The Return to Liten (Game Over)

[AlmasterGM]

@CES - The first thing you should do is explain your coasting the

entire game.

@Slaxx - if neither Twomz nor CES is scum, who is?

[LimMePls]

These are both excellent questions. I'm waiting on baited breath.

[Thor665]

Unvote: apathyplusCUPCAKES
Vote: Cogito Ergo Sum

Mostly an apple polisher on this one.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Re-reading Day 3.

VC analysis is still elaborately making stupid arguments (the fact that I've yet to see it not point to me is just evidence of this).

Im totally willing to throw down a Twomz vote, but given past experiences, the formation and comments on the two wagons suggests that the right lynch here is CES. You can look at how many times he tries to give SO a chance to redeme himself in such quotes as

Square, my use of role in the preceding post was meant in the sense of power. So a vig and an SK would be the same role with different alignment.

¿¿¿ I had used ambiguous phrasing in my preceding post, he misunderstood, I explained to him what I meant. How the hell does that constitute giving him "a chance to redeme(sic) himself"?

or

I demand flavour.

or even

P.S. Anyone else notice Squara Obscura hasn't posted BP flavour yet despite Wraith posting elsewhere?

after that he gave up on him and jumped on the wagon.

You seemed to understand that I voted SO mostly over his flavour, so what is this nonsense? I pushed him to give his flavour, since the fact that he wasn't giving any flavour suggested strongly that he would have to make stuff up. The more pressure is on him to give his flavour, the less he can afford to stall. And I never gave up; I got exactly what I wanted out of him: a confession in the form of a bad flavourclaim and then I voted for him.

I don't like the Twomzwagon. He's made several posts that twinged my gut in a town sense now and a lot of the accusations against him seem unfounded if one considers his playstyle, which I'm somewhat familiar with if I'm not confusing him with Tamuz. LMP's push on him I've especially disliked.

@CES - The first thing you should do is explain your coasting the entire game.

I have not. 22 posts over 15 pages (I replaced in on page 10, Day 3 started on page 25) is perfectly normal activity.

I'm going to

vote: LynchMePls

. Reading his iso he seems much too dismissive of SO's claim, his anti-control the vig position is most definitely pro-scum and his push on Twomz reeked. I don't like Furry either though; I expect better from him.

[MagnaofIllusion]

VC analysis is still elaborately making stupid arguments (the fact that I've yet to see it not point to me is just evidence of this).

Yes, VC analysis has never caught scum before, it must be stupid

If you constantly are off scum wagons until it looks like obv-bussing and on Town wagons maybe the problem is not with VC analysis but with your play.

Despite AGM’s summary I’ll be looking at CES’s ISO later today or in the next day or so.

Furcolow will OMGUS players every time they so much as question him and he does this as town and scum. We don't lynch him for it right away because (unfortunately) it's part of his meta.
Same applies here - is Twomz always so defensive, or is this slightly out of the norm? If the former I would support a lynch far less then the latter.

Here’s the question to you Thor – are you actively looking into said meta when arguments like this arise or just using it as an excuse to avoid taking a stance on a wagon?

@ MoI: I've never actually been told before that I was playing too cautiously, I tend to just spew what I'm thinking and it usually just makes me look scummy (if anything, I look less scummy as scum cause I filter my posts more than I do as town).

Your approach so far has been very cautious and seeking of mass approval. Which is scummy.

You self-meta is noted and placed where I place other self-meta provided arguments – the garbage can. Self-meta argument are useless.

What you are saying here is that when you are Town you play in a scummy manner but play much more carefully as scum. If so you are doing a great disservice to every Town player in games where you are Town.

Because I see no point in withholding... I'm a VT.

Facepalm … just facepalm.

Why are you claiming when not at L-1 at this juncture?

His post fake hammer reaction. Instead of doing something that was non-commital, he laid down a small case. I dont see scum throwing something out there in twilight where they are possible vig bait instead of laying low.

Quite honestly I don’t think this makes much sense at all Furry.

1. APCakes was strong vig-bait coming into Day 2.
2. APCakes provides, once again, not content before your gambit. This is one of the reasons they were considered vig-bait in the first place

So you think his reaction (throwing down a quick ‘case’) was the reaction that only could come from Town? If so I disagree. I see it as the reaction of someone who knows they are in danger and does whatever they can to survive. Which is a Null-tell as either alignment has a reason to not want to be NKed.

