all. What he says about future vote pattern analysis doesn't sound like it comes from cult. Looks like genuine town soul searching.

-DGB

UNVOTE: MoI

[SpyreX]

Check sig. I'll try to get on but not sure how much it'll be.

HOWEVER:

1 and 2 aren’t true and furthermore are scum-tells. I’m far from the only person who has been abrasive in this game. And I did in purposely. I’m rather tired of getting killed very early in Large games when I am Town.

Antagonizing those players who are weak enough to rise to the bait was specifically designed to lower my NK threshold.

You may not like it but it certain isn’t indicative at all that I’m Cult.

What in the name of everything holy is this?

"I'm scummy on PURPOSE, yo" is garbage. In THIS setup with no PR's I have no words.

Ohh look ElG leaps after THIS?

Yeeehaw

[Seacore]

Yeah, MoI, ElG scum team is looking really plausible.

MoI ditches the ElG wagon when it started taking off, ElG votes MoI but then removes the vote.

And that line that spyrex has bolded is pretty terrible, I was still leaning MoI town til I saw that.

[nopointinactingup]

@Furpants and others who have commune book: I did not hear noise so you can confirm me ^^

I'm not up for a MOI wagon today.

Unvote.Vote:Kunkstar

[Furpants_Tom]

@Furpants and others who have commune book: I did not hear noise so you can confirm me ^^

Rewq did, though, so it's possible there's a fetish out there with your (plural) names on it.

[nopointinactingup]

Huh? If they created a fetish of me, I'd have to hear noise right?

[Furpants_Tom]

Huh? If they created a fetish of me, I'd have to hear noise right?

Sorry, am idioth, I thought you'd replaced rewq for a minute, but you actually replaced ssbf, so you're correct.

[VasudeVa]

@Mod: Andy needs a prod.

Bro-drius

, I know you're busy and all but can you please grace us with your presence? Your last post was on Nov 4. I'll ask you these questions to help you ease back into the game:

1. What do you think of the MoI wagon and it's constituents? Do you agree with my case?
2. What do you think of the El Goo wagon and it's constituents? Do you agree with their case?
3. Why did you vote me D1?
4. What is your opinion on the dispatches?
5. Do you have any opinions as to the claims from N1? What about LB's insanity on their flip?
6. Care to share a quick town/scum list?

[Vi]

Vote Count

*whisper whisper*

El Goosuki - 7

(Seacore, SpyreX, kunkstar7, Wraith, xvart, Nicodemus, AurorusVox)

MagnaofIllusion - 6

(Trilobite, VP Baltar, Benmage, VasudeVa, hitogoroshi, Furcolow,

El Goosuki

)

kunkstar7 - 4

(totallynotmafia, Wickedestjr, Furpants_Tom, nopointinactingup)

Wraith - 2

(Plum, manho)

Baby Spice - 1

(Triglav)

VasudeVa - 1

(MagnaofIllusion)

Furpants_Tom - 0

(nopointinactingup)

Not Voting - 4 (Andrius, Baby Spice, Feysal, El Goosuki)

Fate

is currently

Soulless

. The following

10

players wish to

Dispatch Fate

: (VP Baltar, kunkstar7, MagnaofIllusion, Seacore, nopointinactingup, Trilobite, manho, Wickedestjr, Baby Spice, Benmage)

Andrius has been prodded.

The deadline for

Day 2

is 10:30am, Wednesday November 24th default site time.

With 25 alive, 13 votes secures a Lynch/Dispatch.

[AurorusVox]

Actually, NPAU mentioning that he hasn't heard noise either night is interesting...

I think that it's very odd that there are people who did not hear noises at all (these people are: Nicodemus, NPAU, VV, and manho). Since cult can visit every investigator over the course of N0 and N1, I wonder what reason cult would have for choosing to NOT visit these people? I'm debating whether this could be cult not wanting to fake-claim hearing a noise; or whether these are people low on the cult's kill list. Certainly players like Nico (who replaced Bowser) and manho (who replaced wingless) haven't really contributed a great deal to the game so far and therefore might not seem to pose a great threat to the cult - and indeed could provide handy mislynch targets - but I'm more concerned as to why VV wasn't targeted by the cult on either night. The fact NPAU hasn't heard noise either night also tips me more in the favour of Feysal as the legitimate resuscitator, should there be only one.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

[VasudeVa]

What are you talking about AV? I heard noise last night.

