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Post Post #900 (ISO) » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:20 pm

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camm wrote:b) I am not catch-up reading right away. I wish I could, but I cant. I will read Spyrex's posts soon.. but that is all.
But you DID have time to read the comprehensive list of rules.

HMM.
Hmm. I double checked... An it was VERY CLEAR how much I have read.
Either you are skimming, or you are trying to intentionally mislead people who are.

Which is it?
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Post Post #901 (ISO) » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:23 pm

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It is more clear now that I actually read THIS page instead of just skimming it. But yeah, I usually don't read rules, so I admit I was surprised by the finding of daytalk. This means more headaches.
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Post Post #902 (ISO) » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:24 pm

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and by this page i mean last page
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Post Post #903 (ISO) » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:27 pm

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The year of the placement in Texas doesnt matter

pretty sure Texans have been staunch christians before jesus even walked the Earth

and alright, fair enough.
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Post Post #904 (ISO) » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:39 pm

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camn wrote:Cogito: you are scum.
You are getting vigged tonight.
So just go drink a beer and let us grown folks figure out who your partners are!
I got daytalk from reading the rules. Don't try and act like you don't know about it... noone is falling for that.
If I had a beer for every time someone said something like this to me, I'd have a lot of beers which I'd probably just have to throw away since I don't drink. I missed daytalk the first time around; I guess it wasn't where I'd expect it to be.
camn wrote:If he wanted to defend TWOMZ... Why not just come out and do it?
Why the snark? Why attack my question?

And aside from that, since when is this flavor set in Texas in 2002?
And if it WAS, then show me the god-flavor. That would be an appropriate answer.
Not sarcasm. That is the scum answer
I don't want to defend Twomz. I'm answering your question (not attacking it either, at most I'm making disparaging comments about your familiarity with pop-culture, not something you get lynched over). Snark is fun. And I trust SK not to put anything relevant into the flavour scenes (ie. like Twomz being religious).

P.S. Does it help if I mention I played under the moniker Steam-Powered Shovel in Dirty Dirty South Mafia? I remember ending up as one of your top suspects that game too before I got cleared by investigation.
I remember that game...that did not end prettily...
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Post Post #905 (ISO) » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:40 pm

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SPS

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Post Post #906 (ISO) » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:44 pm

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SaintKerrigan wrote:"If this is what happens after you die, then what of the heaven and hell spoken of by God? Is that a lie? And if that's a lie...what else, then?"

Kestrel chuckled. "Wes, buddy, I think you're taking things a little too literally. Wasn't there something in the Bible about people's souls being kept somewhere until Judgment Day or whatever?"
The iso feature and Ctrl+F can yield results within three seconds of desiring an answer. There are Biblical references in the fluff.

I agree with whoever said it's pretty likely that there are fake claims with pre-written fluff and consider your alien religion transposed into a fake claim by lazy scum to be pretty weak as a concept to suspect anyone.
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Post Post #907 (ISO) » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:46 pm

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I like Thor now

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Post Post #908 (ISO) » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:50 pm

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For what, knowing keyboard shortcuts? I am really bewildered that you consider that one of my more townish postings.
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Post Post #909 (ISO) » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:51 pm

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It was the second part of your post

you silly
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Post Post #910 (ISO) » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:53 pm

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Slaxx wrote:SPS

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Hi Slaxx. I'm not an Arkon this time around.
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Post Post #911 (ISO) » Tue Nov 30, 2010 7:57 pm

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I was hoping for Arkon this round. Didn't get it.

Although now I am glad considering our track record with lynches so far.
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Post Post #912 (ISO) » Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:21 pm

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Thor665 wrote:After Hacker's post I'm less for APC's lynch and more for a Hacker lynch. Still happy with a Twomz lynch. I've got warm bubblies towards ThAd, but mostly because he called me town. That scum haven't gone after him at least shows that they believe he is a SK instead of a vig methinks, which does make me wonder about the people angling on ThAd. Probably should re-read and look at who did it, when, and how (this is my usual open invitation if someone else is excited by this, because I am lazy). I'm really lost on my Slaxx read.
So because I was asking why people were pushing for APC, you realised that you didn't have a reason and just decided to switch to me?
AlmasterGM wrote:But yeah, I usually don't read rules, so I admit I was surprised by the finding of daytalk. This means more headaches.
This was me too. If I had known about the daytalk, I certainly would have used it in my defence. As it was, my comments about Feysal in iso 15 were commenting on his scumminess, which is one of the things that I noted Nero was doing - ignoring the big wagons. There was enough movement at the end of day one, that Feysal's lack of stance really stood out. It's probably part of the reason why Spyrex investigated him.

