Reckamonic's Ocarina of Time Mafia..OVER! Was Hyrule saved?

[mothrax]

I understand completely, though I would like to think my play is slightly better than haylen. (at least when i can fully contribute.)

[Beefster]

@Beefster

Except we lynched the vig yesterday

. Um.... how does that work again? Also you think the other possible vig is scum (see Aikage).

What gives you the impression that he's a vig? He could just as easily be scum with a kill power.

BE's cukoo's explain both the attack on Cupcake and JmJ's death (read the flavour again) who was our day vig (since the cukoos attacked and resolved during the day). Aikage is the closest thing to our claimed night vig.

You missed my arguments on you in regards to what you stated about Gandalf. You just brushed it under the rug?

Did you or not think Gandalf was scummy?

. Calling it the only choice is bull shit if you were actually scum hunting. You fight tooth and nail for your scum reads, you state who you prefer over the leading wagon. Where did you do this again? Who were your preferred scum reads over Gandalf and why? Show me where you did this.

The shotty side looked scummy, as always. Since that was all I had really seen at the time, I thought GIS was scum. Once I saw more of the gandalf side, I realized OH CRAP. This guy's probably innocent. Too bad deadline is just 2 days away.

Also

defined to me what makes Aikage scummy?

Tell me why Aikage's refusal to full claim is scummy, since you called it scummy? There is no reason for Aikage to claim since he chose to claim his targets/results. He pre-emptively chose to do this, drawing in attention onto himself. Just like my point about Nameloc/Chrono, this has no scum motivation to put your neck out for something flimsy. Aikage was flying under the radar earlier, and was under no pressure to claim information.

Is that the main reason for your case?

Inconsistencies. Fluff. Lurking.

[AKnottedRope]

The shotty side looked scummy, as always. Since that was all I had really seen at the time, I thought GIS was scum. Once I saw more of the gandalf side, I realized OH CRAP. This guy's probably innocent. Too bad deadline is just 2 days away.

Were you afraid that you were going to be lynched for it?

[DTMaster]

@Beef
1.

Hoorah.

Now post a catchup post, and vote GIS.

Arigatou Gozaimasu. <3

I've already voted GIS and I've already made a case on him.
I am a little uneasy with my vote, as I feel like I'm only voting against the shotty head. From what I can tell, the gandalf head seems rational, and thus disappointed in the shotty head. It's too late to change... Unless most of you are willing to switch over to substrike.

Either way, it's better than no-lynch.

Um... this is consistent except the fact that you felt that the slot was still scummy. You made a case, you feel like Gandalf was the better of the two heads, but you agree with the wagon. I see it, except the "oh crap he's probably innocent part". I see conflicted read over the hydra, but not really an innocent call here. You didn't argue against the lynch in the "oh crap he's innocent manner" as you stated.

Then why did you call your scum-read lynch a policy lynch?

. I find that disturbing. You admitted that GIS was a scum read for you at the time, but you called this lynch a policy based on time. I find it hard to believe that as town you'd distance yourself over a misread so easily and misrepresent the circumstances of the wagon.

Since you admitted that it wasn't a policy wagon

why are you pushing this argument in order for Aikage to claim when it's clearly false?

. The use of your original stance of the GIS wagon and stating an incorrect fact in a high replacement game is extremely troubling to me.

2. I explained why I thought Aikage is a good person to be a vig based on how he claimed (however this isn't true since he claimed a target that didn't die and claimed non vig). If you consider his actions, it makes no sense as scum to do that. It does make sense as confused town to claim actions or someone who wants to correct the information.

BE flipped vig, I'm going to assume the worst case scenerio and that there isn't a vig left.

3. The inconsistency in the manner of how he claimed? He's been consistent on who he think is scum. Did you actually read his fluff? the only argument that applies is lurking. Look when I iso read the man here's what happened in this so called "fluff":

A summary read of Aikage reveals:
a. He was voteless. This was proven in the vote count earlier. Now Aikage claimed he gained his vote.
b. He claims that he targeted Fate N1 and most likely responsible for his death, and a target on Ythan N2 but explained that he couldn't kill bad people. The fact that

Aikage is speculating on what his role does should be a signal for you to what Aikage is soft claiming here. It's simple. Ask yourself: Why is the guy who's claiming night action speculating on his action does.

c. Aikage claimed Medigorin of the hero faction
d. His original scum list included Ythan and BE (since they were linked), but based on flip and role information he now suspects AKR and Moth. He thinks that Ythan's actions are only aggressive and anti-town, but Ythan is cleared based on his night action.