[nopointinactingup]

AV, so you agree with Furpants that it is highly unlikely that both of us successfully rezzed last night? Your speculating on Cult Night Action is terrible. Cult can visit everyone by N0 N1, but what makes you think they need to do such things instead of getting Rez kits and laundering when they can only target 1 person at night for the kill?

[AurorusVox]

VV: according to Wicked's chart you didn't, I was using that as a reference.

NPAU: I understand that they might not want to visit everyone (that's why I said I'm less suspect of Manho/Nico for not hearing noise) but the fact that 24/28 (or with VV, now 25/28 people) claim to have heard noise makes it look like they're trying to get something on everyone, and my feeling is compounded by the fact that a number of people who didn't hear N0 noise heard noise on N1 (I get that some of this can be explained by investigator's warding/res'ing/etc, but still it looks odd)

Last night they couldn't launder as they would have received an insanity from it, since they wouldn't be bloody til the end of the night, i.e. AFTER launder had taken place. I'll accept that getting res. kits is an alternative path to fetishing in general, but if no cult heard noise N0, none would have had to go after res kits last night since none would have been in danger of dying. But you're also ignoring the insanity-spreading from giving people their own fetishes - which people claim to have suffered. And, if cult DO have fetishes of most people, they'll be able to pick their kills freely; otherwise there's a delay when it comes to ritualising people. I'm pretty sure it's in the cult's interest to have as many fetishes of as many people as possible.

[nopointinactingup]

I don't think so. The marginal utility of 2 more fetishes than the 2X amount that has already been created would be petit in comparison to the back-up plans they could have made Rez kits for protection against Stalk and throw fetishes around to mess up the insanity count. Not to mention it is much more effective for cult to claim hearing noises to lure rezes.

[VP Baltar]

Hey Nicodemus, what's going on man? I'm not a fan of you lurking so much. I'd like to hear your thoughts soon.

(Actually a lot of people fall in this category, but Nico seems a priority.)

[Trilobite]

I changed my mind. MoI speaks not like a cultist after all. What he says about future vote pattern analysis doesn't sound like it comes from cult. Looks like genuine town soul searching.

-DGB

UNVOTE: MoI

Relevent, this is not a town tell.

(Starts on page two of his ISO)

@Furpants and others who have commune book: I did not hear noise so you can confirm me ^^

I'm not up for a MOI wagon today.

Unvote.Vote:Kunkstar

What's wrong with an MoI wagon?

I don't see how it is helpful to talk about who did or didn't hear noise and why at this point. It's endless WIFOM no?

~Sotty

[Wickedestjr]

A couple comments:

1. About a week ago I realized something which I have kept forgetting to mention. Since if a murderer was trying to murder me they would've done it last night and because the cult wasted their fetish of me in their attempt to kill me, this means that even though I'm confirmed town,

it is almost impossible for me to die tonight. People with rez kits need to keep this in mind tonight. However, it would be a good idea for people to ward me to prevent me from dying the night after as well.

2. I skimmed the thread and noticed that nobody commented on my upgraded grave rob plan. I know that it isn't a topic that needs to be discussed right now, but I would still appreciate if it was commented on.

3. Glad to see the bandwagon on kunkstar7 is growing, but still not satisfied. He needs more votes! I would like to see what people think about him.

Manho and Triglav, what do you think of kunkstar7 so far?

[Wraith]

Hey guys, I'm gonna use ward on someone tonight. Can someone use their rez kit on me tonight?

Gonna look at the ISOs of El G and kunkstar, see whose lynch I like better.

[VasudeVa]

I don't think cult loses their fetish on a failed attempt. I think that was one of the reasons why in SAII, scum were able to keep attempting to kill VP Baltar/iLord...I think. And I don't see anything in the rules from a quick peek... which is why I think that it would be awesome if we could keep certain townies fetish free.

Regardless, to be sure:

@Mod: Do cult lose their fetishes on a rezzed kill attempt?

[VP Baltar]

Um, I generally agree with your robbing plan wicked, though I still prefer my own incarnation of having town looking players cycling in and out of grave robbing while keeping the scummiest of the scum shut down permanently with robbing duties. I think my version is better at limiting the cult and yours is more geared toward shutting down murderers, so it's really a priority issue. If there were more apparent murderers on the table right now, I'd probably opt for yours. Right now, I'd rather deal with the cult though.

I think VV is right about the fetishes, cause I was revived and subsequently killed in SAII. IIrc, scum didn't have two fetishes of me in that game.

