Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[Seacore]

Okay,

Grave Rob Plan, Night 3, Draft 1.1

El Goosuki - Trilo and Spyrex
Furpants Tom - Seacore and Spyrex

The reasons for this are as follows. Spyrex is considered scummy (although lets not forget Kunk and Baby Spice who were yesterday's other options) and therefore should have his entire night blocked of, in case he is indeed cultist. This will enable somebody to investigate him and find blood from previous nights, and also give him two insanity points, soaking up easy to hide/acceptable insanities and making it harder for him to hide more later on.
Seacore and Trilo have been chosen as two non-communers with low insanity, who have been considered fairly town. Previous "obv-town" players have been avoided so they don't get shit loads of insanitiy by end game.
I have chosen myself to rob Tom, because if he indeed had a rez kit, and still has it a) I'd like it and b) it would prove he did not rez spyrex (since it would have been used up). I'd only get the kit if spyrex doesn't follow the plan, so to clarify - Me getting a rez kit means spyrex didn't follow the plan and wasn't rezzed by tom, very damning. However not getting the rez kit means nothing.
Trilo gets to rob el goo, because I already have a forensic kit. Again, it shouldn't matter, because spyrex will follow the plan.

Thoughts, Comments?

[Benmage]

I like it. I'd rather not rob grave myself...excess insanities.

I like Seacore on Tom with SpyreX.

I am bloody. I am going to launder. It is pretty much accepted I killed/attempted a kill last night. An investigate on me would show I did launder tonight..... Murder WC requires 3 SUCCESSFUL kills...who still thinks I am going that path??

I am a good Wardee.

[xvart]

I was still processing. I looked at FurTom's iso and SpyreX's.

It appears as if Fur only asks Spy 1 question--what he thinks of xvart.

Spy never answers this, and barely contributes for the remainder or the day. Meanwhile Fur is very active for the remainder of the day.

This is compelling. Enough so that I believe that SpyreX's rezzer didn't claim, which means SpyreX is Cult and someone has a falsified insanity somewhere. I'm actually coming around to Benmage's logic here about lynching SpyreX over El Goosuki. When SpyreX flips Cult we'll know there is a falsified insanity elsewhere, and we can debate whether or not that is me or El Goosuki tomorrow if I don't kill Fucolow. I'm going to unvote while I mull this over.

UNVOTE:

*headdesk**headdesk**headdesk**headdesk*

My intention wasn't clear. I agreed with you and was asking what other insanity they would be covering up and finding crafting three fetishes an unlikely option.

He early hammers? Boo fuckin' hoo.

So you disagree that if he hadn't early hammered it is less likely we would be in this situation with El Goosuki right now? You know, as everyone was trying to confirm all the actions and make sure everyone understood the plan and he came in and hammered?

The reason I want you to go through with the kill - the only reason - is because I am strongly convinced you are completely full of shit. You are delegating the responsibility to potential rezzers, which OH SO FORTUNATELY will explain tomorrow when you have another insanity and are bloody with a living Furcolow

And Fucolow will be able to confirm being Murdered? How does that work?

Not only that, but your cultbuddies can wait and see if a townie rezzed Furc, and only have to claim a rez on him if no townies do.

If I am Cult, I can't Murder someone. If I can't Murder someone then he won't get a notification that he was saved from being Murdered when he wakes up in the morning. If he doesn't get that notification, how can my supposed Cult buddies claim a rez on him?

xvart.

[Seacore]

Xvart.

If you are cult, you can have the ritual hit Furc (we could be so lucky) and then have one of your cult buddies step in and say "I rezzed furc" so your murder is allegedly soaked but the cult gets him.

If you are town and decide to murder furc, cult could step in and simulatenously rez and ritual furc (we could be so lucky) and it would look exactly the same as above.

So actually, xvart going through with the murder does nothing....... except..... that Furc can decide to rez somebody thus eliminating all rez effects upon himself, so a murder would show up no matter what cult shenadigans came through.

However, this involves Furc agreeing and then sticking to the plan. So I say we abandon it. Xvart, I appreciate the sentiment, but don't follow through with the murder.


And xvart, as for El G, did you not read the post where I showed that 'cowering' is perfect cover for a launder/ritual? Especially since we've already proved that we don't have the balls to lynch somebody for not following instructions. So hey, lets keep that rule and have no accountability.

