Succession Mafia (OVER!)

[Mr. Flay]

Sixth Situation Report of Day Four

[6]

ooba (ReaperCharlie, singersigner, gandalf5166, xvart, Robocopter87, Chronopie)

[4]

Erg0

Quagmire (Andrius, Flameaxe, Porochaz)

[2]

gandalf5166 (

Erg0

Quagmire, ooba)

Holstered: Darox, Lord Gurgi, Yosarian2

With fourteen alive, it will take eight drawn weapons to kill someone. Day Four may last until 12:59 AM due to the late replacement, but no later.

[Yosarian2]

Why don't you make a choice now? This isn't like me letting the town sway my hammer D3. You're a confirmed recruited, so you can be doing just as much scum-hunting as the rest of us.
Like you've said, it's as much in your best interest to lynch the other cult recruit as it is ours.

I actually can't scumhunt at all right now, which is kind of frustrating since we do need to lynch the other cult recruiter, but if I did scumhunt, people would try to use it to make connections later, to figure out who is or isn't in my cult. The amount of WIFOM involved, people trying to guess if I was or wasn't attacking my recruiter, ect, would just be a huge distraction to everything.

If the town is one vote short of lynching someone I think is likely to be in the other cult, I'll hammer, because once someone is getting hammered people trying to make connections is obviously no longer an issue, and because the town is probably going to need my vote in order to have any chance of lynching the large cult recruiter. But up until that point, I can't really do anything. The town is going to have to get orginized without my help, and they're going to have to do it soon; there's not much time left.

It almost makes me think that one of the top two suspects is your recruiter, but taking a stance on one of them would be suspicious in either avoiding lynching your own recruit

You see what I mean? I haven't commented on anyone since I was outed as a recruit, and you're ALREADY WIFOMing that.

If someone gets to lynch -1, I'm willing to hammer, and like I said, you guys are likely to need my vote. I'm not able to comment on anyone before that point, though.

[Flameaxe]

Gasp, its a Quagmire. This game just got so much more awesome.

[Lord Gurgi]

I think Quag may be on team sensible.

[singersigner]

Gasp, its a Quagmire. This game just got so much more awesome.

lol. You're voting for him=him leaving the game again.

[Flameaxe]

Gasp, its a Quagmire. This game just got so much more awesome.

lol. You're voting for him=him leaving the game again.

But it will be the most awesome half of a day ever!

[ooba]

We're getting awfully close to deadline .. Singersinger, why are you voting me ?

[Quagmire]

Alright, this is my first game in months, and I decided to replace into a fairly complex one. I have a friend staying at my apartment this weekend, when is the exact deadline?

Also, first things first -

Unvote

until I wrap my head around things. Will anyone care to provide me with links and posts that is a summary of what's happened so far? I'll read as much as I can of the game but I won't get to 102 pages before the deadline.

[Porochaz]

Quag, I advise leaving Day 1 till last. Read day 2 onwards and then if your not killing yourself read day 1.

[xvart]

Quagmire - RC did a decent enough summary of events when Datox recently replaced in.

As for the current wagon on ooba, here.

xvart.

[Porochaz]

Quag, I know your effectively Erg0 but don't join the ooba wagon.

[ReaperCharlie]

@ Quag: Giggity. Love your poker face. And whatever you decide to do, hurry up, either way. And preferably, vote for ooba.

@ Darox: rofl. Cause I'd TOTALLY stick my neck out/paint a target on my back if I was a recruiter. Yeaahh that makes sense.

[Quagmire]

What's the bandwagon on me for? Lurking/inactivity?

[Quagmire]

What page does day two start on?

[ReaperCharlie]

What's the bandwagon on me for? Lurking/inactivity?

For possibly being a recruiter. And for being suspicious.

What page does day two start on?

post #1220

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[Flameaxe]

What page does day two start on?

Flay has links to the death scenes in the first post, to make it easier to skip to a day.