Your insistence that Twomz must be Town despite his play is noted.

I never miss a chance to bus partners.

If CES flips scum feel free to vig me >>. Just not sure about this wagon.

Slaxx your potential inside knowledge is showing. I don’t see any reason to volunteer as a Vig target when you should have NO IDEA about CES’s alignment. Scumtastic.

That said, willing to concede today, but we are DEFINATELY directing tomorrow if thad gives us another SK shot tonight.

So if Admiral makes what you consider another faulty shot tonight your course of action is not to lynch someone who looks to be a SK but to direct them N4?

This makes no sense. With 2 Mafia already down Town has significant numerical advantage. Having two kills a Night only helps scum if Admiral continues to take shots that are generally considered sub-standard. If his shot tonight is bad lynching him, given your statements that you think he is a Serial Killer, is the correct course of action.

Either that your you should not be giving up on directing his shot for tonight.

That you are willing to continue to let him live if he ‘gives us another SK shot tonight’ is not a Town POV. If he acts like a SK you hang him and give Town extra lynches to accomplish what you are wanting to accomplish with the directed shots. Only scum would want a Suspected SK around while directing their shots.

If my gut is not pulling any shenanigans, then I am sure that thor is 90% scum.

Oh good, gut. Which head are you that didn’t flake again? Also if you are 90% sure he is scum why aren’t you voting for him?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Yes, VC analysis has never caught scum before, it must be stupid

Oh, I'm sure it's "caught" scum before. So does randomly picking people. It's stupid because it's an elaborate framework for making appeals to plausibility, mixing a priori and a posteriori reasoning and ignoring people's playstyles.

If you constantly are off scum wagons until it looks like obv-bussing and on Town wagons maybe the problem is not with VC analysis but with your play.

If that were my playstyle (I voted Feysal early and I'm not sure whether SO would've been lynched without that flavourclaim), then the problem would be with both. If VC analysis leads to nonsensical conclusions (ie. X is likely to be scum because X is doing what he normally does), there is clearly something wrong with it.

[Twomz]

which I'm somewhat familiar with if I'm not

confusing him with Tamuz.

On another note, after I claimed I was kinda expecting some flavor claim calls, like there were for SO. Are we thinking that withholding info about VTs will make it harder for scum to claim later or does no one care about it?

@ MoI: I think CES thinks I'm town BECAUSE of my play, not DESPITE my play.

[LimMePls]

I'm going to vote: LynchMePls. Reading his iso he seems much too dismissive of SO's claim, his anti-control the vig position is most definitely pro-scum and his push on Twomz reeked. I don't like Furry either though; I expect better from him.

1) His claim was illogical and nonsensical given his "Are you a strongman" question earlier in the thread. Of course I dismissed it, it was obviously fake.
2) Having the town vote on the vig kill is bad. Calling that anti-town is hilarious.
3) I was phoning it in, I have to admit. What about it "reeked" exactly?

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

1) His claim was illogical and nonsensical given his "Are you a strongman" question earlier in the thread. Of course I dismissed it, it was obviously fake.

No. Making the vig a strongman to weaken the bulletproof townie wouldn't be an unreasonable move by the mod. The strongman question makes less sense from a mafia doctor perspective since then the mafia doctor's existence is pointless. It wasn't "obviously fake" and I think you misjudged this because you knew SO was scum.

2) Having the town vote on the vig kill is bad. Calling that anti-town is hilarious.

I prefer a second lynch to letting an untrustworthy madman loose with a gun. ThAd does not inspire confidence.

3) I was phoning it in, I have to admit. What about it "reeked" exactly?

It's gut-based mostly, but the lateness of the vote definitely stood out.

[Thor665]

Here’s the question to you Thor – are you actively looking into said meta when arguments like this arise or just using it as an excuse to avoid taking a stance on a wagon?

I'm lazy, I was hoping someone else who had already played with Twomz would show up and chime in with it.
I've made a stance on the Twomz wagon subsequent to this comment.
Do you think Twomz was being over defensive?

[LimMePls]

1) His claim was illogical and nonsensical given his "Are you a strongman" question earlier in the thread. Of course I dismissed it, it was obviously fake.

