The Return to Liten (Game Over)

[Furry]

@Furry - To be slightly rude, the HH/Thor thing seems anally extracted. What's the logic there and how does NC being town equate to one of us being more likely scum?

Because both of you are slightly scummy but are no way scum in NC is scum...

For you, there was early quote

I actually agree with you [UT] on some of the energy from Square, but I'm debating as to which of you is the actual scum in the equation and I don't see a compelling argument to swing me away from you

Agreement with a case on SO (scum) but remaining on UT (town).

SO's answer to my question is terrible and helps my read of him not at all. That said; I'm actually nervous about how there's been no real movement off his wagon even though I've been campaigning around offering a viable counterwagon for some time now. I'm pretty sure we're lynching town and would much rather lynch Tripod.

Another acceptabce of known scum case but staying on UT

@Spy - Feysal is clearly sandbagging to some degree, but I'll admit I've sorta forgotten the flow of the game, was that vote for any particular case? I don't recall you pushing on Feysal prior to thins. Has your opinion of Nero Cain shifted?

Early push for NC over Feysal (given as Spy had been on NC the previous day)

Jesus he [NC] might be town.

That's what I've believed since yesterday - and even I can't be wrong all the time Even if scum only had night talk you don't think they would have been all over him for his play yesterday? And yet it remains identical and with the same reads.

Bull. You had been voting NC on and off for most of late D1, and the comment before seemed to be a passive attack at NC.

Still we need to lynch CES, AGM apparently sees it now.

For HH... it comes later.

[LimMePls]

Unvote
Vote: Twomz

I think I like this vote better.

[Thor665]

Bull. You had been voting NC on and off for most of late D1

This is bull.

From my iso 23, 46, and 55 seem to support what I said - what's your counter?

Also I only voted him once and it's actually pretty clear why I did so.

Still don't understand the HH/Thor business.

[Furry]

Im totally willing to throw down a Twomz vote, but given past experiences, the formation and comments on the two wagons suggests that the right lynch here is CES. You can look at how many times he tries to give SO a chance to redeme himself in such quotes as

Square, my use of role in the preceding post was meant in the sense of power. So a vig and an SK would be the same role with different alignment.

or

I demand flavour.

or even

P.S. Anyone else notice Squara Obscura hasn't posted BP flavour yet despite Wraith posting elsewhere?

after that he gave up on him and jumped on the wagon.

Will completely be willing to lynch Twomz though, I just think CES needs more close looking at soon.

@Thor - You vote NC from your iso 42 to 46, after bulidup stemming as early from your iso 23 where it appears that you have NC as a scummy read given how you are starting to push on him a little bit at that point. You also have to be kidding me if you say that at your iso 51 you are not reading NC as scum. While you do not VOTE him most of the game, I would be floored that if you are town you really had anything worse than a null read on him starting around your iso 20 continuing until present day. Your posts directed him say that. Your questions to others suggest it. You other reads suggest it.

Again, I am not calling you and HH buddies. I am saying neither of you can be scum with NC, and you both read slight scum. Very much worth mentioning.

[Thor665]

I would be floored that if you are town you really had anything worse than a null read on him starting around your iso 20 continuing until present day. Your posts directed him say that. Your questions to others suggest it. You other reads suggest it.

Yet you're ignoring that by 55 onward I have consistently called him town and ceased my scumhunting and any pressure of him.

The Thor/HH slot in your scumreads is honestly making me leery of your entire breakdown since either your memory or your research is a little dicey at best. I'm liking ApCUP still, as I don't think his post is as clearing of him as you think, I could actually go for CES, I don't see the Twomz case much at all (which, the way this game is going for me, suggests he's the only definite scum on the list )

[Furry]

I would be floored that if you are town you really had anything worse than a null read on him starting around your iso 20 continuing until present day. Your posts directed him say that. Your questions to others suggest it. You other reads suggest it.

Yet you're ignoring that by 55 onward I have consistently called him town and ceased my scumhunting and any pressure of him.

How did a scum claim from Feysal change this though? As early as your iso 50 you still seem to suggest him as being scum.

[apathyplusCUPCAKES]

twomz is a fine wagon. There is most definately scum amongst twomz, thor and MOI. I need to re-read NC. Will look at this when I am not dead/tired.

