Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[Baby Spice]

El G has to go one way or the other.

But I don't think we can take the risk of letting El G get away with not following the town plan.


Hate to say it but Ben, I hate meta cases like that. It's not like argueing about what constitutes a scum tell or if something is a scumtell or not, but somethng that seems personal to you. Which means it's a trust issue. After FateHate I can't do that.

NoPoint, if Feysal's comment is a scum slip, what does that make Wickedest? Town or scum?

[Furcolow]

scum buddy town, bs, so i would say it would be null in relation to wickedest. being a resuscitatee, he is likely town barring some crazy cult-gambit.

[hitogoroshi]

He'll probably flip Investigator and I'm guessing his insanity count is what he says it is.

oh okay, so the worst possible motivation

You don't even think he's going murderer? You seriously just wanted to kill him because he annoys you. I'm gonna have to echo VP (WHAT ELSE IS NEW) and say this seems like a deliberately bad reason to "stalk" and back off. At the same time I don't want you to TEST this stupid claim, because investigators killing investigators is silly. Let me mull on the right response to this.

In the meantime, we have all but one of the CD3's, so:

Vote: El Goosuki

We're waiting on Spyrex until tomorrow at least. His wagon smells so counter-wagon it hurts. Scum would have known Spy was stalked (every other noise is claimed in-thread or cult I believe) and ElG's 'cower' could have been a deliberate plan, which means scum would have anticipated needing a counter-wagon today. Now if ElG flips TOWN then full steam ahead on Spywagon2010 (unless Nico claims the rez obviously.)

[Baby Spice]

Actually, screw it.

If it was me robbing those graves, and it nearly was, and I ditched the job with some stupid excuse like forgot to submit an action, then people would be submitting their night actions by now not discussing things.

Vote El Goosuki

[Furcolow]

I don't believe xvart in the slightest
The more I think about it, the more I am believing this is a cute cult trick to get out of having performed a greater ritual
Xvart needs more votes.

[hitogoroshi]

The more I think about it, the more I am believing this is a cute cult trick to get out of having performed a greater ritual

If you think Xvart is cult and not murderer, we could have you bet your life on it. I'd rather avoid investigators murdering investigators, but if you honestly think he's cult we could do that.

[nopointinactingup]

NoPoint, if Feysal's comment is a scum slip, what does that make Wickedest? Town or scum?

What in the fucking world are you talking about? Wicked is confirmed town and Feysal is slipped scum. Have you been fucking reading or do scumbuddies don't bother to read before defending these days?

[Wickedestjr]

Nicodemus and AurorusVox still need to claim if they rezzed SpyreX. I like nopoint's point about Feysal and may move my vote there. Also, I don't want to lynch El Goosuki.

[Furcolow]

i don't really care if xvart murders me, better me than someone who is a great scumhunter

[VasudeVa]

His wagon smells so counter-wagon it hurts. Scum would have known Spy was stalked (every other noise is claimed in-thread or cult I believe) and ElG's 'cower' could have been a deliberate plan, which means scum would have anticipated needing a counter-wagon today. Now if ElG flips TOWN then full steam ahead on Spywagon2010 (unless Nico claims the rez obviously.)

I'm sorry, What?

How would Scum know Spy was stalked? There is still the factor of Stalks/Unsucessful rezzes etc.

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In the mean time, I'm happy with my Spy vote.

Spy has been soo useless in this game and that is simply not TownSpy nope! This is reminiscient of scumSpy from /invitational 11 where he tunneled on me for like 5 day phases or something. And his case is 'Oh, he's useless'. That sounds awfully familiar, no?

Spy has done like, 2 things in this game.
1. Tunnel El G
2. Distance with AV(which is looks so faked it hurts. Absolutely

nothing

useful came out from that argument. )

That's it. That's the sum total of Spy's contributions. And maybe AV scum too~

In the meantime ElG is too scummy for scum. I do not see scum playing that card for extra fetishes or whatever. El G is for stalking though. ElG actually smells like the counter-wagon. Not sure what you're sniffing hito but counterwagons happen on obvscum, not Spyscum.