[ooba]

With a day extension, we have less than three days to deadline ..

Chrono:

"While I'm inclined to doubt Ooba is a CR, I'll vote him today on the grounds that we can deal to Erg0 tomorrow. (whom I am inclined to believe probably is)"
- everyday in which we don't lynch either recruiter is bad. I understand you'd also fall into the "I don't think ooba is a recruiter, but will not mind seeing him gone" category but voting me esp. with your read on me is bad ..

singer:

ISO'd you and I can't really see why you're voting me .. If I had to guage a guess, I'd say it was to prove your connections to me are false and the entire ooba-ss theory is nonsense ..
Do you really have a recruiter read or reason as to why I am a recruiter? You said you can be persuaded for an erg0 lynch - I invite you to ISO him .. Rereading this game will also give you an indication as to how an erg0 wagon was effectively capsized for mine ..

xvart:

I can't answer the non-result on me .. But I invite you to read me and decide if I give you a recruiter vibe. Also read the points at the end ..

Robo:

I personally feel you're a recruit since the hop on-to my wagon was too easy. Wouldn't you rather try for the opposite recruiter?

gandalf:

Similar to xvart ..

RC:

I just don't know .. I know I can't convince you so I won't try .. But don't let ooba-scum paranoia from SW mafia cloud whatever judgment you have this game ..

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Vengeful mafia is a game with 1 GF, 1 Goon and 3 Mafia. The town wins if GF is lynched. If townie is lynched, he gets a vengeful shot. If he kills the GF, the game continues to 3 players with the goon.

Anybody who has played the above game will tell you that the Goon will never really force bus his GF since it is a loss. I would like to point out that a CR is as important a role to his team this game - After all if you lose your CR and the other team still has their own, you are just surviving while the other team is growing .. So minions will do anything to make sure the CR survives ..

Where is the cavalry for me?

If I am actually the CR, where is the support. Sure there is a bunch of people saying "ooba lynch is bad" but minions would do more than this if their CR is in trouble. I, as a minion
- would consider drawing attention to myself
- claiming to put a 50:50 with someone else. e.g: Say "I never received Chrono's RB PM - He's lying scum and other people who confirmed are recruits". Saves my recruiter
- Push a case very strongly on somebody else
None of these actions are happening. And if you're thinking - This is basically what you've been setting up with your team - No defense of you so that you can say this and escape from the noose. Not really because

Towns are lazy

. When a town gets close to deadline, they usually ask the person to claim. If the claim is believable, they lynch the second scummiest. If not, that person is lynched.

If the person has already claimed and is the top wagon close to deadline, he is invariably lynched.

I (and my hypothetical team) would not take a risk like that ..

[gandalf5166]

Nope. If you're the recruiter of the big team, you've practically already won. We'd literally have to lynch from your team repeatedly for the next couple of days, even if we got rid of you(the recruiter). So you wouldn't be nearly that important anymore, because you've already done your job.

[Darox]

@ Quag: Giggity. Love your poker face. And whatever you decide to do, hurry up, either way. And preferably, vote for ooba.

@ Darox: rofl. Cause I'd TOTALLY stick my neck out/paint a target on my back if I was a recruiter. Yeaahh that makes sense.

I've already explained why claiming enforcer doesn't put you at risk at all and in fact strengthens your ability to stay alive. Especially doing so on day 4, after the roleblocker has claimed and what looks like 4 LC actions have been taken.

@Goaded by Ooba:
I didn't even realize you might have been referring to me at first, since I didn't have Ooba (Or RC's case against Ooba) in mind at all when thinking of this situation. My first thought was Andrius being the recruiter and recruited RC, but then I noticed that didn't make sense for several reasons. Then later on when looking at Erg0's posts I realized everything fitted if RC was the recruiter instead.

