Zachtown in the mountains (Game over TOWN WINS!)

[Empking]

one liner =/= reasoning to post

One liners are best liners.

that reasoning was sheeping benmage and the post right in front of it that jason made
that post was sheeping jason

Why would I be sheeping Jason?

Also, AtE in your last post.

[Thor665]

thor, do you know of any games in which i won for the town in lylo?

None spring readily to mind, but I could believe it happened.

I am actually a good player if you get over the Smurf that I type.

Thor has my back

For the record furc, I do have your back because I believe your interplay with Dry-fit was pretty clearly not distancing/bussing. Please don't presume this as an endorsement of your playstyle - I do think you're better then many of the classic VIs and I'll also add I've seen a lot of improvement from you and I imagine that eventually you'll not be considered a VI player at all. (or, at least, maybe no more then I am ) However, your OMGUS rapid fire voting style is stupid hard to read and, I think, a detriment to town. Benmage isn't being scummy or stupid, he's just being...I dunno, narrow-minded? Too passionate? Something like that.

Why is this scummy? Why is the futile try for a Percy lynch scummy? You mention it being a "last minute" attempt; is this important to your argument? (If it isn't I won't waste your time grilling you over it.)

If the try for a Percy lynch was, in your own head, futile, why did you try it at all?
Frankly, I don't think it was that futile - both Benmage and IAI's votes for BS were pretty weak and it is not a leap at all to suggest that if they got some extra Percy support they would spring back.
I do think it's scummy to ask a question for no discernable reason - I would consider it white noise and attempting to look like you were considering the BS case without actually putting any effort into it.
Also, I basically have pointed out/asked you about this twice now and your reply is 'is it scummy I asked about it' without ever just explaining why you asked about it - what's up with that? (by the way, in addition to the actual question here this is indeed an invitation to explain why you asked about it)

[Empking]

Thor: I fail to see how it could be considered an attempt to look like I was considering the BS case when I hadn't even read the thread yet. I asked you about the BS case to get a better read on youself because I (correctly) guessed that my reading the thread wouldn't help (too much) in that respect. It gave you several pro-town points in my mind so I felt no need to bring it up again.

[Thor665]

So you hadn't read the thread yet but you pegged me as one of the top problem slots to get a read on? What made me and furc so well known for being difficult to read?

[Empking]

What made me and furc so well known for being difficult to read?

I think my reasons with furc is pretty obvious.

You were just a random pick out of the players that I haven't heard of you.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

No offense, but trainwreck Furc is probably town.

We need a Percylynch

[Benmage]

No offense, but trainwreck Furc is probably town.

We need a Percylynch

Empking is most likely our last scum. Everything his predecessors did add up to this conclusion. But sometimes even when everything is laid out like so, things don't work out.

I have no worries you'll be able to get a majority on Empking tomorrow.

Therefore Furc, who is the biggest town threat needs to die now.

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

Yeah, that makes no sense.

[Benmage]

Yeah, that makes no sense.

Where are you having difficulties following?

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

No offense, but trainwreck Furc is probably town.

We need a Percylynch

Empking is most likely our last scum.

Everything his predecessors did add up to this conclusion. But sometimes even when everything is laid out like so, things don't work out.

I have no worries you'll be able to get a majority on Empking tomorrow.

Therefore Furc, who is the biggest town threat needs to die now.

^^This^^

[jasonT1981]

wow... Ben explain ASAP

[Benmage]

No offense, but trainwreck Furc is probably town.

We need a Percylynch

Empking is most likely our last scum.

Everything his predecessors did add up to this conclusion.

But sometimes even when everything is laid out like so, things don't work out.

I have no worries you'll be able to get a majority on Empking tomorrow.

Therefore Furc, who is the biggest town threat needs to die now.

^^This^^

[jasonT1981]

but your still advocating a mislynch in your opinion over a scum lynch?

[KaleiÐoscøpe]

but your still advocating a mislynch in your opinion over a scum lynch?

Exactly my thought.

Yes, Furcolow is useless, but not worthy of lynching.

[Thor665]

I asked you about the BS case to get a better read on youself because I (correctly) guessed that my reading the thread wouldn't help (too much) in that respect.

