Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day


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Post Post #2400 (ISO) » Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:12 pm

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Trilobite #2336 wrote:For someone that is so careful with his vote Feysal's explanation for his Babyspice vote looks really bad. He is really climbing the scum list with this.
Why, something wrong with it? I researched the top wagons, and after I finished, I found I had lost confidence in those cases, particularly the one on MoI. I thought of an alternative, and voted Baby Spice. Or perhaps you wanted a more thorough explanation of the case on her? Here it is, I just did another ISO read.

As said, the original reason for the wagon on Baby Spice was her confusion in calling Benmage town and anti-town. Her explanation was that Benmage was likely an investigator, but playing in an anti-town manner, which sounds plausible. I said this much in my first ISO of her.

Much more suspicious is the fact that both Baby Spice and xvart claimed to have warded MoI. It could happen, but it is also a possible false claim for the cult. Originally I thought xvart was more suspect, but my opinion of him has improved since. Baby Spice was the first to claim, but she could have known MoI had been warded due to the failure of a craft fetish action, so she could still be cult.

I also found something new to add to the case. When nopoint and I claimed to have resuscitated Wickedestjr, Plum asked for our reasons. This gave me the idea of checking why Baby Spice and xvart chose MoI.
Baby Spice #308 wrote:I also warded. Chose MoI basically at random since I have played with virtually no one here...
xvart #603 wrote:
I warded MoI
because of his play and smarts in aCoK large theme, and his thought/thinking in that game, which would be beneficial in this game due to the complexities.
I've never played with MoI before, apart from another game which started shortly before this one, but I've understood he is considered a strong player. xvart choosing to ward him based on his abilities makes sense. But Baby Spice claimed to have chosen him at random. Given that there were only 8 potential targets needing to be resuscitated, and probably several people with res kits, I can believe nopoint and me picking the same target. But with 27 potential ward targets and only 4 people who claimed wards, the odds of picking the same person are considerably lower. If Baby Spice had chosen MoI based on experience with his play, I might believe it. But choosing the same player at random is an awfully convenient coincidence.

Other than that, Baby Spice tunneled on Furcolow for much of day 1, and was the last to unvote him. To be fair, her being the last may not mean that much, since she was away at the time. In the last vote count before she posted her V/LA Furcolow had 6 votes. The next day she was the only one left. What is suspicious that when she came back, she suddenly changed her opinion of Furcolow, deciding he was being a VI, which most others had realized long ago. That was pointed out by some players, and it does look like she was looking for a way out of a failed wagon.

Since then, there is nothing really remarkable about Baby Spice's posts. There is some discussion of game mechanics, she supported RC's case on xvart, and commented on game events for most of today.

Overall, this is certainly the strongest case I have at this time, and I like my vote where it is, for now. I can switch to avoid a no lynch, but I am not too sure about any of our current top wagons.
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Post Post #2401 (ISO) » Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:15 pm

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Seacore wrote:It doesn't block out the 3rd wagonee, but it still up's their insanity count in an auditable way.

Having a scummy player rob only one body is useless, they can still commit a secondary action, rendering the graverob useless. I don't see how incrementing insanity counts like that is helpful for town. Each scummy player on the list NEEDS to graverob twice. So if we only have three bodies then the 3rd Wagonee slot is better to leave open. (the protown player on that slot prevents cult dust.)
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Post Post #2402 (ISO) » Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:18 pm

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Feysal makes a very good case.
It appears that El G is not going to be today's lynch, people are willing to wait to see if they continue to be scummy.

I do not like the kunk or the MoI wagons, although I'd settle for kunk in a pinch.

None of my other suspects have a chance at being lynched.

I'm joining this wagon

Unvote. Vote: BS



@kunk. more insanity points = more insanities, = more ways of catching scum out. I'd rather force that scummy person to take on another insanity.
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Post Post #2403 (ISO) » Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:41 pm

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Seacore wrote:Okay, so,

Final Grave Rob Roster V2

RC = VP, 2nd Wagonee
Fate = Benmage, 3rd Wagonee
LB = Wicked, 3rd Wagonee
Lynchee = Hito, 2nd Wagonee

I've given in to Benmage's request to lynch Fate, I personally don't see the harm in letting him choose, particularly since he doesn't know who his robbing partner will be at this point.

