Reckamonic's Ocarina of Time Mafia..OVER! Was Hyrule saved?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm just going to vote whoever DTMaster is voting.

Aikage, could you be a sweatheart and bomb this one for me?

Arigatou Gozaimasu!

[Beefster]

I'm just going to vote whoever DTMaster is voting.

Why?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

EBWOP: *Sweetheart

Yes! Loving my typos <3

[Ythan]

Noise. I'm just gonna read isos before they get too long.

[Kdub]

ok dram pm'd me and i feel relly dumb. it turns out that when we are voting and posting is called 'day' and that is when i'm supposed to give my inventiosn to people...

he told me that the ones i had sent in at night didnt do anything so far. he said at night i look for what my inventions do and thats all i can do at night.

so i should use my invention today before we lynch someone. since everyone is calling me newb and calling me stupid, though i agree i cant believe i didnt realize the difference between night and day actions, im leavin it up to you to cecide who i give it to. and then tht night ill find out which one i gave away and what it does do.

i still say akr or mothrax should get my invention in case it is a goron bomb and kills them still.

This is dumb. You want to give an invention to certain people because it might kill them, but you just said that your earlier actions did not count. That means

you didn't kill Fate

. If your role truly is pro-town, it's more than likely you will give your target some beneficial power. I think you need to give an invention to someone you think is town, then have them confirm that they received it. I had just realized that they won't receive it until twilight, but that still allows them to confirm it tomorrow.

[DTMaster]

1. DGB: Hun, you're not the DGB that I know. WHERE IS THE PASSION to TRAP SCUM IN EPIC GAMBITS :V.

2. Beefster:

a. Here's a thought

since when did BE had to use redirection?

. Do you know what a compulsive vig is? It means that BE had to use his vig powers or it'll be done automatically. Basically unless he uses it, it does an auto kill.

Do you know what else? That means that his vote steal and redirection probably aren't auto actions so beefster would have to input it manually. They don't have the compulsive tag attached to them.
Do you know what else? Beefster might have used his redirection powers and we don't know it because we don't have a full action claim. You know what else in a game of non-vanillias, Beefster could gave redirected people for the first night (or days) and we wouldn't know it unless we claimed it.

I'll believe you if, I mean IF WE HAVE A MAFIA SCREW BALL FLIP (that's the role that changes the flips) or some derivative of that.

In this non-bastard game. That Dram/Reck said it was. Lolz.

b. It also works as a vote shifter (and can be applied to it - Ozmodar shifter). Also I got mod confirmed information about it in thread when Dram/Reck said that role wouldn't be explicit when flipped (at least in the role: Ozmodar shifter).

c. Beefster

you fucking agree with me after Aikage claimed

. Oh wait you know why? I did a Post by Post analysis on Aikage to determine his motive. You when: NO U I NEED A CLAIM. When the claim came around you shut up and when pressed on it you went: I AGREE WITH U K!

You see why I have an issue with you? You're not scum hunting. Right now you freaked out there's a shift still because I pointed out a redirector redirects A TARGET'S ACTIONs and not on a WHOLE WIDE PLAYER LIST.

Beefster why aren't you doing the things: Scum read. Case. Vote. Beefster is still a superior wagon.

d. This point you missed:

2. As much as I HATE BEEF for the lack of Aikage comments, and I had to do all the bloody work pre/post claim in regards to the Aikage case, the nameloc thing reads as town brownie points.

It bothers me that Beef didn't try this earlier today when I mentioned Nameloc/Senfans would be a danger to the town . The timing of my attack to the sudden shift to "lets try and get rid of Nameloc votes" is terrible in my opinion. It's like a giant smoke screen.

However I do dislike some members of the wagon on Beef and find them increasingly more scummy then Beef "cough" AKR "cough".

You're not off the hook Beef. You were adamant about this claim that you didn't finish the job in finalizing your case analysis. You are using my work and saying: Everything is done. I had to ask you what your view was to get the: everything is said quote and even then you don't even weigh in on Aikage's alignment. .

How you handled the case, and the transition to "stop the Nameloc votes" is terrible. Awful. You didn't show a care in the world for 3 whole days, nor did you show a care about Nameloc/Senfans till now.

All I read is someone who's fishing for townie points now.

[DTMaster]

Ihmo Kdub: Aikage's invention will go haywire and be shifted. I'd rather have Aikage give an invention and then the person who received claim it if you really, really want to role confirm him

Then Beefster can try and get rid of Senfan's self votes since we know the shift on the first try.