[xvart]

If the Cult wanted to do that then so be it. Seems like a waste of time and insanities to me, but isn't the flavor received different for Murder and Cult to the saved victim? I thought I remember that from somewhere. Checking Percy's ISO.

xvart.

[xvart]

Nevermind; I was wrong, so scratch that last post (before my last post).

xvart.

[Seacore]

My point, xvart, is that murdering him, particularly due to Furc's unreliability, doesn't confirm you, since there's too much that can go wrong. And at this point, we need all the town numbers we can get.

So I propose we deal with his quick hammering by treating hammer zones as L-2 if he's off the wagon, and L-1 if he's on the wagon.

[Feysal]

Minor post explosion... I had to keep rewriting this post as things kept happening.

Furcolow, it appears you still don't understand why you are not trusted to grave rob. I will try to explain, once, and leave it at that. You are confirmed, that is not the problem. It is not your actions either. The problem is that you are erratic. You change your mind at the drop of a hat. Even if you were assigned to grave rob, you could not be trusted not to suddenly have a change of heart and do something else.

You've given several examples of this behaviour during this game, too many to list all. You decide something, only to change your mind moments later. Your actions last night are a good example... you said you sent a resuscitation of Plum, but then changed your mind and warded Iecerint. Before the night, you last said you were going to stalk Andrius. What is required from a grave robber is the ability to commit to an action, which you apparently lack. You are too impulsive.

As for your understanding of the setup, to be blunt, you are kidding yourself.

You claim I do not know this setup, but my actions have been:
N0: Ward
N1: Search: Rez Kit
N2: Ward on someone who hasn't heard noise

I consider that very good knowledge of the setup.

N0: you failed to check your PM for available actions and warded someone who was not in the playerlist. N1: you searched for a res kit, apparently not realizing that you cannot be resuscitated if you use it. You very unwisely announced that you had a res kit, making yourself an easy target, and then became paranoid about being killed if you used it. If you're too afraid to use your res kit, then searching for it was a wasted action. N2: you warded someone who did not hear noise, but the list of potential targets you compiled was rich in errors.

In addition, you have made mistakes with the rules. So has nearly everyone else, but you've had rather more errors than most. You strike me as the type of player who would try to murder again if your first vig kill failed, not realizing that you would become a murderer that way. There is no way I would consider your knowledge of the setup good, based on what you've displayed of that knowledge.

I'm trying not to be rude about this, but I am saying it like it is. You are a wild card. You are unpredictable. And, therefore, you are unreliable.

If the town is going to vote on this, though, it will not be a simple yes/no.

Frankly, your attempt to dictate terms for how we should vote on your action is absurd. You know perfectly well that using the syntax you require would get confused with regular votes, so there is no way 75% of players are going to use it. This tells me you have no desire whatsoever to have your action voted upon, which is just as well, since the town cannot depend on you to do as requested either.

On to other matters...

I would've been fine with the first draft of the grave rob plan. VP Baltar has two insanities, and taking a third would make his Occult Books all but useless... but even as it is, it is unlikely there are any cultists with three insanities for him to detect. hitogoroshi has one insanity and Forensic Tools, so getting another insanity would do little harm.

I guess that Seacore is okay too, but not sure about Trilobite. Not an issue with trust - but he might have Occult Books, he just has not used them yet.

Regarding whether xvart should murder Furcolow, time to be realistic. Furcolow has confessed to being selfish, he will not resuscitate anyone at the expense of his own life. That opens up so many possibilities of WIFOM that the murder is simply not worth it, and xvart should drop the idea.

Besides, I don't think xvart is cult anyway. Remember that he and Baby Spice claimed to have warded MoI? We now know MoI was a wannabe murderer, so we can forget any ideas involving cult warding cult. I'm all but certain that at least one of Baby Spice and xvart actually warded MoI, and since cult would not do that, one of them is town. Even with the stalk, I believe it to be xvart.

[SpyreX]

I will rob both them thar graves sure.

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Do NOT go through with this kill.

Seriously why is this even being brought up. We're not at a point where kills can be for anything but real serious business. And there's no way there's real serious business on Furc (or Ben as much as I'd love it at this point).

Maybe I'm getting triple snuk'd and its cult claiming a stalk hoping they don't get called on it but runnin strong

I really doubt that is the case

.