[VasudeVa]

Nicodemus and AurorusVox still need to claim if they rezzed SpyreX. I like nopoint's point about Feysal and may move my vote there. Also, I don't want to lynch El Goosuki.

I'll be very surprised if AV claims a rezz of Spy. He and Spy argued too much for him to claim that, whatever their alignments are(tip: it's scum-scum). Nicodemus has ignored Spy for most of the game, so scratch him off too.

[Feysal]

However... there is the possibility that Wickedestjr was attacked by a murderer. The cult could have guessed this and deliberately not ritual anyone, making it appear Wickedestjr was the ritual target. If so, only the murderer would know. Maybe not very likely, but it does mean that Wickedestjr is not confirmed beyond all doubt.

How could you even think about speculating Wicked-scum if you were his rezzer?? Unless you did not really rez Wicked that night.

I will explain how. Pure speculation ahead.

Suppose that Wickedestjr is cult, and hears noise on the first night. After all wards have been claimed, he knows he must have been stalked, since no other action would explain the noise. The following night, the cult then decides not to ritual at all. Instead, they resuscitate Wickedestjr, and since there is no ritual kill, it appears that Wickedestjr was targeted by the cult and therefore cleared. Only the person who tried to murder Wickedestjr knows the truth, and the murderer obviously could not say anything, or risk being lynched for the attempted murder. In this scenario, both Wickedestjr and one player resuscitating him would be cult.

While this scenario is logically possible, I find it unlikely. Suppose that the murderer, after his murder failed, decides to try to redeem himself and confesses? The cult gambit would fail then and there. Besides, even though Wickedestjr has not been completely confirmed, all we have to do is wait. If he was targeted by murder instead of ritual, then there would have to be another murderer besides MoI, and that murderer should try to kill tomorrow night. If there is no murder attempt, it will further confirm that Wickedestjr was indeed targeted with ritual.

[Furcolow]

"too scummy for scum"
you've got to be kidding me
the only people that dismisses are people who mess up stalks like i did last game

[VasudeVa]

"too scummy for scum"
you've got to be kidding me
the only people that dismisses are people who mess up stalks like i did last game

Hey man, this tell works.

That's why you're semi-confirmed Town now and Town could have won if other people in SAII saw through that.

[Vi]

@ Vi/Percy, whoever wrote yesterday's lynch scene: Mad props for including LegoVas in the flavor. <3 Even if he didn't kill MoI

[VasudeVa]

@ Vi/Percy, whoever wrote yesterday's lynch scene: Mad props for including LegoVas in the flavor. <3 Even if he didn't kill MoI

I'm still in mourning.

RIP: Vas' hammer of MoI.
In Memory of what could have been.

[Wraith]

@NPAU: You're either overthinking it or deliberately attempting to turn us against wicked. Your theory is too WIFOM-y to be plausible, and too disadvantageous to be sensible.

[Benmage]

Noise check is correct.

N0-none
N1-yes (andrius ward)
N2-none

[Benmage]

OHH NO WIFOM SHUT UP.

Come to grips and get on ElG.

Spy, I love you buddy. You just got the wrong role PM this game.

But, the biggest one, the BIGGEST one is the fact you're rolling with I'm not town enough over 'I cowered'.

Absolutely. What cult comes out and says "I cowered"...Its a WIFOM sandwhich sure...but what is he aiming at a Day or 2 max to live by, whereas there really was no immediate threat on his life.

Nope.

This is the easy mislynch. This is the wagon protecting the scum buddy SpyreX.

Hate to say it but Ben, I hate meta cases like that. It's not like argueing about what constitutes a scum tell or if something is a scumtell or not, but somethng that seems personal to you. Which means it's a trust issue. After FateHate I can't do that.

^Cult buddy.

We're waiting on Spyrex until tomorrow at least. His wagon smells so counter-wagon it hurts. Scum would have known Spy was stalked (every other noise is claimed in-thread or cult I believe) and ElG's 'cower' could have been a deliberate plan, which means scum would have anticipated needing a counter-wagon today. Now if ElG flips TOWN then full steam ahead on Spywagon2010 (unless Nico claims the rez obviously.)

!!!!Omg simple answer = right. ELG is the counter wagon it hurts!