Then lynch a scum case.

"glares at AKR"

[DTMaster]

Also a DGB sheep is scary. A DGB rabid wolf pack leader is what I expect.

[Kdub]

Ihmo Kdub: Aikage's invention will go haywire and be shifted. I'd rather have Aikage give an invention and then the person who received claim it if you really, really want to role confirm him

That is what I just suggested. Since the person doesn't receive the invention until twilight, they won't be able to confirm until tomorrow though.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also a DGB sheep is scary. A DGB rabid wolf pack leader is what I expect.

DGB is gambitting. Wait for it...

[Beefster]

Ihmo Kdub: Aikage's invention will go haywire and be shifted. I'd rather have Aikage give an invention and then the person who received claim it if you really, really want to role confirm him

Then Beefster can try and get rid of Senfan's self votes since we know the shift on the first try.

Then lynch a scum case.

"glares at AKR"

So You don't think I'm scum?

[DrippingGoofball]

Also a DGB sheep is scary. A DGB rabid wolf pack leader is what I expect.

Some games leave little room for me to lead, for instance, games that feature both Fate and I.

And I sure can't dazzle anyone with my canny interpretation of flavor stuff; I know nothing of the flavor and need to rely on others.

[Beefster]

d. This point you missed:

2. As much as I HATE BEEF for the lack of Aikage comments, and I had to do all the bloody work pre/post claim in regards to the Aikage case, the nameloc thing reads as town brownie points.

It bothers me that Beef didn't try this earlier today when I mentioned Nameloc/Senfans would be a danger to the town . The timing of my attack to the sudden shift to "lets try and get rid of Nameloc votes" is terrible in my opinion. It's like a giant smoke screen.

However I do dislike some members of the wagon on Beef and find them increasingly more scummy then Beef "cough" AKR "cough".

You're not off the hook Beef. You were adamant about this claim that you didn't finish the job in finalizing your case analysis. You are using my work and saying: Everything is done. I had to ask you what your view was to get the: everything is said quote and even then you don't even weigh in on Aikage's alignment. .

How you handled the case, and the transition to "stop the Nameloc votes" is terrible. Awful. You didn't show a care in the world for 3 whole days, nor did you show a care about Nameloc/Senfans till now.

All I read is someone who's fishing for townie points now.

How am I supposed to respond to this. You never asked any questions, and it's pretty much just your opinion. I see where you're coming from and why it looks scummy. I'm not really gonna argue because it makes sense to me. You can suspect me all you want.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also a DGB sheep is scary. A DGB rabid wolf pack leader is what I expect.

Some games leave little room for me to lead, for instance, games that feature both Fate and I.

And I sure can't dazzle anyone with my canny interpretation of flavor stuff; I know nothing of the flavor and need to rely on others.

So wait, let me get this straight.

You cannot help lead our town because:

1)Fate is in the game
2) You don't know the flavor

Just a few points about this.

Firstly,

FATE IS DEAD.

Not sure how much more clear I can get about that. So, for my benefit, and for anyone else who is interested, please reiterate why you can't play to your normal meta (which apparently is good? Your reputation is preceding you a bit here) because Fate is in this game,

when Fate died Night 1, and you replaced in D2?

By this fact, it becomes obvious to me that

Fate, as a player, should have no effect on how you perform in this game.

Secondly, I agree flavor knowledge is good. It's always nice to know a little about the story the game is based off of, so you can make inferences. However, this does not limit you to being bound by flavor knowledge.

There are other ways of finding scum, than relying on flavor.

As a matter of fact, it's been re-iterated to me several times NOT to rely on flavor knowledge. But you already knew this. Again, if your reputation is as good as people in this thread are saying it is, you would have no problems scum hunting in this game.

So again, here are some questions I want to ask you:

Why does a dead Fate affect your ability to play in this game, when you have never come into contact with him in this game?

Why does flavor knowledge limit you so much, to the point that you can only sheep others (by self-admission)?

I won't do anything until I hear these answers, but for now

FoS:DGB

[DrippingGoofball]

1)Fate is in the game

No, I listed him as an

example

. That's why I used the qualifier "FOR INSTANCE." That's to prepare you for the upcoming statement serving as an EXAMPLE only. I never "dominate" in games he's in. He tends to out-multiple-post me. In this game, multiple players are combining to have a similar effect. I expect a player like ABR to dominate, too, but in this game, he's not. Each game has its own rhythm and balance in which we try to fit in.

