Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[VasudeVa]

I agree with Furpants. False advertisment right there.

[Seacore]

How is it, look at my quote!

[Furpants_Tom]

Hell no I won't. This is dodgy as hell.

[Seacore]

No it's not. You voted Vote A! You agreed to El G and Kunk!

[Andrius]

Do we still have to vote, or..?

[VasudeVa]

No Seacore. When you were formulating the plan you specifically stated '2nd wagonee 3rd wagonee'. You recently just so changed this before people even noticed.

This is sketchy as hell.

[Furpants_Tom]

I agreed to Wagonee #2 and #3, because that's what was discussed. I assumed they were in your Plan A post as placeholders, because we had already decided on the #2/#3 aspect of the plan. I don't think I'm alone in having reached that conclusion; and I think you're well aware that was the deal as perceived by many.

[Seacore]

I changed it before people noticed? How, when I specifically stated it and got people to vote and I last minute changing it?

Somebody said, that as we approached deadline we should substitute names in. As soon as it became clear it was MoI for the lynch, I added in who was 2nd and 3rd wagon.
El G only stopped being 3rd wagon because people jumped off to get MoI because of the deadline anyway.

[Seacore]

I really don't care who does it between El G and Baby Spice, I'm just worried that we've now got two grave rob plans. The final vote between wicked's and my plans had names, I don't see what's wrong with following that.

[Furpants_Tom]

I would be happy with either, I am very unhappy with you and/or hito picking one without the town's input.

[VasudeVa]

I thought the plan was whoever was on the final vote count?

*crosschecks*

[Seacore]

We did not, the final vote was specifically listed. No deception!

[Andrius]

The main symptom of being a VI seems to be what I will call the Twitter Effect. VIs will just post without having ever thought. Then when people say that they haven't thought, the VI gets defensive, rather than admitting their mistake. Agreeing with another player is fine, even good, but VIs tend to just retweet and not add anything or even think about why they agree or else they never agree with anyone. They also use far too many acronyms, too much jargon, and apply too many 'standard' concepts without thinking. Stop reading the wiki and try to understand the basic concepts of mafia. Try drafting your posts before posting them. Treat it like a paper if you have to. Revise. Be concise but explain your ideas. Don't use shortcuts that could cause confusion, but the same is true for metaphors and explanation. Concision is pro-town, don't spam. People will lynch you just to be rid of you.

Sound like anyone we know?
OH WAIT.

Spoiler:

[Furpants_Tom]

First off, I blame Furc for this debacle.

Secondly, the worst case scenario is that both El G and BabySpice attempt to rob.

Thirdly, I think this is pretty damn suspicious; but continuing to argue about it is more likely to do harm than good.

So I withdraw, please go along with Seacore/Hito's surprise town-plan Baby and El G.

[Seacore]

Actually, worst case scenario is that they both claim to follow the other and neither robs.

[Andrius]

First off, I blame Furc for this debacle.

QFT

[VasudeVa]

Bah, I'm trying to look for it, but I don't see anyone saying 'El G not Baby Spice', aside from Seacore.

Hito, why did you put El G instead of BS?

Although, Furpants is correct. We should go with the plan before anyone fudges up.

[Benmage]

I'd rather E L G grave rob.

[hitogoroshi]

I put in ElG for a few specific reasons. One of them is this:

I'd rather El Goosuki, that wagon only died because of the deadline, it was still a more significant wagon than Baby Spice.

More importantly, ElG is suspicious mostly for what they DIDN'T do. Players we're info light on are better ones to lock down. If you find someone is scummy for dropping scumtells, they may continue dropping scumtells. Players you suspect because they're not dropping info have a high chance of not dropping info. The later is more dangerous.

Thirdly - the town obviously has a desire to pressure both ElG and BS. Mechanisms can be gamed by scum. To townies, there's not a big difference between ElG robbing or BS, because they both got significant wagons. To cult - pow! Screwed up your wagon-gaming!

[hitogoroshi]

EBWOP: Also I copied the list directly from VP 2672, and to be honest I trust his judgment more than pretty much anyone else here.

[Baby Spice]

Hell, Furcolow had nothing to do with the grave rob plan and he still screwed with it.

[VasudeVa]

BS, confirm that you understood the plan and are

not

graverobbing tonight.

Hito's reasoning seems pretty sound.

[Baby Spice]

It's ok VV, I got that. Me no rob.

[Seacore]

While BS confirming is nice, I'd rather an El G confirmation.

[Baby Spice]

I would have voted B though

Any other comments I want to make on the subject can wait for D3 because we have too much potential for confusion already.