Camn - with the extension, there's still plenty of time left before deadline. If CES and Twomz are so obviously scum, you should be able to come up with why before the weekend.
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Post Post #913 (ISO) » Tue Nov 30, 2010 8:56 pm

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HackerHuck wrote:So because I was asking why people were pushing for APC, you realised that you didn't have a reason and just decided to switch to me?
I actually felt like that because your entire post was defense of APC, then sort of shrugging and saying you'd help deadline lynch Twomz, and finally a little mumble at the end for better lynches that could be found. It felt more like scum setting up town points for later and also distancing from responsibility for the current lynch as well. Basically a lot of words spent separating yourself from both wagons and almost no words spent trying to get the wagon you believe in to happen.

I'll agree I didn't have a lot on APC, but I said that when I voted him and I haven't been voting him for a while now so...good catch?
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Post Post #914 (ISO) » Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:08 am

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camn wrote:Will he refrain from killing tonight, to prove he isn't compulsive?
I've said I would previously. But...
AlmasterGM wrote:there is no way he is not shooting. there are so many delicious targets to shoot. slaxx, apc, you name it.
Basically this.

@ camn: what are your thoughts on apc and thor? Especially apc.
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Post Post #915 (ISO) » Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:34 am

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Protip: I write my ruleset in order to help you guys out, so it might be worth at least one look-over. Just sayin'.

I'll get a vote count up sometime this afternoon.
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Post Post #916 (ISO) » Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:49 am

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Welcome camn. May you be the final replacement this game sees.

I must admit that I also had read the rules when the game first opened and didn’t remember that explicit Mod information about the Scum having Daytalk. This information certainly makes me wonder who SquareOb’s partners let him make such horrible flavorclaim. I can’t see a competent scum-team not working something out when they have the ability to Daytalk.

@camn
– Any reason you chose to flavorclaim on your first post?

@camn
– Now that you have caught up and based on your comments at 882 can I assume your stance on lynching Admiral has changed?

@APCakes
– This is the second time you’ve popped in to post essentially fluff (you suggest Slaxx is giving you uneasy feeling and flip-flop on Thor who was earlier 90% scum IIRC) and avoided my questions to you at my ISO 37.

If I don’t see those questions answered in your NEXT post I’m going to move my vote to you unless it would result in a No-Lynch at deadline (Saturday).
CES wrote:You suggested we don't apply double standards to make bad players improve their game; that clearly conflicts with playing to win. And yes, Glrok can be caught Day 1; he's renowned for his scum-hunting skills, not for his ability to hide his alignment. Taking people at face value when you know they're good at fooling at you is just bad play, pure and simple.
I suggested the double-standard was PART of the site meta, not that it was specifically used specifically by players for the purpose of furthering the meta. Not applying double standards is Good Play.

Your last statement I find troublesome. Why are you suggesting that everyone is taking Furry at face value? Do you know everyone’s thought processes? Just because I have a Town read on him doesn’t mean I consider him confirmed Town. And I’ve played exactly one game with Furry where I was able to make an accurate read of his play as Town. So I have no personal history that shows he’s good at fooling me when scum. Don’t assert that your history is relevant to everyone.
CES wrote:Screw you. I gave the game quite a bit of my time at endgame even if it doesn't necessarily show in my posts; trusting Katsuki's words really wasn't unreasonable.
How quaint. If you gave the game quite a bit of time at endgame your posting didn’t reflect this. Both days you pretty much swooped in to hammer Spyrex and then DGB with little reasoning presented. Trusting a Town player’s statement when he had no way to know 100% that he was correct is exactly the same sort of bad play that you are trying to attribute to the general Town read on Furry above.
CES wrote:I'm going to assume the ^^ means 2 posts up, because you're not making a whole lot of sense otherwise.
camn may have addressed this but I agree that post was scumtastic. It’s a fluffy, snide, and dismissive comment that doesn’t serve to finding scum. It further matches your ISO which consists of little scum-hunting and mostly defense and snide commentary.
Slaxx wrote:I like Thor now
I agree with Thor here. That post suddenly makes you like Thor? AGM had already made that point you said swayed you before Thor did. Does that mean you think he is Town now?
Admiral wrote:No. I am referring to the fact that the group has been lynching well. 2 for 2.
Let's not exaggerate. It's 0 from 2.
Your explanation makes more sense. And the 0-3 things was a fumble finger that I didn’t catch before I posted. Doh.
Thor wrote:Probably should re-read and look at who did it, when, and how (this is my usual open invitation if someone else is excited by this, because I am lazy).
If you are Town stop being lazy. It’s not Pro-Town and your constant statements to that fact are making my gut directly conflict with my head that says you are Town due to the Day 1 VC Analysis I did. At least you are chipping in with observations about Slaxx and Hacker
Hacker wrote:OK, I seriously need to understand the reasoning behind the APC wagon. He's been lurking (or rather inactive as I see it), yet none of you felt the need to try and get him prodded and/or replaced. The little bit of content he posted seemed pretty pro-town to me. Just look at the case on MoI that came out of the blue at the end of the day. It not only made sense, but it's not going after one of the usual suspects and it was floated out there when no one was really expecting anything out of him. I'll move to Twomz for the deadline lynch, but I really think we need to go in another direction like nero/camn.
I agree with Thor again … this post is bad.