2) You don't know the flavor

I have nothing to bring to the table, role-wise. I'm 45. I don't play ANY video games, it's all rubbish to me. I can hear other players' arguments and make decisions based on credibility.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So you can't scum hunt based on other things outside of flavor?

Is that what you are saying?

[Reckamonic]

Hey guys... psst... deadline is tomorrow night...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@ Mod: Requesting a deadline extension if at all possible

[Reckamonic]

We see no reason to extend the deadline - replacements have been minimal, prods have been rarely needed, and none of the replacements were done close to deadline. We will talk further about it, but I wouldn't expect any grace from us today -_-

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Understandable.

[DTMaster]

1. Beef: No I think your case is still valid. You are a scum read / conflicted scum read to me. However you are ability proven. Think of it like this:

If an SK was caught I would advocate to keep an SK alive and direct his kills. If he fails to follow the town, instant lynch. It's not the exact case with you. If you are town you would agree since having 5 self votes is bad. If you are scum and refuse or do anything to disrupt it, then you'll be caught and be instantly hung. FYI: You're ability proven, that much is true.

You were saying that you would remove the self votes. But after you found the shift you stopped your rolling attacks in addition to the points I drew earlier. You could try and do blind luck, even just find the shift.

See how you teeter-toter like you're trying to help the town, but you don't do anything? Yeah, hardly town. AKR is a stronger scum read at the moment. You're still scummy.

I'd lynch both of you.

2. Beef: You can respond as a defense. If you agree with what I post, then you understand why I find you scummy. If you understand why I find you scummy. Then you know that your case is valid. Or you know, could do what I said and post a scum case. You haven't been scum hunting. All you've been doing is "AIKAGE CLAIM. URP DERP DTM SAID EVERYTHING POST CLAIM. ROLL ATTACK TO STOP THE SELF VOTES. UP DERP SHIFT. ATTACK DTM SINCE HE LOOKS LIKE HE KNOWS TOO MUCH. HERP DERP. I AGREE WITH HIM."

I've been pressuring you to see if you would grow a pair and scum hunt. But you haven't. I could care less on who you moved on since I was looking for some effort in scum hunting. If you're not willing to do that, then you can't be town. Scum coasts. Town when they reach a road block look over their notes/do rereads.

3. Kdub: Actually that means Beefster is the only real time solution to determine the shift. Either way, Aikage should try to give someone an invention.

4. Town: Decide nao. AKR is my choice. I'd swing to a Beef wagon (ihmo since I started it), but AKR is actively ignoring me. Beefster actually responded to me. I'm willing to look further on the Beef case tomorrow. AKR needs to hang. Beef needs to hang.

They both need to hang. This will set off weirdness in the VC analysis (since AKR finds Beefster scum) since both players to me are scum. Classic case of one scum sheeping the leading wagon, and it happens to be another scum.

5. I would really like a deadline extension :<. Our votes are all over the place. If it looks like the AKR wagon doesn't take off later tonight I'll go back to my original case.

I have doubts and require time for my paranoia to settle down.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Let's lynch KOC.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'd be up for an AKR, KOC, DGB lynch.

Leaning away from the Beefster lynch. I was ready to let Aikage swing from the gallows for his lack of a claim too... I find it to be a very null read.

[Bunnylover]

Unvote

With the shift still alive, Beefster can still help us determine it which in turn will help Aikage direct who he actually want to gain his invention.
I would be willing to lynch DGB. KOC and AKR, I haven't seen what people are finding scummy about them, but I may have just missed/forgotten what people have said about them.

Vote DBG

[Kdub]

Mod: Vote count please

Based on the general sentiments of people at the moment, these are the viable lynches given that the deadline is less than a day away: Aikage, Beefster, AKR, DGB, KoC. Of those players, there are less complications involved with Aikage and Beefster since they have claimed already. If we wagon someone else, I don't think there is time to get a claim, analyze it, and then possibly switch to an alternate lynch before the deadline. Beefster is the player I am most willing to lynch among those five anyway, so I'll put my vote there.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Beefster

I would be willing to lynch DGB. KOC and AKR, I haven't seen what people are finding scummy about them, but I may have just missed/forgotten what people have said about them.

Can we please not let Bunny live past tomorrow?