Succession Mafia (OVER!)

[xvart]

I'm really interested in reading the other Cult's QT. Ours is below, what little there really was... I had to ask Flay if I would be able to use the faction kill even if Erg0 never showed up during one of the night phases.

http://www.quicktopic.com/45/H/wSULHaE3Bpwh

[Flameaxe]

Here is ours: [redacted upon request -Flay] A bit of a long read at parts.

[Yosarian2]

I really couldn't tell if Yos2 was telling some version of the truth with his "we are small, woe is us" jibberish. I was hoping they had failed at recruiting as much as he was implying because that was the only shot I had.

Oh, no, not at all. We knew you guys tried and failed to recruit me=weird, and we figured you guys later used your kill on him instead of recruiting, so we knew you were tiny.

That was just something I started as soon as I claimed. I wanted to plant the idea that we were the "small cult" right away; partly because it would lower the odds of me getting lynched, but mostly because that way the town wouldn't try to figured out who my recruiter was (which would have let them go back and look at all my behavior and everything) and instead would try to figure out who the other cult recruiter was (since he was the "large" cult)

By the way, everyone, i was town day 1. Most of the attacks on me on day 2 and 3 were based on my day 1 play, which is kind of funny since I was town then and really thought furcolow was scum. I was so frustrated when he flipped cop. Then, I was recruited that night, and was less frustrated that I'd just lynched a cop, lol.

[Yosarian2]

Also, Xvart, I don't know if anyone noticed this or not, but I made a point of REALLY trying to push for your lynch every time someone suggested lynching Robo. My goal was to manipulate the town yesterday into thinking Robo was my recruiter and to make them think I was trying to lynch you to protect him. I didn't really expect town to lynch you, although it would have been nice of course.

[singersigner]

I'm sorry. I suck, too. After replacing in, I realized this game was really over my head. I tried my best when I could, then I've had a stint of shotty play recently, so I completly checked out once RC and Andrius took over. I couldn't really compete with that caliber of playing. Once you guys figured I was recruited, there wasn't really much to convince you otherwise.

Question, and this is probably discussed in the QTs, but for lack of wanting to fish through it, did me using my shot as a double-vote matter to you guys? Was there a reason I wasn't recruited after my claim?

[ReaperCharlie]

Question, and this is probably discussed in the QTs, but for lack of wanting to fish through it, did me using my shot as a double-vote matter to you guys? Was there a reason I wasn't recruited after my claim?

Mostly because you would have been useless to us; not only because you'd already wasted your power, but we had already pushed the angle that you were an "obv-recruit", so nobody would have listened to you anyway. You would have been just another statistic. But mostly because we wanted to get the roleblockers. And we kept shooting for people we knew were townies, and you just weren't one of those people. After I was recruited, we mainly just recruited everyone who I investigated. Chrono, Darox, Porochaz, all in that order, just like I investigated them. But yes, that was really poor play, wasting your vig in order to use a double-vote, once. >.< That's just not playing to win.

[singersigner]

You would've thought it better to kill someone I wasn't confident was scum, or wait to get recruited? And I'm asking you to answer from an unbiased, non-recruit play.

[ReaperCharlie]

I honestly got so frustrated with RC that I complained about him more than once, (I think, I definitely complained once) and sucked the life out of the game for me. I stopped wanting to be involved. It was his aim however and he did apologise to me in the QT.

I'm sorry. It wasn't exactly fun for me to do that.

I tried to make up for it at the end, by doing what counts, and putting a W in the column for you instead of an L.

But I hope there's no hard feelings, either way.

[xvart]

If singer hadn't used her double vote would you guys have recruited her immediately in the night?

I completely forgot about the Recruiter being completely investigation immune and just kept thinking whatever flavor Andy said. Again, that might have made a slight difference in the way the game played out (we would have been screwed anyway) because Quag shouldn't have submitted that kill. But I think that was the night I was RBed by Prozac and couldn't talk in the QT so I wouldn't have been able to kill anyway.

[xvart]

I would definitely play a similar setup in the future, too.

[Porochaz]

I want to apologise somewhat about my "elitist" behaviour. It was terrible and in the end hypocritical. However I will maintain that the amount of time I spent upset at Faraday, Ani, Friend etc. for not scumhunting at all was ridiculous. I dont believe you can play mafia like that, as it stops being fun. If you go on like that surely we get games where noone posts at all, bar votes and it's one of the main reasons Im slowly trying to ween myself off of ms. On the flip side, I really dont have time for more than one game at the moment.

