Succession Mafia (OVER!)

[Porochaz]

Having now looked through your posts, you have not changed my opinion one iota.

[Darox]

Thank you. It's nice to have some support.

[Chronopie]

Andrius claims an innocent on RC N0. Claimed D1.

Unless you believe Andrius to have been recruited N0...

What's more, the results he (RC) has come up with aren't really what I'd expect from a non-cop taking shotrs in the dark. although picking two targets [same as Andy] would help. Predicting that I'd have not been recruited by now, as a flavour confirmed roleblocker... Major stretch of imagination. amirite?

Therefore RC cannot be a recruiter, because he had an innocent result on him before Andrius was likely recruited.

Robo claims to have protected Andrius since N1.

Therefore, the only way for Andrius to have been recruited is for Robo to have been either a) recruited too or b) blocked, by the other roleblocker

on N1

(assuming there are

just

two roleblockers), and he didn't claim such.

Whether Andy's been recruited since... idk. doesn't matter overmuch anyway. Except we know, if he has been recruited (by Robo having been recruited prior, see my point on RBs), that he's

probably

not on Yos2's team.

tl;dr Don't be lazy.


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RC almost certainly cannot be recruiter, for andrius would have had to be recruited N0 for that.

Andrius is unlikely to have been recruited, unless Robo is also a recruit. (not unlikely in and of itself)

[Darox]

I notice you didn't read my posts either.

Thanks for playing.

[Andrius]

It makes me undecided.

But if it'll help you sleep at night, I'll vote RC because I still think he is a legitimate lynch choice today.

Aim: ReaperCharlie

While I think RC is Cult, I don't think he's recruiter, and therein a bad lynch for now.

[Lord Gurgi]

I think I've explained my position pretty thoroughly, at the moment, I'm waiting for Quag to mount a defense/argument.

[ReaperCharlie]

Ok... while that IS the kind of gambit I'd love to play (recruiting my best friend in the game on N0, seeing he's a cop, thinking "score! gambit time!", having him claim cop D1, and claim an innocent on me, claiming cop MYSELF on D4 and parroting his results, drawing all sorts of attention to myself and trying to push a lynch on who I think is the OTHER recruiter, all the while painting a blazing red target on my head).... unfortunately it just wasn't in the cards this game. Maybe next time, baby.

However. It IS very interesting to see that Darox, after reading the thread (hopefully in its entirety), decides that THIS CLOSE TO THE DEADLINE, he'd rather push a lynch on the most ridiculous candidate possible (Yours Truly), instead of ... oh... maybe CONTRIBUTING to a lynch that's already got say... ONE vote on it? Even, two? Or even ANY of the people who haven't been confirmed as non-recruiter by either of the two (claimed) cops? i.e. himself, Erg0, xvart, Flameaxe, and the one or two others?

WHAT THE HE11, FOLKS.

I mean. I would probably rofl and all, but it's too /headdesk for even that.

So Darox: I'll make a deal with you. Lynch ooba today. If ooba flips town, you guys can lynch me tomorrow and I won't care because I've already lost. And if (like I think might be correct) he flips recruiter, we'll lynch you tomorrow. If he flips recruited, we'll also lynch you tomorrow, for indirectly trying to defend him (ironically, after half-bussing him through most of your catchup posts).

Deal?

[Darox]

What a champion player.

I love how everyone ignores how I pointed out claiming enforcer isn't a risk or a crazy move because they're so entrenched in how standard games work out.

[ReaperCharlie]

Feel free to ignore MY point that voting anyone besides ooba or Erg0 is USELESS at this point. Especially if it's me.

[Darox]

We can always have a quicklynch just for you. We've still got 24 hours.

I'll be around to adjust my vote before and during the deadline anyway.

Hoping to see Quag say something before that hits, by the way.

[ooba]

Looks like gandalf is not happening ..

Holster. Aim: Quag

Darox, a RC lynch is not happening. Move your vote to me or Quag ..