No. Making the vig a strongman to weaken the bulletproof townie wouldn't be an unreasonable move by the mod. The strongman question makes less sense from a mafia doctor perspective since then the mafia doctor's existence is pointless. It wasn't "obviously fake" and I think you misjudged this because you knew SO was scum.

I already went round and round on this before, but let me try again. Suppose you are a bulletproof townie. You learn that a vig exists. Should you ask if the vig is a strongman? Since you are bulletproof, whether the vig is strongman or not is IRRELEVANT to you. If he is strongman, then he can shoot you and you die. If he isn't, then he can shoot you and you live. In neither case does your knowing which he is change the outcome. Thus asking for this information cannot help you. Thus all it does is help the scum (by giving them more information about the vig). Thus his question was anti-town.

What is hard to understand about this?

2) Having the town vote on the vig kill is bad. Calling that anti-town is hilarious.

I prefer a second lynch to letting an untrustworthy madman loose with a gun. ThAd does not inspire confidence.

Allowing the town to vote on the vig/SK kill gives the scum too much of an information advantage. As it stands now, they have to worry about where the kill is going. If they manipulate the kill by voting, then they could mess with it (via some form of scum PR) if its going to target scum, and leave the kill alone if it is targeted at town. Not to mention they are influencing where it goes in the first place. So it isn't a second lynch, it's a second lynch that is less likely to succeed if aimed at scum and more likely to succeed if aimed at town. IT IS BAD!

3) I was phoning it in, I have to admit. What about it "reeked" exactly?

It's gut-based mostly, but the lateness of the vote definitely stood out.

Gut is an easy position for scum to fall back to. It can't be disproved.

CES is still a good lynch folks.

[AlmasterGM]

It's stupid because it's an elaborate framework for making appeals to plausibility, mixing a priori and a posteriori reasoning and ignoring people's playstyles.

Wait...what?

1) Isn't all scumhunting an appeal to plausibility (e.g., scum are more or less likely to do this or that)?

2) How does it use a priori reasoning when all of the analysis involved is deduced from events that have occurred? Where does VC analysis claim anything to be objectively true independent of experiences?

3) Why does VC analysis intrinsically ignore playstyles? If somebody has a tendency to heavily bus/not bus as scum, then VC analysis could reveal that. Also, if scumhunting-by-playstyle is preferred, where are you doing any of that? Do you even know the playstyles of most of the people in this game? Show me the scum you have caught thus far in this game by doing meta analysis.

...I feel like you are just using big words that don't actually apply.

[AlmasterGM]

I have not. 22 posts over 15 pages (I replaced in on page 10, Day 3 started on page 25) is perfectly normal activity.

So we are going by number of posts and not content? That's convenient, seeing as most of your posts are one or two lines and don't even say anything.

[ThAdmiral]

Just out of interest who would have been good kills nights 1 and 2. I meant to ask this earlier.

[Twomz]

Personally I probably would have hit NC, then on Night 2 I would have random.orged it (list of all players I thought weren't town). Either that or lurkers /shrug.

[LimMePls]

random.org'ed it!? Are you trolling?

[SaintKerrigan]

Vote count incoming.

Liking the increased activity, btw. Keep it up!

Also, all of the to-be-added flavor has been added in for your consumption.

[Furry]

*twitch*

This game...

I wish I had a town read that wasnt sheeping me at this point. I need to do something to get a handle on it since I feel that im somehow stuck in a leading role when I dont have the normal strength of reads to back it up. Maybe just scrapping everything and doing a reread, I dunno.

@CES - So you thought that SO was scum due to the flavor part of his claim over the role part?

MoI raises a decent point on APCs late case possibly coming from scum, and with quite a few of his posts today im starting to second guess that read of him. Maybe im just applying my playstyle to others a little too haphazardly.

I need frickin something in this game to make some conclusive sense (and also town reads to stop getting killed by scum AND thad)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I already went round and round on this before, but let me try again. Suppose you are a bulletproof townie. You learn that a vig exists. Should you ask if the vig is a strongman? Since you are bulletproof, whether the vig is strongman or not is IRRELEVANT to you. If he is strongman, then he can shoot you and you die. If he isn't, then he can shoot you and you live. In neither case does your knowing which he is change the outcome. Thus asking for this information cannot help you. Thus all it does is help the scum (by giving them more information about the vig). Thus his question was anti-town.