If we decide not to dispatch fate, or can't swing the dispatch votes in time, then lets just have

RC = VP, 2nd Wagonee
LB = Wicked, 3rd Wagonee
Lynchee = Hito, 2nd Wagonee

It doesn't block out the 3rd wagonee, but it still up's their insanity count in an auditable way.
I would argue that Hito be swapped for BenMage in the 3 corpse scenario; but it's not exactly a deal-breaker for me. Apart from that:
I'm Furpants_Tom, and I endorse this message.


Feysal does actually make a good point about the probabilities of a double ward on the first night. I'm not convinced xvart's explanation is all that; but it does push both him and Baby Spice further up my scum-list.
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Post Post #2404 (ISO) » Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:46 pm

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Seacore wrote:How about we swap Furc out and put Benmage in. I don't think Furc can be trusted to do anything.
Yeah, but how the hell can we control him if not through Grave Robbing?
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Post Post #2405 (ISO) » Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:48 pm

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We can't. Forming our plans around the assumption that it's possible is only going to make those plans fail.
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Post Post #2406 (ISO) » Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:27 pm

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Andrius wrote:
Seacore wrote:How about we swap Furc out and put Benmage in. I don't think Furc can be trusted to do anything.
Yeah, but how the hell can we control him if not through Grave Robbing?
Furpants_Tom wrote:We can't. Forming our plans around the assumption that it's possible is only going to make those plans fail.
Oh, there is one way, and I recommend it happen during Night 4 and 5.
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Post Post #2407 (ISO) » Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:29 pm

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Seacore wrote:
Andrius wrote:
Seacore wrote:How about we swap Furc out and put Benmage in. I don't think Furc can be trusted to do anything.
Yeah, but how the hell can we control him if not through Grave Robbing?
Furpants_Tom wrote:We can't. Forming our plans around the assumption that it's possible is only going to make those plans fail.
Oh, there is one way, and I recommend it happen during Night 4 and 5.
Pray, do tell.
Unless its secret information.
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Post Post #2408 (ISO) » Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:33 pm

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Sorry, there was no attempt there to be discreet. I think somebody should stalk and murder him later on. That way we get rid of an unreliable player, who may be going murderer and we can attempt to confirm his killer as investigator.
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Post Post #2409 (ISO) » Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:37 pm

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Nicodemus

DIE DIE DIE

-DGB
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Post Post #2410 (ISO) » Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:45 pm

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Dear El Goosuki,

Please contribute.

The following are not examples of contributions:
El Goosuki wrote:Nicodemus

DIE DIE DIE

-DGB
El Goosuki wrote:Your defense of Nicodemus is noted, you ignoble cultbag!

-DGB
El Goosuki wrote:You know how much I love all of you... please...

-DGB
El Goosuki wrote:OMG Nicodemus made a post WITHOUT A VOTE!!!!

Why so shy, suddenly?

please oh please oh pretty please

Can someone kick the chair under Nicodemus? I will be forever grateful. For the love of all that is light and good and happy. Let's lynch Nicodemus.
El Goosuki wrote:Nicodemus... needs to die... moar...
El Goosuki wrote:Deadline is on the 24 - we can lynch Nicodemus.

MOAR NICODEMUS VOATS PLOX

-DGB
These are your last six posts. Please actually do something. Nico is not going to get lynched today. Nobody has responded positively to your 'case'. Please choose one of the actual wagons.
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Post Post #2411 (ISO) » Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:47 pm

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He really should get lynched though, he's a naughty cultbag.

Why, you think Nicodemus is pro-town?

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Post Post #2412 (ISO) » Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:58 pm

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I don't. Not many people are arguing that he's obv-town.
But he's hardly any different from several players in this game as far as contributing.
Also, your case has already been refuted as it doesn't account for his vote on Tom.

Saying something over and over again doesn't help push a case. You've had half a week now to persuade people that Nico is scum, nobody agrees. So please either present more reasons, or move to a more likely lynch.
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Post Post #2413 (ISO) » Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:49 pm

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Vote Count

*whisper whisper*


MagnaofIllusion - 7
(Trilobite, VP Baltar, Benmage, VasudeVa, hitogoroshi, Furcolow, Plum)
kunkstar7 - 6
(totallynotmafia, Wickedestjr, Furpants_Tom, nopointinactingup, Nicodemus, manho)
El Goosuki - 4
(
Seacore
, SpyreX, kunkstar7, Wraith, xvart)
Baby Spice - 3
(Triglav, Feysal, Seacore)
Wraith - 1
(AurorusVox)
VasudeVa - 1
(MagnaofIllusion)
Nicodemus - 1
(El Goosuki)
xvart - 1
(Andrius)

Not Voting - 1 (
Andrius
, Baby Spice)

Fate
is currently
Soulless
. The following
12
players wish to
Dispatch Fate
: (VP Baltar, kunkstar7, MagnaofIllusion, Seacore, nopointinactingup, Trilobite, manho, Wickedestjr, Baby Spice, Benmage, El Goosuki, Andrius)

Looking for a replacement for manho.