[Quagmire]

Is the deadline Sunday? I'm trying to catch up, as I said I have a visitor this weekend so I'm a bit V/LA. I don't think I'll have anything substantive by the deadline, but I'm reading up on things now.

[Quagmire]

Alright so I'm reading over the ooba case.. haven't started reading what's d2 and beyond yet, so I'm still trying to pick up what's happened in this game so far. Why are people suspicious of me/Erg0? Was Erg0 just a general lurker?

Someone other than ReaperCharlie explain these points to me. Tell me if he is right/wrong, and why he is right/wrong about these points:

1.

Why would signersigner

completely

waste

a vig shot

unless she was protecting someone? i.e. herself or a recruiter. Answer:

SHE WOULDN'T. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO.

3.

We don't know that signersigner is a loose cannon at all.

She hasn't proven anything except for a mechanic which only ooba corroborates, and that the only confirmed loose cannon NEVER MENTIONED. Which leads me to the next point.

4.

We don't know that the

?????

vote was singersigner.

In fact, I'd bet good money that it

wasn't

her. It could have been anyone, not just her or ooba. The whole thing is, we KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS SITUATION. WHICH MAKES IT ALL FISHY.

So it's my understanding that during the game singersinger vigged someone at random. How do we know this isn't a case of a user making a silly 'newbie-like' decision? Can someone who has played with singersinger give me an idea of his meta? Is he one of those players? And what is this

?????

vote ReaperCharlie is talking about?

2.

We don't even know that ooba is a loose cannon at all.

He hasn't proven it except for claiming a nightkill that could have been a scum nightkill. Which was on one of the most pro-town people in the game at that point.

5.

The ONLY person who corroborates ANYTHING signersigner says is.... ooba. Great.

6.

The ONLY person who corroborates ANYTHING ooba says is.... signersigner. Great.

What is the connection between signersinger and ooba? What is 'corroborates' in this context?

OK, I'm going to read over this and hopefully get started on stuff d2 and beyond.

7.

TWO SEPARATE COPS got a NO-RESULT on ooba!

HE IS NOT TOWN. HE IS NOT RECRUITEDSCUM. WE WERE NOT BLOCKED. SO THE ONLY THING LEFT IS.... *DUN DUN DUUUuuuuUuUuuuUUNNNN!!!!* -- YOU DO THE MATH.

Two separate cops getting no-results is alarming, but it's not necessarily an end-all.

[Quagmire]

What we Know

General

1. There are two recruiting factions with one recruiter each. This is splained in the modposting.
2. Current speculation is that cultscum factions can either recruit or kill, once per night.
3. All players who started as town have role PM flavor about what they want to do when this is over.
4. It's pretty much LyLo. Unless you're in the big cult. See "Yosarian2" below for more info.

How do we know 2, and 4?

[Yosarian2]

So it's my understanding that during the game singersinger vigged someone at random.

Actually, singersinger claims to have a role where she could either make a one-shot vig or do a one-shot double vote, and she apparently chose to double vote instead of using a vig shot.

[Darox]

Alright so I'm reading over the ooba case.. haven't started reading what's d2 and beyond yet, so I'm still trying to pick up what's happened in this game so far. Why are people suspicious of me/Erg0? Was Erg0 just a general lurker?

Someone other than ReaperCharlie explain these points to me. Tell me if he is right/wrong, and why he is right/wrong about these points:

1.

Why would signersigner

completely

waste

a vig shot

unless she was protecting someone? i.e. herself or a recruiter. Answer:

SHE WOULDN'T. THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO.

3.

We don't know that signersigner is a loose cannon at all.

She hasn't proven anything except for a mechanic which only ooba corroborates, and that the only confirmed loose cannon NEVER MENTIONED. Which leads me to the next point.

4.

We don't know that the

?????

vote was singersigner.

In fact, I'd bet good money that it

wasn't

her. It could have been anyone, not just her or ooba. The whole thing is, we KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS SITUATION. WHICH MAKES IT ALL FISHY.