What is hard to understand about this?

If he claims to be a strongman, then he's more likely to be town since a strongman makes sense in the presence of a town BP. It's still a weird question and arguably anti-town, but his claiming BP doesn't really tie into that (your argument just shows there wasn't any added benefit (apart from the thing I just said).

Allowing the town to vote on the vig/SK kill gives the scum too much of an information advantage. As it stands now, they have to worry about where the kill is going. If they manipulate the kill by voting, then they could mess with it (via some form of scum PR) if its going to target scum, and leave the kill alone if it is targeted at town. Not to mention they are influencing where it goes in the first place. So it isn't a second lynch, it's a second lynch that is less likely to succeed if aimed at scum and more likely to succeed if aimed at town. IT IS BAD!

We already lynched one doc. If a scum RB decides to RB, then we'll know it happened. I'd rather give the target a chance to claim and the investigative role an easier time selecting targets. You're just focusing on the negatives.

Gut is an easy position for scum to fall back to. It can't be disproved.

Gut is also awesome. I'd be more suspicious of myself if I weren't advocating stuff based on my gut.

1) Isn't all scumhunting an appeal to plausibility (e.g., scum are more or less likely to do this or that)?

When I say appeal to plausibility, I'm referring to the conjunction fallacy, mostly. A bunch of plausible statements are still quite unlikely taken together, but they appear quite plausible to humans.

2) How does it use a priori reasoning when all of the analysis involved is deduced from events that have occurred? Where does VC analysis claim anything to be objectively true independent of experiences?

You get your estimates of how many scum are on wagons from a priori reasoning, no?

3) Why does VC analysis intrinsically ignore playstyles? If somebody has a tendency to heavily bus/not bus as scum, then VC analysis could reveal that. Also, if scumhunting-by-playstyle is preferred, where are you doing any of that? Do you even know the playstyles of most of the people in this game? Show me the scum you have caught thus far in this game by doing meta analysis.

I'm sure VC analysis just happened to pick out a wagonhappy trio. Get real. As for me scumhunting by playstyle, my opinion of Twomz would be a definite example; I'm familiar with the playstyles of a good chunk of a game and when I don't, I try to discount my initial impressions somewhat to account for it. I can't show any scum I caught by in it in this game, since I had different reasons to suspect SO and Feysal, sorry; playstyle considerations tend to downgrade tells more often anyway.

So we are going by number of posts and not content? That's convenient, seeing as most of your posts are one or two lines and don't even say anything.

Conciseness is pro-town. I doubt I would've posted substantially more if this was my only game for example.

Just out of interest who would have been good kills nights 1 and 2. I meant to ask this earlier.

Feysal would've been a good kill Night 1 for one.

@CES - So you thought that SO was scum due to the flavor part of his claim over the role part?

Yarr.

[Twomz]

random.org'ed it!? Are you trolling?

No, and I can relate why to The Wheel of Time. Some people are Rand, they have strong gut reads and are 'Mary Sues' so things tend to go their way. Some people are Perrin, calm and calculating but can be easily angered, thinks things out, plans. Some people are Mat, they goof off and tend to go with the flow, but are extremely lucky.

I am a Mat. I hate being VT cause if I get a night action, usually I can do something with it. I hit scum as cop/vig, I nail the kill target with doc (this one is unverified because I always get lynched Day 1 as doc (the day after the doc dies if I'm a nurse)), don't ask me how I do it, a lot of the time I actually do random.org it. Works for me for whatever reason /shrug.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Hey Furry, you seemed to understand the motivations for my SOvotes earlier.

Jump on SO (also first mention) post BP-claim due to flavor.

Explain.

[LimMePls]

I already went round and round on this before, but let me try again. Suppose you are a bulletproof townie. You learn that a vig exists. Should you ask if the vig is a strongman? Since you are bulletproof, whether the vig is strongman or not is IRRELEVANT to you. If he is strongman, then he can shoot you and you die. If he isn't, then he can shoot you and you live. In neither case does your knowing which he is change the outcome. Thus asking for this information cannot help you. Thus all it does is help the scum (by giving them more information about the vig). Thus his question was anti-town.

What is hard to understand about this?

If he claims to be a strongman, then he's more likely to be town since a strongman makes sense in the presence of a town BP. It's still a weird question and arguably anti-town, but his claiming BP doesn't really tie into that (your argument just shows there wasn't any added benefit (apart from the thing I just said).