He feels that AKR is scum because of his opportunistic vote on him yesterday since AKR apparently didn't offer a clear transition from suspicion to vote on Aikage. (should check it out)

He agrees that DGB's VC analysis points to Moth and agrees on my attacks on Moth.

e. He doesn't think that you're scum for attacking him because you don't understand his role. He's not being defensive, and he's placing himself in your shoes in what he thinks you know of himself. This is a big thing motive wise.

So this "fluff" if you sit down and read it has a lot of information about Aikage. Did you read the man again?

[DTMaster]

Fluff =/= Person of suspect + reason man. Even if his reasons are getting refuted by the attackers.

[DTMaster]

@AKR
I'm rereading and there's only a few times you did refrence Beef as scummy. This supports your original counter argument except you didn't vote Beef.

(just a note, these posts are for my sanity)

I'm calling page 72 the game's turning point, ie when stuff goes from useless to usefull. It's the page where the nik/cupcake/LL (I think that's who it is...) mason claim happens.

Beefster's vote here is scummy as hell. How has no one picked up on his random hop onto the leading wagon? I'll be reading him in the context of scum from now on.

Then Nikanor mistyped and cleared him as mason when it wasn't true, therefore after Nikanor clarified this detail there should have been more agression on Beef. This is the only time you addressed Beefster, but there was no vote.

You moved onto Substrike then talked about the bosses mentioned by Ythan/etc/etc/etc. Then you question about Nik's involvement with Untrod's death. Then you vote Aikage because the shift (which was claimed at the time to be not-shifting at night, but that's what Nikanor claimed). Then you called bunny scum.

You do realize that Aikage's argument holds water and you don't seem to be sticking to your guns with your scum reads? Where's the Bunny attacks? Why did you drop your Beefster attacks? You really only mentioned him once, even if you did call him scum. You showed suspicion only once.

Aikage has the upper hand in the court man.

[DTMaster]

EBWOP: Twice with the recent question. But at the time when you responded to Aikage's attack it was once.

[Albert B. Rampage]

They are lovers. And they don't make sense as boss scum. Twinrova is boss scum.

Why do they "not make sense"?

3 members of the Boss scum would be members of the spirit temple in that scenario. There's 4 other temples.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You guys are arguing the same point. (I think)

Albert, are you saying that it is unlikely that there is a third scum called "Twinrova"?

If so, I agree.

[AKnottedRope]

DTM: You're assuming that me not voting beef means me not suspecting beef, which isn't true.

[mothrax]

Since apparently it has become an issue, I would like to publically apologize to Haylen. My comment was not intended to disrespect her in anyway. It was not discounting her play, merely saying that I think mine is better.

Expect real post later.

[/drama]

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Haylen?

[mothrax]

Yes haylen. She took offense to my earlier post, which was not it's intent. I felt a public apology to the crowd was necessary and now I am done cluttering the thread about it. Any other issues are free to be pmd.

[Kdub]

Was away the past couple days, but I'll try to address various points:

DTM's case on Beefster seems reasonable, and I did note that Beefster was one of the players primarily responsible for pushing the BE lynch over Substrike yesterday. I'd be receptive to a Beefster lynch today in addition to bunny/Chrono, who are my other two suspects. The points in his favor are that his ability is proven, it fits his claimed flavor, and zwet has independently claimed miller-flavor that backs up his claim. If he is scum, he must have been specifically given the miller role as a safeclaim.

General question regarding the neighborhood: What do people think about having Chrono share with everybody the list of scum characters that need to die for various powers to be unsealed? Since the neighbors have already shared this information among themselves, then the poe scum already know this info because of Substrike, and if there is a boss scum in the neighborhood, they all know it as well. Having the rest of the town know which scum characters are in the game could provide information as to the structure of the scum team(s) and maybe shed light on the Twinrova thing.

