Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[Furcolow]

lynching xvart is better than letting him kill me even if he is town is what i mean to say, because his night actions have been terrible

[Furcolow]

and ludicrous... ridiculous

[Furcolow]

his n1 and n2 actions are pure jokes

[Furcolow]

and ludicrous...

[Furcolow]

when he sent in a ward on drippereth to "mod confirm" me n1
then he "stalks" me ....... what if they're both cult?
they keep xvart alive and ritualize me, takes a mortician to find out hes cult and we lose a valid lynch

[Furcolow]

his stalk on me is dumb...
and ludicrous....

[Benmage]

I vote Let xvart go through with the kill.

[Furcolow]

too bad hes cult
and ludicrous

[Seacore]

Here's a quick table on all declared actions, I didn't realise how unknowns we had until I did this. Let me know if I've missed something. I've made some assumptions along the way.

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Player	Night 0	Night 1	Night 2
Andrius	Equipped Books	Warded Benmage	Communed Xvart
AurorusVox	Uknown	Unknown	Unknown
Baby Spice	Warded MagnaofIllusion	Unknown	Unknown
Benmage	Stalked Fate	Stalked Spyrex - Target claimed D3	Murdered Spyrex
Nicodemus/Bowser	Unknown	Unknown	Unknown
El Goosuki	Equipped Forensic Kit	Investigated xvart	Cowered
Fate	Equipped Occult Books	Dead	He Dead!
Feysal	Equipped Resuscitation Kit	Protected Wickedestjr	Unknown
Furcolow	Warded El Goosuki.	Searched for Rez Kit.	Warded Iec
Furpants_Tom	Unknown	Unknown	Dead, but maybe Rezzed someone (Spyrex?)
hitogoroshi	Equiped Forensics	Warded Trilobite	Investigate Nico and graverob x1
kunkstar7	Unknown	Unknown	Robbed Graves x2
Lost Butterfly	Unknown	Dead	Dead
MagnaofIllusion	Unknown (Seems he stalked LB)	Unknown (Seems he murdered LB)	Dead
Plum	Unknown	Unknown	Unknown
ReaperCharlie	Equipped Resuscitation Kit	Dead	Dead
Wraith/rewq455	Ward ReaperCharlie	Unknown	Unknown
Seacore	Equipped Forensics	Warded Triglav	Investigated ElGoo
SpyreX	Unknown	Unknown	Communed AV
Nopoint/SSBF	Equipped Resuscitation Kit	Protected Wickedestjr	Laundered
totallynotmafia	Unknown	Unknown	investigated xvart
Triglav	Unknown	Unknown	Commune Nopoint
Trilobite	Unknown	Unknown	Unknown
VasudeVa	Unknown	Unknown	Investigated Plum
VP Baltar	Unknown	Unknown	Commune Trilo and Grave rob x1
Wickedestjr	Unknown	Unknown	Investigated Andrius and Grave Rob x1
iec/manho/wingless	Unknown	Unknown	Resus Tom
xvart	Unknown	Unknown	stalked Furc

[Seacore]

Everybody:

El G is the lynch for today. I believe we have enough people willing at this point

We need to do 3 things before the lynch.
1) Clear up xvart's N3 action. Personally, I vote that if El G flips with excess insanities, he should go through with it.
2) Organise the grave rob
3) Post a Night action post for people to not ignore. Wicked, I'm looking in your direction.

xvart, in particular, I'd like you to post your N0 and N1 actions.

[Benmage]

If El G isn't bloody....then he didn't participate in the ritual, and this cower isnt a fakeclaim but this lynch is a huge policy lynch/mislynch.

[Benmage]

Did we want me to rob grave one of them? Or am I excused from tonight?

[hitogoroshi]

1) Clear up xvart's N3 action. Personally, I vote that if El G flips with excess insanities, he should go through with it.

No conditionals. For it to work Furc has to rez. So the ball is ultimately in his court. Furc, we're lynching ElG today. If you think xvart is cult, rez and call his bluff. I really think xvart is cult, so I really hope you do this >_<

2) Organise the grave rob

After mulling on it, I agree that none of our communers should be robbing graves. So VP shouldn't be doing it. I think spy should double up, and then trilobite/someone else for the other rob.