1a: Andrius has survived 4 game days and 3 nights since claiming cop. I don't think it would be much of a risk claiming to be a third cop.
1b: Confirmed power roles have been pretty much decided to be guaranteed non-recruiters
2: Having two negative cop claims helps bolster support, and with the lack of his own cop power he can't get too creative with his own results (Relying solely on Andrius' results and whatever he can learn/fake as a recruiter)
3: Pushing a lynch on an 'easy' target means a day without one of his members being lynched and brings him closer to victory. The fact you have survived 2 game days since Andrius claimed his No Result on you shows it's going to take more than that to get you lynched.

- By risk I did not mean the risk of dying, its the risk of situations where he is counter'd e.g "I am a roleblocked. I blocked RC yesterday - couldn't have got a innocent on Chronopie".
- The confirmed power roles not being a recruiter is actually a double edged sword - people tend to get paranoid (Take my own case). Even so, RC was already confirmed by Andrius's N0 result as non-recruiter. (Assuming Andr\RC, the additional risk point still holds).
- While 3 is true, I come back to my point of "If he is recruiter, why not get one of his minions to claim and do the same thing?"
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1: He didn't claim until it was revealed that being RB'd gives you a notification.
2: My theory is based on the fact that the only link proving RC is Andrius. Andrius being recruited N0 is stated in my initial accusation.
3: Getting a cultist to reveal himself is a very dangerous thing, it provides a number of links to other cultists and the recruiter, as well as gives the town an easy lynch for future.

[Darox]

Oh hey check out those broken tags.

@gandalf: If we lynch the recruiter, we need to get the opposite recruiter.
If we manage that feat, we then need to lynch from the remaining cultists alternating so that neither cult gets too large a majority.

If we only lynch one recruiter, the other cult team (even if it's initially the smaller of the two) will win.
A cult recruiter sacrificing themselves and this point is suicide of their team.

[ooba]

Nope. If you're the recruiter of the big team, you've practically already won. We'd literally have to lynch from your team repeatedly for the next couple of days, even if we got rid of you(the recruiter). So you wouldn't be nearly that important anymore, because you've already done your job.

14 people .. Assume it's LyLo-1 so 5 peeps in the team .. Other team has 4 .. Town 5 .. (or Town 4, other team 5 doesn't matter)
I can anticipate a condition like "If all town are lynched, the team with the larger size wins" ..
So my team kills me today - 4
Other team still recruits - 5 .. even if you assume 3, doesn't stop the fact that they keep growing while you are stagnant ..

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But, even assuming that CR is expendable (which they aren't) and my team is hoping to win even after my death, where is the heavy duty bussing? RC is the only one on the wagon displaying any sort of unshakable resolve ..

[Darox]

Robo:

I personally feel you're a recruit since the hop on-to my wagon was too easy. Wouldn't you rather try for the opposite recruiter?

I despise this sentence with every fibre of my being. I'd be willing to vote you based on this alone if the singer business made any sense.

- Push a case very strongly on somebody else

This however made me laugh.

[ooba]

3: Getting a cultist to reveal himself is a very dangerous thing, it provides a number of links to other cultists and the recruiter, as well as gives the town an easy lynch for future.

I didn't mean say "Hey. I'm xvart and a recruit for one team. We have info that ooba is the opposite recruiter", I meant xvart could have done the same thing RC did if he was a recruit .. Claim enforcer .. Less risky than RC recruiter claiming no?

[Darox]

That doesn't provide the protection of being a claimed power role to RC though. Like I've shown, claiming enforcer when RC did has zero risk and high gains, especially with Andrius supporting him.

[ReaperCharlie]

ooba's 2541 is ridiculously terrible.

1. Tries to throw more dirt on my case by saying I shouldn't be paid any attention to because I am biased because of SW mafia.
But did I mention SW mafia in #2500? no. This is a poor excuse to stop his wagon from going through.

2. Asks Robocopter whether he'd rather vote for the "opposite" recruiter. As in, the recruiter that is not him. Scumslip.

Love,
-Reaper