Regarding nameloc, I don't think there is any danger right now of scum quickhammering, because they still need to eliminate each other and they would be outing themselves to the other team if they did so. We could direct zwet to target him tonight to get rid of him, which would also prove zwet's ability.

[Chronopie]

Chronopie - Nabooru

, Spirit Sage - Twinrova

"Saria"

Forest Sage - Gohma*

"Impa"

Shadow sage - Bongo Bongo

"Darunia"

Fire Sage - Volvagia

*That "Saria" needs to have Gohma dead, is the reason that I suspected "her". as it doesn't fit with the other sage's targets.

and I agree that, seeing as we def. had scum in the 'hood, they'll know it already.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That Gohma claim is weird... but Reck would provide a fakeclaim, you would think?

The Forest Temple Boss is Phantom Ganon...

[Kdub]

Also, Gohma would fit in with the miller claims we've had so far as opposed to actual scum. If somebody out there is Gohma as a miller, I think they should come out and we will pretty much have one confirmed scum between them and Saria.

What about Ray? Morpha, I assume?

[DTMaster]

Just posting to say I won't be able to do more analysis till Tuesday. Busy schedule etc etc. Stay tuned to DTManalysis then.

[Kdub]

Actually I just reread zwet and his claimed ability is passive. Scratch what I said about him.

[Aikage]

wow life has been really crazy. im startin to like dtm more and more the more i read his posts! i understand his case on beefster completely since it involves me.

for those that dont get it dtm is sayin that beefster said that i should claim because if gandalf had claimed early (like beefster wants me t oclaim early) gandalf wouldnt have been lynched. but beefster said back on d1 that gandalfs claim was scummy!! this is a really bad contradiction and i don know why there arnt more otes on him.

unvote:
vote: beefster

i still think akr is scummy, but i am not active enough to make a really good case on him im afraid and i dont think many peopl ewill listen to me over dtms scum read, which is proabyly smart.

speakin of not bein active, mothrax is still very scummy. he keeps makin excuses and defenses all over people sayin he is lurkin!! i am inactive too and i have excuses oo, but i dont spend all my postin time complainin aout them or defending myself. mothrax has spent a lot of his last posts sayin he wasnt lurkin and shouldnt be seen as scummy fo lurkin and blah blah blah but he promised content and never delivered, which if he wasnt complainin aout people sayin hes lurkin he would deliver them!

[AKnottedRope]

Aikage, listen to me: Quote your role Pm. Please.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Aikage, listen to me: Quote your role Pm. Please.

This

[mothrax]

Aikage, listen to me: Quote your role Pm. Please.

This

^thirded.
You are claiming to have information that is beneficial to the town(the source of kills and the ability to clear ythan) yet you refuse to share it. Scummy.

unvote; vote Aikage

On top of that your posts are difficult to read.

[Beefster]

The shotty side looked scummy, as always. Since that was all I had really seen at the time, I thought GIS was scum. Once I saw more of the gandalf side, I realized OH CRAP. This guy's probably innocent. Too bad deadline is just 2 days away.

Were you afraid that you were going to be lynched for it?

No. Although I would have preferred to lynch scum.

[Beefster]

wow life has been really crazy. im startin to like dtm more and more the more i read his posts! i understand his case on beefster completely since it involves me.

for those that dont get it dtm is sayin that beefster said that i should claim because if gandalf had claimed early (like beefster wants me t oclaim early) gandalf wouldnt have been lynched. but beefster said back on d1 that gandalfs claim was scummy!! this is a really bad contradiction and i don know why there arnt more otes on him.

unvote:
vote: beefster

i still think akr is scummy, but i am not active enough to make a really good case on him im afraid and i dont think many peopl ewill listen to me over dtms scum read, which is proabyly smart.

speakin of not bein active, mothrax is still very scummy. he keeps makin excuses and defenses all over people sayin he is lurkin!! i am inactive too and i have excuses oo, but i dont spend all my postin time complainin aout them or defending myself. mothrax has spent a lot of his last posts sayin he wasnt lurkin and shouldnt be seen as scummy fo lurkin and blah blah blah but he promised content and never delivered, which if he wasnt complainin aout people sayin hes lurkin he would deliver them!

Nice OMGUS. What is your role?