1. I’ve already explained in detail why APC’s rushed post is a Null tell. Both Town and Scum under fire for lack of input would have reason to make a hasty post as a survival tactic.
2. Please explain how his case ‘made sense’. He dropped this issue the minute that I questioned him about the lack of support and the fact that he stripped all context out of my posts.
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Post Post #917 (ISO) » Wed Dec 01, 2010 4:55 am

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On this page Thor is uncomfortable with Slaxx buddying with him.
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Post Post #918 (ISO) » Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:02 am

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@APCakes – This is the second time you’ve popped in to post essentially fluff (you suggest Slaxx is giving you uneasy feeling and flip-flop on Thor who was earlier 90% scum IIRC) and avoided my questions to you at my ISO 37.
There are just too many curious interactions between {APC, Thor, Slaxx} for it to be coincidence. At least 2 are scum. Perhaps the Twomz wagon isn't the play today.
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Post Post #919 (ISO) » Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:07 am

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MagnaofIllusion wrote:If you are Town stop being lazy. It’s not Pro-Town and your constant statements to that fact are making my gut directly conflict with my head that says you are Town due to the Day 1 VC Analysis I did.
If I lied and said I wasn't lazy would it make me more pro-town? Methinks that direction lies a lengthy philosophical debate on the question of how much time it is reasonably expected for a "pro-town" player to put into the game and whether that time is subjective or should simply be based off tasks accomplished during that time.

@LynchMePls - yes, and I said as much. Is this some sort of observational humor?
LynchMePls wrote:On this page Thor is uncomfortable with Slaxx buddying with him.
You are correct (though actually I was more uncomfortable with *why* he was buddying, since the post that triggered it seemed weak). However, all that shows is he tried to buddy up to me and I reacted to it poorly. Other then being a "curious interaction" what actual info are you gleaning from it? Is your logic that the scum team are trying to get away from suspecting Thor who was the intended wagon and now perhaps isn't? I'm not sure why the scum would flee from me exactly, I'm still probably a decent mislynch. Or is your logic I'm scumbuddies with one of them and it is shown because of how they oddly reversed position on me...and then some random town guy did the exact same thing at about the exact same time?

Which explanation are you advancing other then "it's curious, 2 of the 3 must be scumz!"
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Post Post #920 (ISO) » Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:20 am

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I'm making an observation Thor. Make of it what you will. The fact is, there are numerous strange interactions amongst that group.
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Post Post #921 (ISO) » Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:36 am

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Along with your observation how did you reach the conclusion of 2 scum amongst the three person group?
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Post Post #922 (ISO) » Wed Dec 01, 2010 7:15 am

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@moi:

I think the daytalk popped out at me because I recently was reminded how much of a tool that can be. (read: we got killed by a daytalking scumteam). There was a similar coaching-towntell in that game.
Re: thadmiral, you are correct. Initially I thought we had a real SKiller... But his play + mafia doc leans me toward big.
Also: I flavorclaimed because I figured that EVERYONE would have by now.... !
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Post Post #923 (ISO) » Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:19 am

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Thor665 wrote:Along with your observation how did you reach the conclusion of 2 scum amongst the three person group?
It's an intuition. My feeling is that based on those interactions, there is some amount of distancing/buddying going on. Thus I figure two of that group are likely scum.
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Post Post #924 (ISO) » Wed Dec 01, 2010 8:20 am

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camn wrote:@moi:

I think the daytalk popped out at me because I recently was reminded how much of a tool that can be. (read: we got killed by a daytalking scumteam). There was a similar coaching-towntell in that game.
Re: thadmiral, you are correct. Initially I thought we had a real SKiller... But his play + mafia doc leans me toward big.
Also: I flavorclaimed because I figured that EVERYONE would have by now.... !
Why would scum get caught for coaching in the thread if they can coach in their daytalk thread? This "Does Not Compute".
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