You were just a random pick out of the players that I haven't heard of you.

Your first post asked furc and I specific questions.
Apparently I was "randomly" chosen from all of the players you didn't know because you didn't think you'd be able to get a good read on me/them?
Your second post puts every player in a town to scum spectrum.
What happened to all of the other players that I was randomly chosen from among that you would have a hard time reading?

[jasonT1981]

[quote="Empking"
The Scum Side of Null:
JasonT1981[/quote]

this is interesting actually, two people have accused me of being scum... DF and Baby... both flip scum now Emp is picking up a scum vibe on me by looks of it......

Also, I had Ben as scum early in game but let that slide due to BS and DFs play being more apparent scum... I am starting to think Ben could be scum again with his latest plays.... I am going to go back and look over my day 1 points on Ben and see if I still think they hold much weight and could be expanded upon.

[jasonT1981]

The Scum Side of Null:
JasonT1981

was meant to be.. quote fail

[Zachrulez]

1st Vote count of Day 2 Phase 2:

Empking - 3 (Mina, Thor665, Furcolow)
Percy - 2 (KaleiÐoscøpe, JasonT1981)
Furcolow - 2 (Benmage, Empking)

Not Voting: (Sotty7, I Am Innocent, Percy, Locke Lamora, Elmo)

Deadline for Day 2 is Monday, December 6th at 8am CST

With 12 alive it's 7 to lynch

[Zachrulez]

Also, I received a complaint about personal attacks. Let's keep things civil guys.

[Thor665]

Note my case on BS - Ben was a chosen misrep lynch attempt by both Mongoose and BS. I guess it could have been a really sad attempt at bussing, but I doubt it. Plus, Benscum wouldn't have been sounding off loud and proud about his Percyscum thoughts (that would have made him *gasp* wrong!) and finally Benscum is going to bus BS by saying he thinks he's town and is trying to get a lynch on Percy because of it?

If Ben is scum then Ben is an idiot.
So are his buddies.
I have 95% evidence that suggest to me Ben is not an idiot.
Mostly it's because he has Shakespeare mentioned in his sig.

[Empking]

jason: I'm scum for finding you one of the six scummiest players. Really?

[Thor665]

@Emp - https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 5#p2643525

[Furcolow]

unvote

i'll give empking time to defend himself

[Furcolow]

I am going to re-read this entire game, and make a post

[Percy]

I think Sotty is prob town after the flip. Unless it gets to LyLo and things are very confusing, I won't be making my promised case against her.

Percy - The fact that he has yet to be lynched looks like he's being protected by scum. The players and ways he's been voting also don't look good.

*laughs* Is that right? So who is it that is doing the protection?
And that doesn't even make any sense, because if I was scum then I'd only have one buddy, so their ability to protect me from a lynch would be negligible.

Vote: Percy

OK Baby flips scum after attacking Sotty quite a bit, confirming my thoughts Sotty is town...now the super excellent town read she has on percy is very interesting

vote: Percy

*deep breaths*

zach wants me to be nice, zach wants me to be nice, zach wants me to be nice...

OK. So. Let me get this straight.
My attitude towards Dry-fit made it obvious to you people that I'm scum, since I apparently went out of my way to defend him.
Now, even though I was the one who started attacking Baby Spice before anyone else (with the exception of jason), and without me the lynch on Baby Spice would never have happened, and I had to fight Benmage all the way tooth and fucking nail, in amongst all the accusations that I was just making up a case on a VI to save my skin, you think I'm scum with

both

Dry-fit and Baby Spice?

I don't even have any words. I really had hoped when I saw the flip that this bullshit would be over, but apparently not. I'm going to have to keep ignoring everything you two say, which is unfortunate, because it was jason's catch of Baby's slip that started my case.

*sigh* This game.

vote Mina

never attacked dryfit or baby spice. Elmo case. Lrd case.

AtE to me to get off the Baby Spice wagon.

Hmm. This may be worth a look. I'll re-read Mina tomorrow.

Vote: Empking

Last minute Percy lynch and asking for a BS case without responding to it in any way looks like a good option to me.

Looks good to me too.

Vote: Empking

(Also Thor I had at least two people accuse me of buying time / generally being scum for not posting, so I thought the picture was warranted )