Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[El Goosuki]

Good morning everyone!

-DGB

Dispatch: Fate

[Triglav]

Here we come to save the day!
...or, mostly just mumble a bit and point fingers.

Manho and Triglav, what do you think of kunkstar7 so far?

We believe you are correct that he has not given any stellar stances.
We think the theory discussion "tell" is less valuable in this particular game environment.
Of the current big wagons he would be the one we'd be most excited by as the other three are herpy with a touch of derpy.
We'd still rather lynch Baby Spice over the other four big wagons and want conversation in that direction - what do you think of Baby Spice?
Honestly would probably rather lynch xvart too - but doubt that wagon will get any headway.

@xvart - you need a RC flip for Baby Spice?
What do you expect to discover?
If RC is scum nothing he said can be trusted.
If RC is town then he suspected Baby Spice and may or may not have been correct.
BS is independently scummy of RC.

Agree with MoI that Plum is not obv. town.
Still bewildered by Wraith wagon - what's the case there? He's obnoxious? Whopp-dee-doo.
Vote Baby Spice.

Could everybody not voting ElG please state why you don't believe they are scummy, when even they have admitted that they'd vote for themselves due to their behaviour?

Already did but shall do so again.
Case is predicated on them being dumb enough scum to make a claim that is stupid.
No consideration is given to the idea that they could be dumb enough town to make an action that is stupid.
Why can only scum be dumb?
As evidence we present; furcolow.
Defense rests.

[Wraith]

Still bewildered by Wraith wagon - what's the case there? He's obnoxious? Whopp-dee-doo.

God damn it, you made me crack up in the middle of class XD

[xvart]

@xvart - you need a RC flip for Baby Spice?
What do you expect to discover?
If RC is scum nothing he said can be trusted.
If RC is town then he suspected Baby Spice and may or may not have been correct.
BS is independently scummy of RC.

I agree that BS is independently scummy of RC, but RC flipping Cult would be the icing on the cake for me, as I have a feeling that she was trying to derail his wagon when it was going North.

People who quote instead of scum hunt piss me me off -

- Seacore, 2010

Benmage in particular, I'd like to see some scum reads please.

Yawn.....just pretend I paraphrased someone else's ideas...but be sure to note some added spiffy-ness.

Hell, who are your scum reads?

Where is all the analysis/catch up you promised how many times how long ago?

xvart.

[Wickedestjr]

Um, I generally agree with your robbing plan wicked, though I still prefer my own incarnation of having town looking players cycling in and out of grave robbing while keeping the scummiest of the scum shut down permanently with robbing duties. I think my version is better at limiting the cult and yours is more geared toward shutting down murderers, so it's really a priority issue. If there were more apparent murderers on the table right now, I'd probably opt for yours. Right now, I'd rather deal with the cult though.

Normally I would put more focus on cult, but there is only one murderer in this game (unless one tried to kill me, in which case, we'll probably find out before my plan has done too much damage). This means that they only have one objective in this game as opposed to three: kill three times successfully. We could focus more on cult for grave robbing, but regardless of how well it turns out, we would lose if the murderer murdered three times. I remember the strategy last time being try to get rid of cult during the day and try to stop murderers during the night. Of course resuscitators will help with this, but we can't count on it and it won't be nearly as effective as my plan.

Wraith is scum, with kunkstar, for his IGMEOY but not vote in the last post.

What do you think of kunkstar individually?

Mod: Nicodemus switched their vote to kunkstar7.

The following players still need to give their opinions on kunkstar7:

Andrius
AurorusVox
Baby Spice
Benmage
El Goosuki
Feysal
hitorogoshi
MagnaofIllusion
Plum
Seacore
SpyreX
VP Baltar

Furcolow

, wanna vote kunkstar?

Triglav

, I do suspect Baby Spice, but kunkstar is currently distracting me. However, if we were to lynch him, I'd be more likely to have my vote there in the future. Baby Spice isn't attracting enough attention to be lynched. Kunkstar is. You'll either have to switch your vote to kunkstar or explain why we should switch our votes to Baby Spice.

Trilobite

, MoI has acted suspiciously, but at least he has made some attempt throughout the game to scumhunt. The same can't be said of kunkstar7.

Wraith

, you are voting El Goosuki for trying to fly under the radar, limited reasoning for votes, their first vote being at page 50, and uselessness. Flying under the radar can definitely be applied to kunkstar7. Uselessness can also be, considering most of his posting has consisted of theory. Kunkstar didn't switch his vote off of Furcolow until about page 50, AND the person he switched his vote to was the player with the bandwagon. He has given reasons for votes, but some of his suspicions have had really bad reasons.

xvart

, why not switch to the kunkstar bandwagon now?

[xvart]

xvart

, why not switch to the kunkstar bandwagon now?

Your feelings about Baby Spice and kunkstar mirror my feelings about kunkstar and El Goosuki.

xvart.

[Wraith]

@mod: When is deadline?

[SpyreX]

Spare me. You’ve made a career here of being obtuse and annoying as a tactic to limit your perceived obv-Town status.

I, what?

On top of that being so awesomely wrong I can't even fathom it the "YEA YOU TOO" defense is awesome.

But, lets make this clearer since I wouldn't want to be obtuse or anything like that:

The "I am being scummy on purpose" defense is bad in most situations - namely, when Jojo the hypercharger death machine does it so that he keeps his "sweet ass role".

In this setup? It is terrible. Because, ultimately, it amounts to "I don't want to be NK'd so I'm gonna get lynched instead!"

There was no SHOCKING REVELATIONS involved. Nothing. Just self-preservation which is tech.