So it's my understanding that during the game singersinger vigged someone at random. How do we know this isn't a case of a user making a silly 'newbie-like' decision? Can someone who has played with singersinger give me an idea of his meta? Is he one of those players? And what is this

?????

vote ReaperCharlie is talking about?

Singer has claimed a Loose Cannon role. They apparently have either a one shot night kill OR a one shot double vote ability. Singer chose to use the double vote ability day 3.

2.

We don't even know that ooba is a loose cannon at all.

He hasn't proven it except for claiming a nightkill that could have been a scum nightkill. Which was on one of the most pro-town people in the game at that point.

5.

The ONLY person who corroborates ANYTHING signersigner says is.... ooba. Great.

6.

The ONLY person who corroborates ANYTHING ooba says is.... signersigner. Great.

What is the connection between signersinger and ooba? What is 'corroborates' in this context?

OK, I'm going to read over this and hopefully get started on stuff d2 and beyond.

Singer and Ooba have both claimed the Loose Cannon role. He means they are the only people to confirm that the other has the role and how it works.

What we Know

General

1. There are two recruiting factions with one recruiter each. This is splained in the modposting.
2. Current speculation is that cultscum factions can either recruit or kill, once per night.
3. All players who started as town have role PM flavor about what they want to do when this is over.
4. It's pretty much LyLo. Unless you're in the big cult. See "Yosarian2" below for more info.

How do we know 2, and 4?

#2: We don't know at all.
#4: We don't. In fact it won't be LYLO for a while, but the town may not be a majority by tomorrow assuming worst case scenario.

[ooba]

The townies and the cult team with the lesser member really need to pick it up .. We're so close to deadline and I really can't see any urgency ..

[ooba]

Re-emphasizing for the non-scum on my wagon ..

Vengeful mafia is a game with 1 GF, 1 Goon and 3 Mafia. The town wins if GF is lynched. If townie is lynched, he gets a vengeful shot. If he kills the GF, the game continues to 3 players with the goon.

Anybody who has played the above game will tell you that the Goon will never really force bus his GF since it is a loss. I would like to point out that a CR is as important a role to his team this game - After all if you lose your CR and the other team still has their own, you are just surviving while the other team is growing .. So minions will do anything to make sure the CR survives ..

Where is the cavalry for me?

If I am actually the CR, where is the support. Sure there is a bunch of people saying "ooba lynch is bad" but minions would do more than this if their CR is in trouble. I, as a minion
- would consider drawing attention to myself
- claiming to put a 50:50 with someone else. e.g: Say "I never received Chrono's RB PM - He's lying scum and other people who confirmed are recruits". Saves my recruiter
- Push a case very strongly on somebody else
None of these actions are happening. And if you're thinking - This is basically what you've been setting up with your team - No defense of you so that you can say this and escape from the noose. Not really because

Towns are lazy

. When a town gets close to deadline, they usually ask the person to claim. If the claim is believable, they lynch the second scummiest. If not, that person is lynched.

If the person has already claimed and is the top wagon close to deadline, he is invariably lynched.

I (and my hypothetical team) would not take a risk like that ..

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Also people not voting or on wagons which won't really lead anywhere (LG and Darox if I'm right) should choose and switch ..

[Quagmire]

Flay, can we get an updated VC and confirmation that the deadline is midnight ET tonight?

[singersigner]

Is the deadline Sunday? I'm trying to catch up, as I said I have a visitor this weekend so I'm a bit V/LA. I don't think I'll have anything substantive by the deadline, but I'm reading up on things now.

Will you be willing to vote for the largest wagon to get a lynch by deadline? Regardless of having caught up or not?