Vezok and Furc are another problem entirely, I know ani, I know he can play, he just chooses not to. However having these two people come in and be completely and utterly ridiculously stupid well... vezok right from the word go. Both were in so many games, I think vezok was in double figures and its proof that noone can handle that many games. (sigh...) There really needs to be a limit on how many large games someone should in for. Both need to go back and learn the basics. As they didnt do so the first time. Once we got past day 2/3 I felt happier but at the same time RC was doing his best to gewt my back up. He succeeded.

[Faraday]

don't want to really get into an argument about this, you're of course entitled to your opinion, I certainly thought Friend was scumhunting though so strongly disagree.

as for furc, well no comment really. yeah.

Hey xvart WERE you scum day 2 then when i was lynched?

[ReaperCharlie]

You would've thought it better to kill someone I wasn't confident was scum, or wait to get recruited? And I'm asking you to answer from an unbiased, non-recruit play.

Yes. You should have killed someone, and claimed it the following day. The very possibility of "possibly killing a recruiter" would have more than been worth a single townie's death. Heck, it would have been worth more than a cop's death, because the cops were corrupt anyways ... well, at least, one of them was. >:D

Either way though, a little part of me that was losing interest in the game got sparked back into life when I got recruited. Whenever there is a cult game, I hope to be recruited. There's something about being part of something that can grow in size and power, but at the same time is constantly in fear of having its head chopped off, that makes me very satisfied deep down. It's the risk, and excitement, etc., which makes it so... so... idk, pick your own word for how you want to describe it. Anyway, that's why I was so happy to have been in a game where the mod didn't screw over the cults by doing something stupid like has happened to me in past cult games, such as: Making it so that when the cult leader died, all the recruits died too (seriously, wtf. This isn't

real life

or anything -- where everyone drinks the kool-aid), or even worse imo, having a reflexive watcher, who learns whoever targeted him. Especially when in that game you had to first 'unlock' a player before you could hope to recruit him. That night, the reflexive watcher learned that he had been 'unlocked', learned that I was the only person who targeted him that night. He understandably came to the conclusion that I was therefore the cult leader. I about strangled the mod for adding such a stupid role, and punishing good scum play so harshly. I still refuse to play any of that mod's games.

As for Friend, I thought he was a townie for about 90% of the time. He seemed so genuine, in a way that is really hard to fake.

[ReaperCharlie]

As for Furcolow, I will continue to disagree with you all. His insights are spot on about 80% of the time, and that's a darn sight better than most of us. At my best, I'm barely above 60%, and usually not even close to that. In other words, I pretty much consider Furcolow as somewhat of a genius, with pretty poor social skills. I think his play in this game was exactly as he's played in other games, and really don't understand why everyone wants to lynch him, other than his abrasive posting style. These are the reasons I have let Furc play my games in the past, and will continue to let him play my games in the future.

1. He provides content, and a whole lot of it. and he speaks his mind very candidly.
2. His content, along with most of his resulting assertions: very often correct.
3. He is a wild card: he often thinks of things that nobody else does, and runs with his ideas.
4. He doesn't give two sh*ts about what anyone else thinks. He plays the game for fun.

And here are the reasons why I would not allow him to play in my games (none of which he has exhibited):

1. He doesn't lurk, flake, or slow the game down (in fact, quite the opposite. He is a bastion of rampant activity).
2. He doesn't cheat. He has asked me numerous times about what is legal or not legal, if the rules didn't address it specifically.
3. He doesn't make empty promises of content, and then not deliver (like so many people do, including myself).

I think everyone else just needs to accept his style (whether you like it or not) as a valid playstyle, and learn to work out your personality differences with him. Everyone has quirks and idiosyncracies; his just show up in a more obvious way.

[Faraday]

don't buy he's accurate 80% of the time, but w/e. I can totally see why people wanted him lynched, although I did think he was totally damn townie. Which sucked.

or avoid him? I mean, there are a number of players I dislike playing with, i'm sure there are a number of players who dislike playing with me, there are enough people and games out there that it doesn't matter to me and it's not a huge problem, really.

[Robocopter87]

Vezok and Furc are another problem entirely, I know ani, I know he can play, he just chooses not to. However having these two people come in and be completely and utterly ridiculously stupid well... vezok right from the word go. Both were in so many games, I think vezok was in double figures and its proof that noone can handle that many games. (sigh...) There really needs to be a limit on how many large games someone should in for. Both need to go back and learn the basics. As they didnt do so the first time. Once we got past day 2/3 I felt happier but at the same time RC was doing his best to gewt my back up. He succeeded.

Amen to that.