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I KNOW I need to get away from this but I can't. I just can't:

xvart: scum right here. Why stalk 99.99% confirmed town? To mask other means of gaining insanities. If he felt this strongly, why not do it D1? <-- answer this please, xvart :\

El G: oh god, El G, what the hell? Willing to put L-1 vote down, wary that day hasn't lasted very long and we might have a rushed hammer before the night action chart is put into action.

Note, the xvart line can be changed from "why stalk 99.99% confirmed town" to "why cower" AND ITS THE SAME THING.

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You are forgetting the part where you could have told a Cult buddy to rez you and then decided not to have them claim when the heat came almost immediately after the stalk claim came forward.

Sure? But that would be just a different more retarded path towards #3 and if I'm gonna do that why the jesus would I fight it.

I considered it, but figured my course of action was better in the long run because it would alleviate my personal suspicions and I could just ignore him and his antics the rest of the game. However, his early hammer and grave rob planning shenanigans yesterday solidified it in my mind that he was a liability. Who knows, if he hadn't hammered early we might have got a check in post from the three stooges and they might have realized that night was about to come and we would be in a whole different boat today.

Here's a deal:
If El Goosuki flips some insanity count other than what they claim I'll go through with my kill.
If Furculow does not start behaving in a more town like manner I'll use my judgment and go through with the kill or not.

So, if someone out there with a rez kit wants to spare Furcolow then he/she might want to consider it, just in case.

xvart.

"He is a liability" IS NOT A REASON TO TAKE THIS SHOT JESUS H.

NOT NOW. MAYBE, MAYBE IF SOME CULT START JOINING THEIR DARK LORD BUT NOT NOW CHRIST.

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From the original post:“Effect: You protect your target against one of either Murder or The Ritual.”
Doesn’t say Greater Ritual. Therefore the only way for Iecerint to have received that message from the mod would be if Greater Ritual occurred.

Which itself doesn’t necessarily rule out Fur using the rez kit, but****** It certainly rules out the excuse that Fur used a rez kit and that’s why he died.

FFF If you hadn't TRIED TO KILL ME I'd be paranoid but instead I'll accept you're just being insane:

Ok, follow me here:

Vi posted a full list of possible perturbations you can expect from your Night Result PM here.

Specifically, you would receive either of the following message if you choose Resuscitate:

Resuscitate Success wrote:Your action: Resuscitate: Percy
Result: Success - You have saved Percy from death. As a side effect, you have become Bloody and thus lost your Resuscitation Kit.

Resuscitate wrote:Your action: Resuscitate: Percy
Result: Failure - You did not save Percy from death.

Side Effects: Your target hears Noise. Any Resuscitate action targeting you tonight will fail, and the player who targeted you will not be notified of the failure. If you successfully protect them, you become Bloody, and your target both becomes Bloody and gains an Insanity when the killing action (Murder or the Ritual) resolves.
Notes: If more killing actions target the player than there are players Resuscitating them, then the kill is not prevented, though you still become Bloody when the killing action resolves. If you save your target from death, they will be notified that they were saved, but not by whom.

Greater Ritual: If two thirds (rounding up) of the Cultists target the same player, the Ritual counts as an extra kill for the purpose of Resuscitate. If the Cultists use Corpse Dust, the Ritual counts as an extra kill for the purposes of Resuscitate, and the Corpse Dust is consumed. These two effects are cumulative.

Ice is not bloody.
The Greater Ritual is "multiple kills" in essence. (and not a different thing good lord).

Thus, the only way Ice could not be bloody AND have targeted FT AND FT could have died is if the Resuscitate action itself failed.

The only method in which it could have failed IS IF FT attempted to Rez someone else.

(If I'm missing a piece let me know)

If not, this means all you awesomes going "OHH MAYBE HE REZZED OR MAYBE HE DIDNT" better change your tune. Of course it'll be "WELL HE REZZED BUT MAYBE IT WASNT SPYREX" but at least its a new catchy beat.

This insanity continues:

I was still processing. I looked at FurTom's iso and SpyreX's.

It appears as if Fur only asks Spy 1 question--what he thinks of xvart.

Spy never answers this, and barely contributes for the remainder or the day. Meanwhile Fur is very active for the remainder of the day.

I find it incredibly unlikely that Tom rezzed SpyreX, and I repeat again I would much rather lynch him who is much more likely to flip cult.

