[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

[drmyshottyizsik]

there's 3 of them... idk there's not much difference, mainly the masons can confirm who the other masons are at least due to having three of them, would a sk mason/neighbor be to much?

I would set it up to were the mafia member and the sk could be on the same mason group,,, tehehe that wuold be fun,

[Kitoari]

Lines of Communication

A:Neighbor with B and L
B: Neighbor with C and A
C: Neighbor with B and D
...
K: Neighbor with J and L
L: Neighbor with K and A

2 Neighbors are mafia, and also have their own QT.
1 Neighbor is an SK.

Skewing numbers so that SK <-> Mafia <-> Town happens is encouraged.

[mykonian]

Empking's No Lynching Town

2 Mafia
5 VTs

If town would lynch a VT they No Lynch instead

Please check my maths.

Mafia wins if:

3 consecutive mislynches: 5/7 * 4/6 * 3/5 = 2/7
first a correct lynch and then 3 mislynches: 2/7 * 4/5 * 3/4 * 2/3 = 4/35
mislynch, correct, 2 mislynches: 5/7 * 2/6 * 3/4 * 2/3 = 5/42
2 mislynches, correct, mislynch: 5/7 * 4/6 * 2/5 * 2/3 = 8/105

I thought these were all the paths for a mafia victory, which adds to (60+24+16+25)/210 = 125/210 which is about 60%

That is pretty neat if we assume town can scumhunt better then random.

[Kelly Chen]

2 mislynches, correct, mislynch: 5/7 * 4/6 * 2/5 * 2/3 = 8/105

This one should be 80/630 or 12.7%.

But that's good because 64.6% is more fair than 60% for a 3.5-day game. Though I still see it as town-slanted and prefer the 6p version.

I think it's more elegant, too, to just say that the townie dies on lynch but the mafia only get to kill when a goon is lynched. I think this will get you to the same place most of the time.

[Empking]

Nominate: At least one of the retalitory mountainious games

- I have to say that I find the 64.6% chance the best.

Carbon - 15

2 Mafia OR 2 Werewolves

5 Vanilla Townies

The players are split into three groups: Two Masons, Two Monks and Three Un-Afilliated. Masons are guaranteed no mafia, Monks are guaranteed no werewolves.

[mykonian]

Nominate: At least one of the retalitory mountainious games

- I have to say that I find the 64.6% chance the best.

My first

second

. I'm quite in love with the setup.

[TheButtonmen]

Nominate: At least one of the retalitory mountainious games

- I have to say that I find the 64.6% chance the best.

My first

second

. I'm quite in love with the setup.

Thirded

[drmyshottyizsik]

Nominate: At least one of the retalitory mountainious games

- I have to say that I find the 64.6% chance the best.

My first

second

. I'm quite in love with the setup.

Thirded

this biotch just got

fourthed

which means the movement should be passed

[Lateralus22]

Mafia

Goon
Goon

Town

PGO
Jail Keeper
VT
VT
VT

Any comments?

Note: Two mislynches for town. Looking at this again the PGO would have to be unknown to themselves.

[Empking]

2 Goons

1 PGO
1 Jailkeeper
3 Townies

I'll

nominate

this.

[Lateralus22]

2 Goons

1 PGO
1 Jailkeeper
3 Townies

I'll

nominate

this.

Awsome, but, why Goon over RB and what do you think of the PGO being unknown? I just realized that the PGO could claim day 1 and would be pretty much a confirmed townie.

[Empking]

2 Goons

1 PGO
1 Jailkeeper
3 Townies

I'll

nominate

this.

Awsome, but, why Goon over RB and what do you think of the PGO being unknown? I just realized that the PGO could claim day 1 and would be pretty much a confirmed townie.

The RB being used is bad play making the role just an annoyance to the set up.

If the PGO being confirmed is a big problem for you:

Empking's 7p Trap

2 Goons (Goons are told which set up is in play.)

1 Jailkeeper OR PGO
1 Jailkeeper
3 Townies

[Kitoari]

DB70842

, continuing the tradition of newbie-esque games with Hexidecimal titles. For 9 players.

RB CP DC SPR
1 1 0 1
1 0 1 1
0 1 1 1
0 0 0 0
1 0 0 0
0 1 0 0
0 0 1 0

Key:
1 in a RB, CP, DC grants town a power role.
CP = Cop
RB = Roleblocker
DC = Doctor
SPR = If there are two power roles, scum gets the one not taken otherwise. Cop is changed to Role Cop.

Rest of the game is townies.

The only problem I see is Town drawing RB and CP and leaving scum with DC. Maybe just ban that particular setup.

[gandalf5166]

So you just generate 4 binary numbers?

[Kitoari]

So you just generate 4 binary numbers?

Well, you could do it like that OR you could write it out:
Town RB, Town Cop, Scum Doctor (fff)
Town Cop, Town Doc, Scum RB
Town RB, Town Doc, Scum Role Cop
Town Cop
Town Doc
Town RB
Mountainous

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=F11 see this if you don't get why I did it as binary.

[Hoopla]

A friends and enemies inspired set-up.

2x Mafia Goons
1x Mafia Tracker

3x Town Role-Cops
7x Vanilla Townies

Day start, Goons and VT's investigate as Vanilla. The substitute for role-cops over masons is obviously a lot less powerful, as any confirmed innocents are going to be one-way knowledge only (and might not happen at all), so you won't have that block of confirmed townies planning together. To compensate for this watering down, I've given the town a 4 mislynch vs. 3 lynch game, and also the chance to catch a scumbag via their investigations, as a result of Tracker must be scum. Whilst the Tracker is alive for scum, it operates as a pseudo-rolecop which balances against the perks I've added for town.

[Empking]

Empking's Superior Newbie

2/5 chance of

1 Roleblocker
1 Goon

1 Cop
1 Doc
5 Vanilla Townies

1/5 of either of the following:

2 Goons

1 Cop
6 Townies

OR

2 Goons

1 Doc
6 Townies

OR

1 Roleblocker
1 Goon

7 Townies

7P Confirmations Ahoy

2 Goons

1 Cop
1 Barber
3 Townies

[gandalf5166]

What's a barber do?

[Empking]

What's a barber do?

Nothing. Its a VT with a unique name.

[SteveT]

What's a barber do?

Presumably it's not as good as their clients' 'dos.

[Mr. Flay]

There's a setup with a Named Townie already - My Name is Earl.

[Empking]

2:1:4

2 Werewolves

1 Un-NKable SK

1 Seer
3 Townies

[Powerrox93]

2:1:4

2 Werewolves

1 Un-NKable SK

1 Seer
3 Townies

IDK about this.
Misslynch D1 and town NK by both Werewolf and SK and werewolves has won D2. Need more town roles.

[Empking]

2:1:4

2 Werewolves

1 Un-NKable SK

1 Seer
3 Townies

IDK about this.
Misslynch D1 and town NK by both Werewolf and SK and werewolves has won D2. Need more town roles.

What if Werewolves only win if they're the only faction rather than by endgaming? That way they would have to lynch the SK.

[Powerrox93]

2:1:4

2 Werewolves

1 Un-NKable SK

1 Seer
3 Townies

IDK about this.
Misslynch D1 and town NK by both Werewolf and SK and werewolves has won D2. Need more town roles.

What if Werewolves only win if they're the only faction rather than by endgaming? That way they would have to lynch the SK.

Werewolfs would still control 50% of the votes if there is a mislynch D1 and just NK on town players. If either a townie/SK votes a non-werewolf, they could just wagon that vote and still win that game.