Succession Mafia (OVER!)

[Chronopie]

Also: Post 3k.

So Andy, seeing as you're here, lets hear some of these Tinfoils you've claimed to have over the last couple days.

[xvart]

I'll be posting in about half an hour, so I'll get to any outstanding questions then and if you have any others that you think I might answer post 'em up.

xvart.

[Andrius]

Tinfoil Theory 2 was disproved earlier, and I don't remember what it was.

Tinfoil/Mathematical Theory 4: Orange Cult had 3 members as of D4. Members are: Recruiter, Yosarian2, Recruitee.

Part of what I'm doing is looking into night actions, no-kill nights, and trying to see how big the cults are, and how they grew.
For example: the night M=W was killed the purple team didn't recruit, and the orange cult had no net change in membership. (-1, +1)

Tinfoil Theory 6: As cult recruit, you cannot use your PR and kill during the same night.
This has since been proven false, IIRC.

I'm going to hold off on some other ones until I get started on the reread, but:

Tinfoil 1: Seraphim replaced out because he was recruited by vezokpiraka on N0

Been mentioned before, but I haven't forgotten it

Tinfoil 3: ReaperCharlie is Purple Scum, recruited somewhere in the range of N1-N3.

I want to look into this some more, but if I had to place him somewhere, he'd be purple. If you want some preliminary evidence, look at him and xvart on D4, and see how they are voting. Pretty much anyone BUT Erg0/Quagmire, even though I called wagon on Quag. They led a massive wagon on ooba, then swapped to gandalf at the last minute.
My initial guess was N1, since the purple cult successfully killed orange M=W N2. And his result on ooba was copied from me; the real result could have been on M=W, or on some other random townie.

Oh, and look how singersigner quickly jumps onto the gandalf wagon too. HRM.

Not tinfoil, but SS is cult.

That's why she double-voted; to keep herself alive. SS is probably orange, too.

Withholding 5 until later, which is all my insight into who Orange Recruiter is.

p.s. Chrono and Poro are not in the same faction. And they are *most likely* not both Purple. (B/c Quagmire and xvart are both purple.)

[Yosarian2]

Also, I think we should pressure Yosarin to claim. Not only because he is the last one to not claim (besides Gurgi) but he is confirmed scum in the alive recruiter's cult, and he is the optimal lynch if we can't find the recruiter. In fact my

First Play

is to force a claim from him. I'm expecting him to claim something, and I want to see if I'm seeing this correctly.

I don't really get how you think you can force me to claim anything. Your threat to lynch me is empty, and I'm sure you know it.

[Andrius]

Not so.
You are in the cult with the recruiter, and killing you is the 2nd-best play we can make. So yeah. While you may refuse to claim, you are target #2 at the moment.

[xvart]

I'm not going to either verify or disagree any part of your claims at the moment, but if you were telling the truth, you claimed that a cult recruiter who didn't kill that night would show up as innocent, correct? I was investigated when there wasn't a kill, and showed up as a recruit, so if your claim was accurate, I can't possibly be a cult leader.

Your right. My apologies. The only way you can be a recruiter is if the investigation on you was falsified (meaning Andy is in your Cult group) and your Cult is comfortable in size and you could just sit back under no scrutiny, but that theory is completely unrelated to my previous observation of you still possibly being the recruiter and that basis is, as you have shown, wrong. Andy - file Yos2 as a cult recruiter away as tin foil #10 if you are keeping tin foil theories that implicate you.

Hey xvart, sorry to ask another (stupid) question, but could you bodyguard and kill at the same time?

I'm not answering this on the basis that it could help you narrow down my other Cult members later on. If it helps you narrow down the other recruiter I'll answer.

Why has this game stalled? we're so close to taking out the other recruiter.

We are? It feels more like a game of "Follow the two incompetent cops"

Well how about you contribute something? We have been discussing things that aren't even related to cops and whether or not they are competent.

Well we've ruled out all but three people (maybe four). Being yourself, Flameaxe, Gurgi, (and maybe Robo).

We can't rule out Prozac, either; because he could be claiming a recruited persons night actions.

Therefore, we know that only a few people can be recruiter, and those with

Confirmable

PRs (i.e Andy, RC, Poro, Myself, Xvart-scum, SS I guess), are definitely Clear. Robo's cannot be Confirmed, unless the remaining recruiter is whiling to blow an attempt. (unless Erg0/Quagmire already blew an attempt. Xvart?)

I don't understand what you are asking me here.

I think what we really need to do, is post the same information on every new page, and ask the same questions over and over again until maybe someone answers it...again.

I'm legitimately not recruited (so I'd really like a town win on this one, guys). Isn't that cool?

See my response to Darox above.