Why isn't Spy's rezzer comming forward? Why would Cult not let a kill go through on a Townie? Why would a cult ever claim "cower"....way easier to lie in any scenario.

ELG is the horrible potent counter wagon that is burning my nostrils.

[hitogoroshi]

We're not playing the "too scummy to be scum" game. No, no, no.

Here is how the game works. If we don't lynch ElG today, ElG's not getting lynched. That's just how it happens. There will always be new scumtells and new cases and ElG will just sit in the back continuing to do fuck all. That is the point of the WIFOM game, "surely cult wouldn't do something SO worthless?" - because some people buy in to it. If the gambit fails, scum only lose ElG which isn't exactly a terrible loss, but if they win, they WIN. I'm not playing. I don't leave WIFOM daggers pointed at my back.

Also, seriously:

El Goosuki accepts its own lynch like a man and is willing to help along. Our insanity being suicidal should help things along.

VOTE: El Goosuki

and just three posts later:

OK, so SpyreX is confirmed cult, and we're town but we deserve to die more.

Choices, choices.

-DGB

We are not letting

that

getting away unlynched.

I'm especially unhappy with multiple people calling Spy "confirmed cult" or the ilk before all the CD3's rolled in - strikes me as scum who were just

so eager

to put their plan into motion. Costs a rez kit, sure, but gets a townie lynched and gets ElG pusedoconfirmed on the big lie/sunk costs trick.

[El Goosuki]

Seriously, guys, I will not rely heads other than my own in the future. This may or may not be good news... but at least a night choice will be sent.

-DGB

[Iecerint]

If no one claims rez on SX, cult 100% rezzed SX. If cult rezzed SX, SX is 90% cult.

Waiting to see if any stragglers want to claim SXrez is the obvious move.

I share people's indignation at ElG's behavior. And xvart's.

[Iecerint]

NB: This exact same scenario came up in SA2 IIRC -- scumPlum rezzed someone who ended up being cult. This eventually got her, but it took awhile.

Surprised she hasn't brought this up re: SX's situation AFAICT.

[Iecerint]

Also -- I agree with VDV's meta on SX, provided that he has accurately characterized SX's play this game. I remember someone (tajo?) catching him on that metatell in EK's UPick.

[xvart]

That day had dragged on forever. I was mad they were leaving me out of the graverobbing plan.
I sent in a rez on plum, but I changed my mind because I am selfish. Where I heard noise, I wanted to be able to be rezzed by someone. You are actually preventing me from being able to feel safe in using a rez kit (on the off chance someone rezzes me), so I will ward Iecerint again.

So what part of DO NOT HAMMER did you not understand or didn't think applied to you? Can you take a reason why you were left out of the grave robbing plans?

Why did you rez Plum?

WTF PLUM I'm not questioning the validity of Feysal's analysis. FEYSAL's ANALYSIS WOULD BE FINE. IF HE DID NOT REZ WICKED. The fact that he Rez Wicked and still didn't consider Wicked to be confirmed town IS A SCUM SLIP. The fact that you are not getting this either imply that you are stubborn headedly trying to defend your scumbuddy Plum.

So did both you and Feysal claim to have rezzed Wicked, right? Did he claim it after you?

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Does anyone else get the feeling that El Goosuki and SpyreX are Cult busing Cult?

In the meantime ElG is too scummy for scum. I do not see scum playing that card for extra fetishes or whatever. El G is for stalking though. ElG actually smells like the counter-wagon. Not sure what you're sniffing hito but counterwagons happen on obvscum, not Spyscum.

Unless El Goosuki was setup as the fall person so Cult get get a super bus in since they have been operating on a short leash for a long time. It's more than likely only a matter of time before El Goosuki gets lynched and they could get a super bus in for super town credentials, plus get an insanity for greater ritual or whatever.

If no one claims rez on SX, cult 100% rezzed SX. If cult rezzed SX, SX is 90% cult.

Well this is basically what I was going to say after the claims that if no one claims SpyreX's rez then SpyreX is Cult. Cult wouldn't rez anyone that isn't Cult, so I don't agree with the 90% figure.

xvart.