Seacore wrote:On the Spyrex front, I'm going to pretty much echo Trilo. I don't feel that an unclaimed rez is a sufficient point to damn him. I'm really not comfortable with TNM (I think it was him) trying to set that up as a default. Make's mislynches too 'automatic' and easy.
It's not the main point though. It's corroborating evidence. It's the nail in the coffin. He tunneled the shit out of AV and didn't do a whole lot else. That's genuinely scummy behavior. It's not a default lynch either. My guess is that if EL G hadn't effed up so bad, SpyreX's lynch would have happened yesterday. So what is the opposition to it today? I don't get it at all. You lynch obv. scum players, not make excuses for them being "easy" targets.
Seacore wrote:given how wrong I was on the MoI front, (although he wasn't cult, yay me?), I'm willing to be lead.
Lead by who, Trilo? Trilo was right about MoI, but on the other hand, so was I. I have a lot of respect for every player in the Trilo hydra and I'm willing to listen to everything they have to say this game (unless I feel I can't trust them), but I honestly feel they have their blinders on right now because it was a fast wagon. Scum is scum, kill it with fire.
Seacore wrote:Re: the defence of Andrius, I think meta can be discarded in a game like this. It is too easy for scum to blend in with everybody "not understanding" the game. Particularly when we had people like Furc in it. So just because someone's scum meta is to jump in and get over-involved doesn't mean they'd do it as scum in this game.
Perhaps, but I don't feel it can just be written off as a possibility like that. I think for someone who hasn't played the game before, you have an exceptionally good understanding of the setup. However, I can completely understand a town player making a few mistakes due to misreading the rules or passing something over. It happened to me the last game. It comes down to how meticulous you are. Vas is vouching for Andrius and saying he's not always great with the details. Now, could the scum fake this? Sure, with a little coaching (presuming he still wouldn't understand the rules regardless of alignment). But that doesn't mean it isn't equally or even more likely (given the odds of drawing scum) that he would mess up as town. So, I suppose I can see why you want to call it a null-tell, but even so I'm not sure if I'm willing to dismiss it out of hand as a possibility. I think him messing up as town is certainly more likely than town-SpyreX playing very poorly AND being rezzed by Furpants.
Additionally, that wasn't the only point Vas mentioned. I'm not calling Andrius a solid town read by any stretch of the imagination, but I do trust Vas right now and if his read of the situation is in line with my own, I'm certainly not going to pass over a likely scum in SpyreX for that lynch.