Why does a strongman vig make more sense when there is a town BP?

Allowing the town to vote on the vig/SK kill gives the scum too much of an information advantage. As it stands now, they have to worry about where the kill is going. If they manipulate the kill by voting, then they could mess with it (via some form of scum PR) if its going to target scum, and leave the kill alone if it is targeted at town. Not to mention they are influencing where it goes in the first place. So it isn't a second lynch, it's a second lynch that is less likely to succeed if aimed at scum and more likely to succeed if aimed at town. IT IS BAD!

We already lynched one doc. If a scum RB decides to RB, then we'll know it happened. I'd rather give the target a chance to claim and the investigative role an easier time selecting targets. You're just focusing on the negatives.

This is fine reasoning. I still don't think it's a good idea, but your position is the first logical one I've heard anyone give for why we should have the vig/SK claim his shots. I still don't know if I like the idea of voting on it. Why couldn't we gain this same benefit by Thad claiming his shot before we finish the lynch? That way the scum don't get to influence where his shot is going?

Gut is an easy position for scum to fall back to. It can't be disproved.

Gut is also awesome. I'd be more suspicious of myself if I weren't advocating stuff based on my gut.

Just out of interest who would have been good kills nights 1 and 2. I meant to ask this earlier.

Feysal would've been a good kill Night 1 for one.

QFT.

After this exchange with CES, and with Twomz's "I'd use random.org for the NK" statement, I decided to put together a full case on Twomz.

I think there are a number of things in his ISO that are scummy. They are:

ISO 3: The vote on Feysal didn't make much sense. Also the cutsie "Welcome to Mafiascum " strikes me as possible scum/scum interaction.

ISO 11: Wishy-washy statement to set up the bus or to stay off it, whichever way the wind blew.

*Narrows eyes*

I'm actually thinking BP GF or a RBer who plans on targeting ThAd tonight.

Anyone else agree with me? I don't want to put him at L-1 if I'm the only one who doubts the claim.

This post is from scum.

ISO 16: L-1 vote on SO. Prime bussing opportunity.

ISO 18: "And bah, two medics?" LOL.

ISO 19: "So the case against Feysal is pretty much that he fencesat all day 1, commented that Bowser was 'odder' than SO but neither was scummy (ISO 7) and never laid down a vote on anyone?" This question seems designed to be a weak defense of Feysal. As in: "That's all the case is?"

ISO 23: Only votes Feysal once he claimed scum.

ISO 26: "the scummier I am, the more likely I am to be town". Wow. That is some awesome self-meta wifom there.

ISO 30: Previously mentioned overdefesniveness.

ISO 31: Admits that he needs to pick up scum hunting, thought he'd get more from the VC. Earlier in the thread, said that he was good at scumhunting with VC's/Night actions. So basically he tries to disown his own scum hunting ability except with VCs, and now he is disowning his scum hunting with VCs.

ISO 33: Doesn't provide flavor with his VT claim, and KNOWS that he didn't, but still doesn't provide it. "Iwas kinda expecting some flavor claim calls" seems scummy to me. If you were expecting them, then why not provide the flavor with the claim?

I am a Mat. I hate being VT cause if I get a night action, usually I can do something with it. I hit scum as cop/vig, I nail the kill target with doc (this one is unverified because I always get lynched Day 1 as doc (the day after the doc dies if I'm a nurse)), don't ask me how I do it, a lot of the time I actually do random.org it. Works for me for whatever reason /shrug.

This is just absurd.

Unvote
Vote: Twomz

Twomz lynch is made of win.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Why does a strongman vig make more sense when there is a town BP?

For a strongman vigilante to make sense, there needs to be protection for him to bypass (docs don't count since something's going wrong if the doc and vig are targetting the same player) AND the protection has to be meaningful (since otherwise the mod can just remove the protection and the strongman). The existence of a BP townie works for both.

This is fine reasoning. I still don't think it's a good idea, but your position is the first logical one I've heard anyone give for why we should have the vig/SK claim his shots. I still don't know if I like the idea of voting on it. Why couldn't we gain this same benefit by Thad claiming his shot before we finish the lynch? That way the scum don't get to influence where his shot is going?

We could, but I, for one, don't trust him.