I think everyone who has been reading my posts is fully aware of my role at this point.

Anyone else want to claim scum, or corroborate what other claimed cultists have said?

How about you spell it out for us if everyone knows already?

Who says he is the cop? He did. I could say I frikkin own a Unicorn that is a rockstar but it doesn't make it true.

Except he claimed flavor that I have confirmed. He was turned away at the door when I BGed Faraday. So either he is a cop, or another role that would be turned away. RC is not the other recruiter because the Yos2's team recruited Me=Weird N0.

Chrono, xvart could be lying about the attempted kill on RC. Come on. You're better than that, I know it and you know it.

I didn't attempt to kill him but we considered it because he was going to investigate me, but we knew he wasn't the recruiter and may not even be recruited. Yos2 was a guarantee Cult hit so at least we would keep their membership growing.

I don't really get how you think you can force me to claim anything. Your threat to lynch me is empty, and I'm sure you know it.

I'll go ahead and say it but I will only vote today if I am convinced of the other recruiter or Yos2.

Still haven't heard back from Flay on my question to him.

xvart.

[Andrius]

We can't rule out Prozac, either; because he could be claiming a recruited persons night actions.

Running out the door, but a valid point; tinfoil.

p.s. xvart, you probably protected Quag N4, as I saw you outside the door, and it makes sense now.

Waiting for Flay on something of mine too; want to make sure its legal before I do it. lol

/class

[Chronopie]

Therefore, we know that only a few people can be recruiter, and those with

Confirmable

PRs (i.e Andy, RC, Poro, Myself, Xvart-scum, SS I guess), are definitely Clear. Robo's cannot be Confirmed, unless the remaining recruiter is whiling to blow an attempt. (unless Erg0/Quagmire already blew an attempt. Xvart?)

I don't understand what you are asking me here.

xvart.

It's quite simple: We cannot confirm Robo's ability, unless a recruiter attempts to recruit Andy despite Robo's protection. Did Erg0 or Quagmire attempt to do so?

@Yos: same question. Did your CR attempt to recruit Andy despite Robo?

[Robocopter87]

Who says he is the cop? He did. I could say I frikkin own a Unicorn that is a rockstar but it doesn't make it true.

Except he claimed flavor that I have confirmed. He was turned away at the door when I BGed Faraday. So either he is a cop, or another role that would be turned away. RC is not the other recruiter because the Yos2's team recruited Me=Weird N0.

xvart.

Finally, some evidence clearing Reaper. Instead of "He claimed cop! He

must

be town!" Stupid nonsense.

Holster

[Darox]

What about the start of the day results PM's nonsense that all but confirms that RC is either in a cult with Andrius or they're both enforcers that I pointed out?

You know, that thing that everyone ignored that further ruined my faith in this towns ability to read.

[ReaperCharlie]

Hmmm, interesting new stuff. I was afraid I was gonna come back to 1 or 2 new replies, but you guys haven't disappointed me.... my favorite part is this, though:

Robo votes for ME -> who has been cleared by ANDRIUS since N0 -> who has been allegedly "protected" from being recruited by ROBO since N1.

Soooo either Robo doesn't believe HIMSELF... OR... Robo is a recruiter who is sick of me digging up dirt on him and stirring the pot about his un-confirmedness. Guess which.

Unvote; Vote: Robocopter87

Aaaannndddd, ninja'd twice, once by Robo. BUT THIS POST STILL APPLIES!!!

[Andrius]

Seriously, RC, if we don't lynch recruiter today we might consider cross-investigating tonight; that way we'll know if we're both town; and therein quasi-masons. <3

[ReaperCharlie]

Aye, that we would, wouldn't we laddie? EXCEPT THAT...
If we don't lynch recruiter TODAY then we've all but lost.

So just TRUST ME and I will just TRUST YOU TOO. DEAL?

[Andrius]

Sorry, trusting you isn't something I can do right now, especially since I think you're purple.

RC, which cult do you think SS is in? Chrono? Poro?

[Andrius]

P.S. How do you know we've lost?

You have secret access to the scum wincon or something?

[ReaperCharlie]

Fair enough. And why do you think I'm purple? WTF! That's sooooo stupid.

I think Chrono is in Yos2's faction and I'm not sure whether I think Poro is scum at all.

Why didn't you investigate Flameaxe last night?

[Andrius]

Evidence coming later on. But your atypical "that's sooooo stupid" is noted. lol

RC. WHAT ABOUT SS??

Because I didn't get the memo. And I had a much better read on xvart I needed to settle.

[ReaperCharlie]

NO, I THINK WE'VE LOST BECAUSE ITS DAY SIX. SIMPLE MATH.