Now, in addition to that, it doesn't even make sense - coming out the gates at Fur? That is stirring up controversy?

Going OMG PLUM ISNT OBV-TOWN (hint: not actually saying she's scum) is helpful?

Not so much.

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On other notes ElG needs to go.

Wrath is still town and Plummen you need to look at the company you are keeping.

@Wicked,

I'm down with kunk BUT I'd prefer others today by a margin.

[Vi]

@mod: When is deadline?

There is a deadline timer in every vote count.

[Seacore]

@Wicked,

As I've said, I can kinda see the case on Kunk, but when I look closely at it, it doesn't seem too different from the way many people are playing. Tunneling and sheeping, to me, are less super tells in a game like this.

[totallynotmafia]

Need to catch up this weekend, not that it looks like much has changed from a quick skim of what I've missed.

[El Goosuki]

My opinion of kunkstar has been sollicited? Here it is.

He'd be crazy to play murderer after being caught and humiliated in the SA-II.

But you know. WIFOM.

-DGB

[Wraith]

Uh...

Kunkstar wasn't a murderer in SAII. He was a townie who got destroyed in endgame.

[El Goosuki]

Oops, bad memory.

-DGB

[Triglav]

@El Gooski - so opinion of Kunkstar is

he would be unlikely to go murderer

non-existent?

Triglav can appreciate lack of constant posting attention.
But if you're going to answer a question at least answer it.
We understand you are dense hydra.
But above is unacceptable.
Do not make Triglav wrong in read on you. Triglav is a petulant god.

[kunkstar7]

Mod: V/LA till Sunday again.

This is probably going to end up being every weekend.

[El Goosuki]

kunkstar is unlikely to go murderer on account of his not going murderer last time. That's my opinion.

-DGB

[Vi]

Vote Count

MagnaofIllusion - 7

(Trilobite, VP Baltar, Benmage, VasudeVa, hitogoroshi, Furcolow, Plum)

El Goosuki - 5

(Seacore, SpyreX, kunkstar7, Wraith, xvart)

kunkstar7 - 5

(totallynotmafia, Wickedestjr, Furpants_Tom, nopointinactingup, Nicodemus)

Wraith - 2

(

Plum,

manho, AurorusVox)

Baby Spice - 1

(Triglav)

VasudeVa - 1

(MagnaofIllusion)

Not Voting - 4 (Andrius, Baby Spice, Feysal, El Goosuki)

Fate

is currently

Soulless

. The following

11

players wish to

Dispatch Fate

: (VP Baltar, kunkstar7, MagnaofIllusion, Seacore, nopointinactingup, Trilobite, manho, Wickedestjr, Baby Spice, Benmage, El Goosuki)

Mod: Nicodemus switched their vote to kunkstar7.

Fixed.

...And double-fixed. ~Percy

The deadline for

Day 2

is 10:30am, Wednesday November 24th default site time.

With 25 alive, 13 votes secures a Lynch/Dispatch.

[Furpants_Tom]

kunkstar is unlikely to go murderer on account of his not going murderer last time. That's my opinion.

-DGB

This is like pulling teeth.

El Goosuki: Do you think that kunkstar is or might be cult. If so, why? If not, why not?

[Furpants_Tom]

And then I left out an important question mark. Ahem...

El Goosuki: Do you think that kunkstar is or might be cult? If so, why? If not, why not?

[El Goosuki]

kunkstar - Doesn't strike me as such obv scum.

Now let's look at who is voting kunkstar:

Nicodemus - 5 big fat scummy posts.
nopoint - 24 skinny posts.
Furpants_Tom - Other than verbal diarrhea, the guy seems alright.
Wickedestjr - This guy is goo-o-o-o-d. He's the one who made the case against kunkstar that everyone is riding.
totallynotmafia - Makes good point against kunkstar. He looks clean.

I would like to lynch Nicodemus.

Nicodemus (5 posts total, beginning Nov 3) replaced Bowser (5 posts total, last post Oct 26) which means we've got a total of 10 posts from this lurkerscum player scum.

On the basis of this intense lurkage alone, he needs a good lynching.

Also,

3/5

of Nicodemus' posts include a CONVENIENT WAGON HOP!!!

He's scum.

-DGB

VOTE: Nicodemus

[manho]

unvote, vote: kunkstar

[hitogoroshi]

Sorry for the intense lurking. I've hit a relative lull in my schedule so I'll try to catch my shit up.

First thoughts: MoI seems have an intense "sneer" feel in his posts. He's not giving off the vibe of "geez, you guys are on the wrong track" as much as "HAHA, your case is PITIFUL." I tend to call this a pretty strong scumtell, but it's also one that's very meta-dependant (i.e, some players sneer against all cases against them all the time regardless of alignment.) Would appreciate someone with meta knowledge of MoI to weigh in on this one.

El G's vote on Nico is super-skeevy. It seems an awful lot like "shit, who's lurking harder than us? That's the only person we can vote in good faith!"

Someone (wicked or fur, forget which) wanted me to weigh on kunkstar. I literally have nothing in my head about him - his positions, his actions, etc. I'll have to ISO him to get a read; thanks for pointing out this blind spot.

[El Goosuki]

Iso Nicoldemus before you defend him, you slacker. DO IT!!!!

You may be on to something regarding the MoI sneer, but I am, of course, too lazy to scour for his meta.

-DGB

[El Goosuki]

Looking up this account, I see 87 posts. Sure, they are each more inane than the next, but at least we show evidence of a pulse, if amidst a lack of brain waves.

We will take credit for nailing Nicodemus-scum when he flips. Just a fair warning.

-DGB