As for thad stating somewhere that he ("the vig") can read, I have my doubts considering the town's opinion was for a NC/thor vig last night. If I am reading properly, a lot of players are saying that we should not direct because doc is dead? What? If scum doc is dead, we have even less to lose from directing? (Someone needs to explain the philosophy of not directing).

That said, willing to concede today, but we are DEFINATELY directing tomorrow if thad gives us another SK shot tonight.

[apathyplusCUPCAKES]

I'm also not getting this

"CES is scum"

thing.

[apathyplusCUPCAKES]

Actually, important point.

If my gut is not pulling any shenanigans, then I am sure that thor is 90% scum.

[Twomz]

Furry, what about CES's votes makes him scum to you?

Dammit Thor, you're giving me mixed gut reads.

Because I see no point in withholding... I'm a VT. ThAd should hit NC tonight, regardless. As in y'all should lynch him tomorrow if he doesn't. The next lynches/kills after that I'm not sure on, but keep an eye on Thor (damn you!) and imo tomorrow everyone should post who they think is scum and see if there's some kinda consensus. Killing scum this early is good and bad at the same time, we don't have as much content to sift through to find their buddies, but the town is ahead (hopefully).

[AlmasterGM]

@Almaster - so you think Twomz *was* being overdefensive towards MoI?

Yes.

Still we need to lynch CES, AGM apparently sees it now.

He'd also be a mighty fine target for a shootin. I think the other wagons are more interesting, atm.

I also like leaving him live because he's so obviously vigbait that if he or like one/two other people don't get shot, then TheAdmiral is absolutely positively SK.

[Furry]

So... we really should lynch CES over Twomz here. The way this wagon has occured, the claim, the lack of people trying to do anything else. He is scum. Compare the Feysal wagon to this, the only difference is that this one is much slower which is a tell of wagon on town. This whole thing, even the claim leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and its telling me that not only most scum are on this wagon, but its a wagon on town. Would bet bit that Twomz is going to flip town here, and that we need to move over to CES lynch.

Furry, what about CES's votes makes him scum to you?

Not much. What makes him scum is how he tries to delay jumping on the SO wagon multiple times while constantly saying that SO reads scum. You should vote CES with me, start a counter wagon. AGM is also welcome to join. NC should too, and Slaxx should join to redeem himself from my gut.

[Slaxx]

You're asking me to sheep a wagon...for town cred? Does not compute.

I agree with the Twomz town read though. The VT claim is probably legit. I really don't know about CES though, I have seen him play as town twice and I feel like his short fully dedicated-but-on-the-surface-half-dedicated playstyle is an easy one to attack. One of NC or Thor, and if one flips town, the other gets viggified.

[Furry]

You're asking me to sheep a wagon...for town cred? Does not compute.

Lynching scum is great towncred

[Slaxx]

That's odd, because I think I have been on both scum wagons so far and your gut is still a-ringin.

[Furry]

That's odd, because I think I have been on both scum wagons so far and your gut is still a-ringin.

Not ultra thrilled with either of your votes on them. Something just feels wrong with them. This one should remedy it.

[ThAdmiral]

That's odd, because I think I have been on both scum wagons so far and your gut is still a-ringin.

Not ultra thrilled with either of your votes on them. Something just feels wrong with them. This one should remedy it.

What was wrong with his votes?
Also I believe ces was on both scum wagons as well.

[AlmasterGM]

CES is posting on the site, but not here.

Unvote. Vote: CES

[LimMePls]

I'm down.

Unvote
Vote: CES

[AlmasterGM]

TWOMZ SHOULD STILL DIE THOU

[Nero Cain]

unvote; vote: CES

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

CES is posting on the site, but not here.

Yarr. I need to get back into this game. I have some time set aside for this in around 11 hours. And now I'm going to sleep.

[Furry]

This game never ceases to amaze me. Slaxx you missed the early bus again. Twomz needs to saddle up and mosey on over. Nice to see that NC is actually town. Armadillo, armadillo! The cheese from Zimbabwe has lugubriously flattened my popcorn!

[Nero Cain]

Don't get me wrong, I still suspect MOI and Thor but I was wrong about both Feysal and SO so...

[Slaxx]

I never miss a chance to bus partners.

If CES flips scum feel free to vig me >>. Just not sure about this wagon.