N0 = 2 possible recruits
N1 = 2 possible recruits
N2 = 2 possible recruits
N3 = 2 possible recruits
N4 = 2 possible recruits
N5 = 1 possible recruit

Minus whatever nights xvart and Yos said they weren't able to recruit. But still, that's a HECK OF A LOT of possible recruits. I don't know about you, but with the number of people that have died so far, NINE, and the number of people that remain, ELEVEN, I think that AT LEAST eight if not nine (or ten, shudder) of the remaining players is in a cult.

[Robocopter87]

I must say, I probably should pay attention to the game. I apparently don't know about half the things going on.

PEDITX3: STOP NINJAING ME

[ReaperCharlie]

Evidence coming later on. But your atypical "that's sooooo stupid" is noted. lol

RC. WHAT ABOUT SS??

Because I didn't get the memo. And I had a much better read on xvart I needed to settle.

No idea about SS.

And yes, 'that's soooo stupid' IS atypical. I noticed that. But it was the only thing that came to mind, and I didn't care, so I posted it anyways.

I mean, I can't exactly prove to you that I'm NOT scum, so why bother trying. And I already asked you to trust me, and you won't, so that's shot too.

I mean, I would TOTALLY give you a "Pooky promise" and all, that I'm super super super town, but a) I'm not pooky, b) I have no meta of doing that so it'd be worthless, and c) this is a cult game, so it's doubly worthless.

[ReaperCharlie]

I must say, I probably should pay attention to the game. I apparently don't know about half the things going on.

PEDITX3: STOP NINJAING ME

Or in other words:

"OMG! I'M NOT PAYING ATTENTION!!! I'M MAKING STUPID POSTS THAT MAKE NO SENSE!!! AND NOW OTHER PEOPLE ARE NOTICING AND POSTING AND I CAN'T EVEN POST BECAUSE OTHER PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT MEEEE!!! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!! SRSLY U GUYZ!!! FEEL SORRY FOR MEEEE!!!"

Confirm Vote: Robocopter.

We should have lynched him on Day 2. vezok was quite bad enough but Robo is becoming even worse.

[Andrius]

RC, you forgot the cult kills on Me=Weird, the kill on ooba, and failed attempts. We're not as bad off as you.

Good, because I'm starting to think purple looks like: Quagmire, xvart, RC, SS, ???
That's my pre-read purple, so.

Orange is: Yosarian2, ORANGE RECRUITER, ???, Chrono/Poro

[ReaperCharlie]

Well, that's obviously not CORRECT, but that IS actually a good idea, declaring the scum teams like that. Make that official and pretty with colors and such, and then we'll get to refining it to what's possible and what's not. And we'll make sure we add who's in who's camp because of what and all that.

More later, but that's actually a good idea and you should run with it. But while you're at it, wanna throw a vote down on Robocopter? Pretty please?

[Chronopie]

Seriously, RC, if we don't lynch recruiter today we might consider cross-investigating tonight; that way we'll know if we're both town; and therein quasi-masons. <3

I have a better idea. Check over the remaining unchecked i.e SS and Robo, then check back over the early results on the Claimed Goons. i.e re-check Gurgi, Darox, and Flameaxe.

And remember, since CRs are apparently InvImmune, and people can be recruited overnight, only "recruited" results can be trusted 100%.

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@RC: Not sure voting Robo is the best idea. After all, if he's town, and cult-doc, you'd be opening Andy up to recruitment tonight. ofc it might be worth lynching Robo to find out whether we can trust Andy anyway.

If Robo's either a) recruited, b) a recruiter (best case scenario), or c) a lying VT, then we can't trust Andy's results. If he's actually town, then Andy's scum tomorrow, and we can't trust any future results.

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I'd rather Lynch Gurgi, Darox, or Flameaxe over Robo.

Aim: Lord Gurgi

Gurgi's been cruising ever since his 'Innocent' result, so him first.

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P.Edit: Well if RC's scum, then we doubly cannot trust his results. Any "innocent" results of his could be just faked results on his team mates.

P.Edit II: Yes, lets work out potential scum teams. Hey Yos, Xvart, care to tell us whether we're on the right track kthx. /sarcasm

And stop ninja'ing me goddamnit.

[Andrius]

Not yet.
I do suspect him, but I'm not voting yet, as I'm town and not willing to let the only reliable weapon the town has left be decided by quick-hammering cultists.

Fine.

Purple Cult: Quagmire

, xvart, ReaperCharlie, singersigner, ???

Orange Cult: ???

, Yosarian2, Chrono/Poro, ???, ???

Potential Orange Recruiters:

Flameaxe, Darox, Robocopter87

Read D4, from the ooba at L-1 to the end of the day. Tell me that xvart and RC cannot be buddies. SS is #3 IMO.
Sadly though, we need to hit ORANGE.