3) Post a Night action post for people to not ignore. Wicked, I'm looking in your direction.

Working on it right now.

If El G isn't bloody....then he didn't participate in the ritual, and this cower isnt a fakeclaim but this lynch is a huge policy lynch/mislynch.

What? Scum only need one person a day to do the ritual. Even a Greater Ritual doesn't take

everyone

.

[Benmage]

If El G isn't bloody....then he didn't participate in the ritual, and this cower isnt a fakeclaim but this lynch is a huge policy lynch/mislynch.

What? Scum only need one person a day to do the ritual. Even a Greater Ritual doesn't take

everyone

.

So what was the purpose of cult claiming they performed "cower" last night again?

[hitogoroshi]

So what was the purpose of cult claiming they performed "cower" last night again?

because

that's so stupid, no way cult would do that

. ElG could even triple-fetish to get the requisite insanities. And, as I've said before, if we didn't lynch ElG today ElG would be much harder if not impossible to lynch in the future due to various psychological hangups (overton window, sunk costs, big lie, etc.). It's a totally sensible gambit with your scummiest member to turn the scuminess up to absurd levels, since the worst that can happen is they get lynched (good chance of happening anyway) and the best that can happen is literally getting away with murder.

[xvart]

While the argument that I am a triple-VI and policy-lynch is compelling, there is actually very little to recommend me as cult or murderer.

That's because there is "actually very little" to recommend you as... anything.

that doesnt mean i know plum is pro-town this game, just that i enjoy it when she is

So you picked Plum because you like her when she is pro-town, but warded her despite not knowing she is pro-town over hito who you said was the most pro-town day one (despite him needing to review the mechanics or whatever day two).

hito

- The point is, at this juncture, you also don't want this thing to hang over the rest of the game as a smoke screen for the scum by continuously leaving this hanging over me if I do not kill. I offered a conditional way to go through with the kill, and if I am told do not kill then I don't want to deal with this the rest of the game. It may direct the rezzers, but I'm not convinced that some Investigator rezzers wouldn't have better targets to protect and wouldn't mind seeing a dead Furculow tomorrow. So leave it up to them.

Let me ask you this: if we had flipped one Cult already would you approve of killing him? Two? Never? You really want someone who early hammers when told not to and thinks short days are better in endgame?

lynching xvart is better than letting him kill me even if he is town is what i mean to say, because his night actions have been terrible

I really don't think you want to make the comparison between me and you and which is better to have as "confirmed."

If El G isn't bloody....then he didn't participate in the ritual, and this cower isnt a fakeclaim but this lynch is a huge policy lynch/mislynch.

This is a very valid point. What other insanity would they be covering up? Crafting three fetishes?

xvart.

[Seacore]

Actually, investigating resolves before the ritual.

Investigating only finds blood from the previous night's actions, and only on those who haven't laundered yet. So El G could have performed the ritual and I still wouldn't have found any blood, assuming they were clean the night before, or they laundered and ritualled, given that ritual is a free action.

[Benmage]

If El G isn't bloody....then he didn't participate in the ritual, and this cower isnt a fakeclaim but this lynch is a huge policy lynch/mislynch.

This is a very valid point. What other insanity would they be covering up? Crafting three fetishes?

xvart.

*headdesk**headdesk**headdesk**headdesk*

This is such a bad lynch. The way it was so easily strung up = obv mislynch

I can't wait till tomorrow with 7 dead investigators and 0 dead cult. (sarcasm)

You know who wished they went murder. Me.

This is so fucking dumb.

We're going with caskets of wine and tall tale to lynch El G....which magically was instantly accepted by many.

Over SpyreX obv cult....Oh wait, the dead guy must've saved him....omfg.

Whose willing to proxy their vote to me if El G flips investigator and SpyreX flips cult. Because I'll proxy my vote to anyone else if it flips the reverse.

[Benmage]

Actually, investigating resolves before the ritual.

Investigating only finds blood from the previous night's actions, and only on those who haven't laundered yet.