ISO 19: "So the case against Feysal is pretty much that he fencesat all day 1, commented that Bowser was 'odder' than SO but neither was scummy (ISO 7) and never laid down a vote on anyone?" This question seems designed to be a weak defense of Feysal. As in: "That's all the case is?"

I agree with you here. Had this written down somewhere myself.

Unvote, vote: Furry

[SaintKerrigan]

Wreckage of Dropship

Apollyon

Colonized Sector 2, UTP Planet Liten, Tynnfred System
December 4th, 2486 SC (Day 4, Month 15 LC)
1831 hours SST (0834 hours LLT2)

Furry and Chuck ambled slowly, glancing cautiously in every direction. So far, no Arkons had been spotted.

"How are you holding up?" Chuck inquired.

"Well enough, all things considered," Furry replied. "I'm not going to have another mental breakdown, if that's what you're worried about."

"Just making sure. It's going to take every iota of effort and strength we've got to get out of this mess alive."

"I know."

For a few moments they simply strode in silence; then Chuck said, "All right, I have to ask: what's with the nickname?"

"Why don't you take a guess?"

"Your sexual tastes?"

Furry roared with laughter. "A bit forward, are we?"

"You asked for it," Chuck replied with a shrug.

"Yeah, although actually that's a part of the truth."

Chuck arched an eyebrow. "Oh?"

"You see, I very much enjoy the texture and appearance of fur, be it real or faux. I would always be wearing a fur coat, even in the heat of summer. And let me tell you, the touch of soft fur on naked skin is a great way to get you in the...mood..." Furry's cheeks turned a lovely shade of crimson. "Anyway, with my obsession over fur, it wasn't long before my nickname became 'Furry'." She sighed. "I really wish I could've saved at least some of my fur coats. I don't think I've gone this long without the touch of fur in a very long time."

"Well, I'm sure there's some faux somewhere on the

Deborah

. There's definitely faux on the SS

Davy Maybourne

."

Furry smirked. "You're sweet."

Chuck gasped. "Who, me? A lean, mean, killing machine who eats roasted Arkons for breakfast?"

"It's not impossible for tough guys to have a soft spot."

They stared at each other awkwardly.

"Perhaps we should change the subject?" Chuck suggested.

"Yeah, good idea. So...how'd you get

your

nickname?"

"My...nickname?"

"Chuck Norris. You must've busted some ass back in training camp or wherever--"

"Ah, actually, that's my real name."

Furry stared. "C'mon, you're shitting me."

"God's honest truth."

"Well, I'll be...why'd your parents name you that?"

Chuck sighed. "My parents were a bit...obsessive over twentieth-century action flicks. Thought they were the shit of the 1900s and all that. They even went so far as to legally change my last name to Norris and then acquire guardianship over me."

"That's insane. So, do you like the name?"

"I've gotten used to it. The good and bad part of the name is the jokes that come with it. Including the ones from the twentieth-century area."

"Those are still around?"

"Oh, yeah. Actually..." Chuck stopped for a moment, and Furry quickly followed. "It's time for a check-in," he announced. "You wanna run in to Sara or shall I?"

"Well...I'll do it, but how exactly do you know the time when our wristcoms are powered down?"

Chuck smiled. "I keep perfect time on seventeen different planets. Liten is the seventeenth."

Furry shook her head and laughed. "God damn, man. You sure your name isn't rubbing off on you?"

"I wouldn't exactly mind if that were so. Who doesn't want to be Chuck Norris?"

"Good point. All right, I'll head off, now. See you in a few."

Vote Count 3.2

(4) Cogito Ergo Sum: Furry, Almaster GM, Nero Cain, Thor665
(2) Nero Cain: apathyplusCUPCAKES, HackerHuck
(1) apathyplusCUPCAKES: ThAdmiral
(1) Thor665: Twomz
(1) Twomz: MagnaofIllusion, LynchMePls
(1) Furry: Cogito Ergo Sum

Not Voting: Slaxx

With twelve people alive, it takes seven votes to lynch.
The deadline is Sunday, November 28th, 2010 at 11:00 a.m. CST.

(And yeah, I got interrupted in the middle of making the vote count. )

[LimMePls]

**Looks at giant wall o text made 24 hours ago**

**Looks at only 1 post since**

**crickets chirping**

**Sigh**