[Wraith]

Okay, kunkstar:

Vote: Fate. Murderer or Cult. Its win-win either way.

Might as well do the noise claims. Heard noise here.

This is your randomvote, but it comes off to me as half-serious at the least. Dunno why you think Fate is evil one way or the other.

If we are claiming noises, claiming wards is necessary as well, to see which players have heard noises due to ward. Otherwise the benefit of seeing who needs to be protected is moot.

Furcolow is in no way confirmed town. How is anything he said not fakeclaimable by cult, or what action/mechanic confirms him?
Unvote; Vote: Furcolow for trying to confirm himself so eagerly, without proper basis.

I did not ward.

This is not a good enough reason for a lynch, and it looks like you're just trying to start a mislynch wagon on Furcolow. I think most everyone on this site knows about Furcolow's playstyle.

For a while during D1 kunkstar did a lot of tunneling against Furcolow pretty much revolving around Furcolow being an idiot. Meh, can go either way.

cool story bro.

vote: xvart

Man, this right here is enough to Vote:RC.

Xvart made a legitimate response to your conspiracist theory and you just dismiss it??

After most of his posts being against Furcolow, kunkstar suddenly jumps onto the RC wagon, which is beginning to gain steam, for an insufficient reason. That's a bit iffy.

On another note:
Vote: El Goosuki, I can get in on this right now. Seriously nothing from this slot at all, plus a pointless action even AFTER they read AND commented on hito's guide

This is a definite wagoning vote, with no real reasoning provided. Note that both the previous quotes were parts of fairly lengthy posts against OTHER people.

At the moment I probably find El G scummier than kunkstar, but as wicked said in his WoT, kunkstar's votes have been awfully oppotunistic and he's flying under the radar.

IGMEOY kunkstar

On an unrlated note: I would also like to add a comment about insanities:

Sadism, Paranoid, and Distraction

should be TOTALLY off-limits for town unless there is no other option. THe former two were the direct cause for the town loss in SAII. Even Mutilation and Halucination are preferrable.

[manho]

Wraith is scum, with kunkstar, for his IGMEOY but not vote in the last post.

[VP Baltar]

THe former two were the direct cause for the town loss in SAII.

Actually, no they were not. Town could have still won that if they had no lynched and let Furc kill, which was the correct play on the final day as I explained in the dead QT of that game I believe. Regardless, I agree with you that voting insanities are bad news for the town to be taking.

[Wraith]

Now, El Goosuki:

First and foremost, we have him definitely

trying

to keep under the radar, most evidenced by this early post:

lolzKatsubesofunny.

Summary from somebody plz?
kthx.

In fact, most of his posts in general are short one-liners, several of them just him popping in to proclaim someone town for no reason:

VV is town.

Alright, everyone back off.

ReaperCharlie is town. "I AM MUCH TOO LAZY TO LOOK FOR THEM." Those are the words of a townie.

VV is also town.

-DGB

I find it interesting that throughout D1 he repeats the VV and RC are town, especially RC.

So, about half his posts are of the nature of "X is town" or "Town List, Scum List," giving absolutely no reason as to why he thinks these things. The majority of the other half are "Guys I'm lost," "Guys can I get a summary?" and "We're going to read now." The length that he goes without actually reading (and being a triple hydra, too) leads me to think that he just really, really wants to fly under the radar, stay in the background. I spent about 5 hours reading the whole 50+ pages of this thread before I replaced in. Three people can a lot better.

DIE CULTIST DIE

VOTE: xvart

The above is part of under "scum list" post, and is the very first time El G puts down a vote. It is also 50 pages in, and gives absolutely no reasoning for itself, at all.

His second vote in the entire game:

Worse than us, which is no small challenge:

VOTE: MagnaofIllusion

Seeing a pattern?

Yeah, I think El G is a good lynch for the day.

Predit: @manho: that's because of this post, which is explanation for my previously-stated suspicion on El G
@VP Baltar: I believe the townies were going to lynch SOG but couldn't switch votes because of Sadism and Paranoid.

[VP Baltar]

@VP Baltar: I believe the townies were going to lynch SOG but couldn't switch votes because of Sadism and Paranoid

I don't recall exactly, but what I do recall is them lynching Furc who had stalked and could have killed SOG. That was just a dumb move and it wasn't related to insanities. They could have No Lynched and won the game. *still bitter*