[Porochaz]

Quag to try and fill out the answers a bit,

singer was under a bit of pressure, so he claimed loose cannon which has been described above, to prove it he used his "double vote" to hammer. When it went to night, the wagon showed singer as the second last vote and ???? as the last vote, this implies that he used it, but that might not be totally 100%. My personal view is to take it as is. This answers 3 to an extent beyond ooba claiming loose cannon before her and also claiming he used his one shot vig kill on zwet. It does tie them together, but I would totally believe ooba killed zwet straight away and that even if there wasn't a better option like voting someone who is an "unknown", ooba shouldn't be lynched because there is significant evidence against lynching him. Singer less so but still...

As for the "WHAT WE KNOW", its filled with innaccuracies. 4 for instance, assumes yos2 is telling the complete truth despite him being a recruiter, and doesn't take some of the more "out there" theories into consideration, like there only being one cult and its total speculation. 2 we have no evidence at all to suggest it, neither do we have conclusive evidence that 1 is correct either. Still haven't found out where he got 3 from either...

Ninja Edit: Singer, you realise that that will most likely be a choice of himself or ooba?

Also I want it totally clear, I wont be voting ooba at deadline.

[Quagmire]

Is the deadline Sunday? I'm trying to catch up, as I said I have a visitor this weekend so I'm a bit V/LA. I don't think I'll have anything substantive by the deadline, but I'm reading up on things now.

Will you be willing to vote for the largest wagon to get a lynch by deadline? Regardless of having caught up or not?

Yes, that's why I want to confirm that the deadline is midnight EST. I want to try and catch up as much if not I need to cast a vote. Sounds like ooba is our best bet for a lynch today, but whether or not I'll actually support it I'll find out as I read up.

[Quagmire]

Quag to try and fill out the answers a bit,

singer was under a bit of pressure, so he claimed loose cannon which has been described above, to prove it he used his "double vote" to hammer. When it went to night, the wagon showed singer as the second last vote and ???? as the last vote, this implies that he used it, but that might not be totally 100%. My personal view is to take it as is. This answers 3 to an extent beyond ooba claiming loose cannon before her and also claiming he used his one shot vig kill on zwet. It does tie them together, but I would totally believe ooba killed zwet straight away and that even if there wasn't a better option like voting someone who is an "unknown", ooba shouldn't be lynched because there is significant evidence against lynching him. Singer less so but still...

As for the "WHAT WE KNOW", its filled with innaccuracies. 4 for instance, assumes yos2 is telling the complete truth despite him being a recruiter, and doesn't take some of the more "out there" theories into consideration, like there only being one cult and its total speculation. 2 we have no evidence at all to suggest it, neither do we have conclusive evidence that 1 is correct either. Still haven't found out where he got 3 from either...

Ninja Edit: Singer, you realise that that will most likely be a choice of himself or ooba?

Also I want it totally clear, I wont be voting ooba at deadline.

What is the evidence against lynching ooba at deadline?

Is the only evidence against him that he stupidly vigged someone N1? From what I gather, individual role mechanics are meaningless in determining alignment?

[xvart]

The evidence against the ooba wagon is that he is who he says he is: a loose cannon and therefore not a recruiter. However, the alternative wagon was Erg0 based on general lurkiness and not really taking a stand (I think, there are a couple others like this as well so I might be getting the peeps mixed up).

The fact that ooba has evidence against him (no result on cop investigation) is more than any of the alternative wagons.

xvart.

[Porochaz]

Erg0 is a prime lynch candidate as he still could be a possible recruiter. Which could be said about BBM, xvart, gandalf, myself and one or two others. The reason why he has been elevated above the rest of us is that he hasn't been able to form an opinion and that was only when he did post. The increased pressure on him he basically ignored.

In the category below (unlikely recruiter) is ooba and singer (Im also going to throw yos in this group) in that they have claimed a power role, they have evidence evidence against them, but at the same time there is evidence for them as well.

Lastly there are the people who are confirmed not to be a recruiter, Andi and Chrono are the only 2, I think. Chrono's confirmed with the flavour he gives people when he blocks them and Andi is pretty much confirmed with his guilty on yos.

Then we have Andi's results which gives an innocent to Lord Gurgi and RC.