Fur and I have had WAY more interaction than that. I'm a little surprised (but not a lot) that he rezzed me BUT jesus by looking at ISO did you mean a page of it?

(And no, I never answered it because it was answered in the before times and I got a little distracted by MoI)

If El G isn't bloody....then he didn't participate in the ritual, and this cower isnt a fakeclaim but this lynch is a huge policy lynch/mislynch.

This really does it.

Take a step back. Breathe.

Because you're forgetting how everything works in this AWESOME PURSUIT OF JUSTICE.

Its Fate 2.0 and its making me more than a little wroth.

[Trilobite]

Posting to say we're fine with grave robbing should we be asked too. I thought we claimed our night zero action already, but we picked up a rez kit for the record. We don't have Occult books, so there is no clash there.

~Sotty.

[SpyreX]

Is there a reason we're announcing our other actions?

I'm missing it fo sho.

[Seacore]

Okay, since we've settled it, xvart is not going to kill Furc under any circumstances, I'd really like you all to start focussing on the grave rob plan

Both Trilo and I are willing to do it and neither of us has plans to do immediate occulting. So... please all weigh in. Lets get this day over with!


Preview Edit: We don't have to Spyrex, I was just trying to collate it, because at the time I thought it would be more useful than it turned out to be. However, I think (but don't strongly believe) that there may be merit in getting highly suspected people to claim all their actions.

[SpyreX]

I've got no problems with it but I'm missing the point if its not a function of about to get lynched / the early day stuff.

I DO think we need to make sure we are keeping some people ready for knife time and occult time.

[hitogoroshi]

sadly I am ubertired so shiny new reference will have to wait until tomorrow

posting guide to town while tired = factual errors = bad news bears

[SpyreX]

Real quick because I NEED TO MAKE SURE I AM RIGHT:

My post above regarding rez. Correct yes/no?

[Seacore]

I'm not sure, Spyrex.

I think Tom's death, happening despite Iec's resus attempt, could have occured because
a) Someone tried to murder Tom, Iec stopped that, and the ritual got through
b) A greater ritual was performed, so Iec was insufficient to stop it
c) Tom resus'd someone (maybe you) and thus he was unable to be resus'd himself

I've yet to see evidence that all three are not possible. But I could be wrong.

[Andrius]

But now you can't ward me tonight! *sad panda*

You are going Murderer, so I can't protect you past like, D4. You do realize that, yes?

Oh right ...you shoulda got an invest kit...so when I launder tonight.....

I took Obsession last night, so I have to Commune again. And after that you're at risk for BEING a Murderer, so yeah. Can't help you out much longer buddy.

BenMage needs to be held in check since he is no longer "confirmed town"
We need to force him to rob two graves *AND ONLY HIM*

He is confirmed until D5. He couldn't have Murdered 2 people until N4, so. He is still confirmed town*.

tomorrow is our only chance to lynch the murderer who killed LB if they strike again, Andrius

*COUGH look who didn't read the MoI flip; who doesn't have a big enough brain to figure out how MoI got 2 insanities in 2 nights as town*

Andy, I'm pretty sure Commune is based on your insanity BEFORE the one that it gives you. So he'd have to have only 1 insanity. Correct me if I'm wrong.

*sigh* You're right.

How the frig is this possible if Fate had an insainity, clearly the only way he could have acquired an insanity N0 is if he stalked or cowered, thus he could not have possibly had occult books in his possession.

Vote: Benmage

Benmage is town*. Please stop your foolishness.

I love how page... something-or-other involves tnm and seacore ASKING people to volunteer to murder El G.

Probably too late to go Murderer now, Seacore.

I really hate this frankly. It's the perfect cult claim for gaining an insanity. "I stalked, but now I've come to my senses and won't be killing tonight. Sorry about the mess up guys." Perfect way to hide the ritual.

Except it doesn't hide blood. xvart needs another commune later down the line. Forensics tonight IMO.

Andrius isn't bloody.

Sorry to disappoint. /sarcasm

If I were in WJR's position, I would have gone Murderer by now. Or Furcolow. Seriously. Being Confirmed town is the best reason to go murderer. Not saying WJR is, just saying thats what I would have done...

i'm town going murderer, a moron, with 3 insanities... a stalk on someone... and my actions at night have all been self-serving

Fixed.

how am I hurting your chances to win?