So El G could have performed the ritual and I still wouldn't have found any blood, assuming they were clean the night before, or they laundered and ritualled, given that ritual is a free action.

Wait...cult can ritual and launder every night and never be found bloody....

[Seacore]

@ Benmage, correct.

Which is why we need to hold people accountable when they do not follow grave rob plans. El G could have been bloody from actions on N1, if she had robbed both graves, should could not have laundered (or ritualled) and I could have caught her.
But she didn't graverob.
And claimed to have cowered. And you are presenting no accountability for this?
Graverob plans MUST be upheld at penalty of death, which is also why I don't want Furc involved in them, because I don't want to waste a lynch on him.

[hitogoroshi]

hito - The point is, at this juncture, you also don't want this thing to hang over the rest of the game as a smoke screen for the scum by continuously leaving this hanging over me if I do not kill. I offered a conditional way to go through with the kill, and if I am told do not kill then I don't want to deal with this the rest of the game. It may direct the rezzers, but I'm not convinced that some Investigator rezzers wouldn't have better targets to protect and wouldn't mind seeing a dead Furculow tomorrow. So leave it up to them.

Let me ask you this: if we had flipped one Cult already would you approve of killing him? Two? Never? You really want someone who early hammers when told not to and thinks short days are better in endgame?

Let me be crystal clear.

I do not believe it is a good idea to kill townies. He early hammers? Boo fuckin' hoo. The reason I want you to go through with the kill - the only reason - is because I am strongly convinced you are completely full of shit. You are delegating the responsibility to potential rezzers, which OH SO FORTUNATELY will explain tomorrow when you have another insanity and are bloody with a living Furcolow. Not only that, but your cultbuddies can wait and see if a townie rezzed Furc, and only have to claim a rez on him if no townies do. At this point, all I can do is hope with every fiber of my being that Furcolow agrees to rez tonight so we can have you "murder" and put the question to bed.

We're going with caskets of wine and tall tale to lynch El G....which magically was instantly accepted by many.

Over SpyreX obv cult....Oh wait, the dead guy must've saved him....omfg.

You want to talk about magic, how about ElG's (and anothers!) precognizance halfway through the CD3's that Spy would have no claimed rezzer and be "confirmed cult"?

And Seacore has it right, we absolutely need to hold night actions accountable.

[Seacore]

It is possible for Cultists, Murderers and Potential Murderers to never be found bloody.
For murderers and potential murderers, this really slows them down, because they must follow the pattern of Stalk - Murder - Launder - Stalk - Murder - Launder, etc
For Cultists, it's easier Craft a fuck load of fetishes - Ritual - Launder/Ritual - Launder/Ritual - Launder/Ritual.

Investigation NEVER clears somebody (except potentially in a double grave rob scenario), it just doesn't incriminate them. That's why these rules are so awesome, it's really hard to confirm somebody as TOWN, despite being able to confirm them as investigator and even then, barely.

[Benmage]

You want to talk about magic, how about ElG's (and anothers!) precognizance halfway through the CD3's that Spy would have no claimed rezzer and be "confirmed cult"?

And Seacore has it right, we absolutely need to hold night actions accountable.

Yeah I was one of them...Whatup, but fine. What Sea says is right about upholding the grave robbers.

I'll hammer when ready.

[Seacore]

El G claimed a Night 1 action that had only 1 possible result, a "not bloody". Therefore, she could claim the results without waiting to see how the chips fell. She did this after claiming to have read Hito's guide.
Therefore the night action was both inconsistent with previous statements and also completely unfalsifiable.

Night 2, after a whole Day2 of giving El G shit for picking a bad night action, she claims to have submitted no night action and therefore cowering. This claim is inconsistent with a statement she made during Day 2

El Goosuki agrees to the plan, if only to keep itself from doing stupid night actions.

-DGB

This claim also allows for an insanity point and has no accountability, due to it interacting with no other character.

And as Hito says, El Goosuki already has game-meta for being useless and scummy, so why not really go to town?

Now that we have Benmage willing to hammer, lets get on with the graverob plan.

[Seacore]

EBWOP: it's unclear, that EL G quote is in response to the plan for them to be a double graverobber