No-one needs prodding, :thumbs up:

If the
Cultists
are equal in number to the
Investigators
, I will assume that any
Soulless
will be
Dispatched
immediately. Therefore, they won't affect the
Cultist
Win Condition
.

I have updated the OP with Lost Butterfly's death.


The deadline for
Day 2
is 10:30am, Wednesday November 24th default site time. That's slightly over 7 days from now.


With 25 alive, 13 votes secures a Lynch/Dispatch.
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Post Post #2414 (ISO) » Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:50 pm

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Tom, given Percy's answer, let's dispatch Fate good and violently please.
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Post Post #2415 (ISO) » Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:57 pm

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Well, the four corpse set-up is superior for locking up wagonee 3's actions; and given that his dessicated wandering meat puppet won't help us in endgame...

IT'S HAMMER-TIME!

Dispatch: Fate
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Post Post #2416 (ISO) » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:04 pm

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Grave Rob Roster

RC = VP, 2nd Wagonee
Fate = Benmage, 3rd Wagonee
LB = Wicked, 3rd Wagonee
Lynchee = Hito, 2nd Wagonee

Agreement List


Those definitely partaking

Benmage - Agreed
hitorogoshi
VP Baltar - Agreed
Wickedestjr


Those potentially partaking

Baby Spice
El Goosuki
kunkstar7 - Agreed
MagnaofIllusion


Those unlikely partaking

Andrius
AurorusVox
Feysal
Furpants_Tom - Agreed
manho
Nicodemus
nopointinactingup
Plum
Seacore - Agreed
SpyreX
totallynotmafia
Triglav
Trilobite
VasudeVa
Wraith
xvart
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Post Post #2417 (ISO) » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:32 pm

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Hey Percy, I voted xvart at the bottom of my 2367.

Sorry if it got lost in the massive post. :igmeou:

Thanks, fixed ~Mod


Thanks for being awesome!
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Post Post #2418 (ISO) » Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:35 pm

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Andrius, please do two things
1) Agree or disagree witht he grave rob proposal
2) Vote for somebody who has a chance of being lynched today.
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Post Post #2419 (ISO) » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:31 pm

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I'm down with grave robbing. Sign me up, subscribe me to the newsletter, etc.

El G, Nico has lurked a shitton, but you don't get free townie brownies just for pointing it out and jumping up and down. If he continues to lurk, murdering would be better anyway - I'd prefer lynch wagons be on active players for more reasoning then "HE DIDN'T POST MUCH, DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE". I hate lurkers as much as you, but saying "lookit the lurker lookit the lurker lookit the lurker lookit lookit" is about as content-less as actually lurking.

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What do you have against lynching MoI?
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Post Post #2420 (ISO) » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:57 pm

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Seacore wrote:None of my other suspects have a chance at being lynched.

I'm joining this wagon

Unvote. Vote: BS
Chugga-chugga, choo-choo.
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Also, Triglav
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This is not actually for any good reason.
We just like to be different.
We won't be robbing any graves so you can feel safe from cross pollution into graverob plan.
Will actually note that as deadline approaches we might just want to plug in actual names.
Otherwise tied wagons for 2nd and 3rd equate to lollercoaster.
We are an amalgamation of Adel, Albert B. Rampage, Zorblag, and Ythan (twice).
We are, in absolute honesty, a conglomeration of gandalf, drmyshottyizsik, and MichaelSableheart.
We are currently operating as an omniscient culmination of Fate, Glork and ZazieR.
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Post Post #2421 (ISO) » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:22 pm

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Iecerint replaces manho. Thanks!


Flavour for this and for the start of today is coming tomorrow, I promise!

Fate
, who was
Soulless
, has been
Dispatched
. His Insanity Count was
1
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Post Post #2422 (ISO) » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:49 pm

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<333 Iecerint!
About time we get to play together again!
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Post Post #2423 (ISO) » Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:40 pm

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hi iecerint.
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Post Post #2424 (ISO) » Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:41 pm

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also, sorry. it's hard to trust a non-aligned neighborize imo
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