You are in the game.
And alive.

I have been given the green light to murder Furculow tonight.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH

Whoa. Man, I'd be sooooo tempted to murder him. Not because he's town*, but because he's a fail-tastic player who ruined another game by his stupidity and he's being un-cooperative here while claiming to be the town god.
But I digress. He is town*.

*= for now... tomorrow he can be murderer.

And I already had a scummy vibe from xvart.

Welcome to the club.

You feel you are confirmed so it doesn't matter what kind of verbal diarrhea you spew in thread because we aren't going to lynch you. Or that because you're "confirmed" then anyone who disagrees with you must be scummy or out to get you.

QFT

OK, 2907 MAKES ME NEVER WANT TO PLAY WITH FURC AGAIN. SHIT. I AM TIRED OF HIS GODDAMN VI-DIARRHEA OVER HOW GREAT HE IS. SHIT.

1 Are you suggesting that you are that leader?
2 You mean like yesterday when you hammered after someone wrote in big bold letters DO NOT HAMMER while everyone was still coordinating and confirming town plans?

QFTQFTQFTQFTQFT

@xvart - no stalk of Baby Spice?
What happened to top suspect?
Defeated by anti-town confirmed town player?

Really?

QFT This was perfect. xvart's to oscummy to win as murderer now; might as well kill everyone he can before we feed him some rope.

Speaking of Wraith, where is he?

@ Vi/Percy, whoever wrote yesterday's lynch scene: Mad props for including LegoVas in the flavor. <3 Even if he didn't kill MoI

I'm still in mourning.

RIP: Vas' hammer of MoI.
In Memory of what could have been.

Vote: <ignore Furc, and not include him an any plan>

I

Second

this plan.

xvart can confirm himself as non-cult by killing you, yes? Barring some horrid plan involving the cult killing you too

SpyreX is still most likely cult, barring some insane plan that hito [?] outlined.
xvart is cult too.
Furc is a dumbass, and should be dead by D5/N5.
Benmage... it'll take longer for him... a day longer IIRC

[Benmage]

Benmage... it'll take longer for him... a day longer IIRC

You do realize that the murderer WC is 3 successful murders...I have 0. I already said I am laundering tonight and desire to be investigated.

Meaning D10, D9 if I don't launder tonight would be the earliest I could be murderer and win. So the D5 estimate is way off....If anyone believes I am going for the D10/9 impossible win......

[Andrius]

Oh.
I was all wrapped up on the "becoming murderer after 2 attempted kills" I forgot you had to WIN.

So yeah.
Benmage is town*. I'll re-consider warding you after this force-commune is over.

[SpyreX]

I'm not sure, Spyrex.

I think Tom's death, happening despite Iec's resus attempt, could have occured because
a) Someone tried to murder Tom, Iec stopped that, and the ritual got through
b) A greater ritual was performed, so Iec was insufficient to stop it
c) Tom resus'd someone (maybe you) and thus he was unable to be resus'd himself

I've yet to see evidence that all three are not possible. But I could be wrong.

Unless I'm misreading it a) and b) would have Iec bloodied.

Which he said he isn't.

[Iecerint]

I am more suspicious of hito and Seacore after reading the last few pages. Villifying Furco is senseless and cannot serve any purpose other than to set up a despair-based mislynch down the line.

[Seacore]

Andrius, there's a bunch wrong with what you've said, but It's already been mentioned.

xvart cannot confirm himself as non-cult because scum can fuck it up, and should because it'll lead to a quick mislynch.

But finally, to a huge concern I have.
How does obsession work? Does it just mean you have to commune two nights in a row, or do you have to commune for forever? Because if the latter is true, you're going to be pretty damn insane by the end of it.

[Seacore]

@ Spyrex, excellent, then you are correct. That is one fact I missed.

As for this...

I am more suspicious of hito and Seacore after reading the last few pages. Villifying Furco is senseless and cannot serve any purpose other than to set up a despair-based mislynch down the line.

What the hell are you on about?

[Iecerint]

OK, well, I suppose you say that you think xvart should carry out his kill if ElG has more insanities, so you're not really setting up a mislynch so much as having xvart kill him outright.

But if you can't tell what I mean by your villifying Furco...?

[Seacore]

Ah, I see, you haven't read the rest of the game before you posted, I understand your mistake now.

I don't want xvart to kill Furco at all.