[Me=Weird]

Well, I was kind of glad when I got killed, because I was finding it hard to concentrate on the game and be productive, but it was a good game. I rabidly watched it after I died. Might have more up later.

[xvart]

Hey xvart WERE you scum day 2 then when i was lynched?

Yeah man, I was. I was recruited N1. I was slightly worried about you actually flipping recruited since I didn't say anything about your wagon; but honestly I didn't see any merit whatsoever in the case on you. I bodyguarded you N0 and I didn't lynch you, so can we still be friends?

[Faraday]

Of course That's totally helped me realise my reads weren't as bad as I thought all this game then, since I found you town-ish day 1 I think.

[Robocopter87]

I asked for my last words to be "Its always darker before the dawn". But then we lost at the dawn lol.

[ReaperCharlie]

Darkness Before Dawn... http://goo.gl/Jijc3

Very good! Loved it as a kid! (still do) ^_^

[Porochaz]

As for Furcolow, I will continue to disagree with you all. His insights are spot on about 80% of the time, and that's a darn sight better than most of us. At my best, I'm barely above 60%, and usually not even close to that. In other words, I pretty much consider Furcolow as somewhat of a genius, with pretty poor social skills. I think his play in this game was exactly as he's played in other games, and really don't understand why everyone wants to lynch him, other than his abrasive posting style. These are the reasons I have let Furc play my games in the past, and will continue to let him play my games in the future.

1. He provides content, and a whole lot of it. and he speaks his mind very candidly.
2. His content, along with most of his resulting assertions: very often correct.
3. He is a wild card: he often thinks of things that nobody else does, and runs with his ideas.
4. He doesn't give two sh*ts about what anyone else thinks. He plays the game for fun.

And here are the reasons why I would not allow him to play in my games (none of which he has exhibited):

1. He doesn't lurk, flake, or slow the game down (in fact, quite the opposite. He is a bastion of rampant activity).
2. He doesn't cheat. He has asked me numerous times about what is legal or not legal, if the rules didn't address it specifically.
3. He doesn't make empty promises of content, and then not deliver (like so many people do, including myself).

I think everyone else just needs to accept his style (whether you like it or not) as a valid playstyle, and learn to work out your personality differences with him. Everyone has quirks and idiosyncracies; his just show up in a more obvious way.

Well your latter three are correct, even if 1 does mean he spams the thread near constantly making other players want to post less. I certainly didnt want to wade through the crap he was posting so much so i stopped reading his posts all together. I found my gaming experience got better. As for your four, the top two are blatantly wrong. 3 is correct but not always a good thing and 4, possibly, but he does so at the detriment of everyone else. I won't play a game with him (or vezok) again.

[Andrius]

So yeah. I was glad to see Yos still sweating me every night for a long time, but he STILL cannot spell my name right. As I said earlier, feel free to simply call me "Andy". "Kairys" works too.

So yeah.
My only gripe right now is the fact that Gurgi and SS won. Yeah, recruiting Poro was the final bit.
But in ANY OTHER CIRCUMSTANCE they would have lost, and it feels like a slap in the face *for me and xvart* is that they played like SHIT and still won just because their person was benevolent. And yes, I realize that I asked to be killed, and I do stand by that decision, prefering to lie dead with the good guys like Robo and ooba than scumbags who were blatantly obvious and shit. It just bothers me that they pretty much gave up on playing the goddamn game for THE PAST THREE DAYS and then are just HANDED a win? WTF

I'm not upset over the loss. I'm glad I died, and I saw the loss coming from the time I started the catchup post.
But Gurgi and SS's LURKLURK and unhelpfulness turned out to be an auto-win?!?
Still glad Furco got shot in the face D1.

But really? Why the hell did I have to face the wall when I got executed? Oh well.

Will come back later. The QT was a good read.

predit: I echo Poro's statement. You'd have to convince me to play with either of them again.

[Porochaz]

I dont think I played particularly well, but I dont think I did shit. I think we had different views which may not have been communicated the best with each other. After all I did call out that yos was speaking bs. etc. I think your sucking sour grapes a bit. Yes, both me and gurgi were a pain in the ass, but when we enter a game under Flay, we want to play the setup to its full potential. With some players that wasn't possible.

[ReaperCharlie]

Yeah, I admit I am a little bit about Gurgi and singersigner winning as well. Actually, not a little bit. A lot.

It doesn't make sense flavor-wise, and besides, we made a direct choice to recruit everyone else over them, so I don't see how they did anything worthy of winning at all. Really, they were some of the most instrumental pieces in town's downfall.