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Post Post #3700 (ISO) » Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:42 am

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Benmage - why would you take Mutilation over Compulsion?
Baby Spice, 3654 wrote:Hito, why did you wait before anouncing who you stalked? I can see no good reason for it.
He was told not to. You were probably too tunneled on saving your Cult self that you missed it (or cared not to bring it up) in your frantic attempt to save yourself.
Seacore, 3667 wrote:He got passed a fetish when I did, and I think he was on the stalk list?
The certainty of him being a passed a fetish and the uncertainty of him being on the stalker list is unsettling to me.
Baby Spice, 3673 wrote:Xvart wasn't confirmed. Hell, still isn't.


Since we don't know who LB actually stalked, or for sure that LB stalked, Xvart could right now be a murderer.
The 'clearance' was a comune by someone that Xvart has called scum.

If it was by scum, then Xvart has to be considered a murderer.

If the comune result was wrong, from being faked then Xvart would know it was by scum, hence him calling the comuner scum.

Seriously, did the cult kill the only brains in this game when they took out Wickedest?

We have one probable murderer sneaking into a winning position and one likely murderer lieing about insanities and people are falling for a stupid Winey cult set up.

Way this is going I should have cowered. No-one would be hassling me then.
Another grasping attempt. Triglav communed me at which point I had no insanities and they didn't either so I couldn't have possibly stalked and killed Lost Butterfly. And what do you mean I called the communer scum? You mean Triglav? But wasn't that prior to their commune of me? The evidence here is that she is trying to delay her lynch by going after Murderers because she doesn't want to bus a partner instead (like SpyreX was probably doing with Plum).
Iecerint, 3990 wrote:I almost stalked someone else, but I switched to BS at the last minute. :(
Why did you switch to Baby Spice? I'm not asking for any information about your other target because I don't want the Cult to know who you are likely to target next time.
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Post Post #3701 (ISO) » Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:46 am

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Why didn't Andrius just taboo his occult books?
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Post Post #3702 (ISO) » Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:49 am

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xvart wrote:Benmage - why would you take Mutilation over Compulsion?
So I show up bloody.... Big deal..I'm not killing 3 people this game :lol: :lol: :lol: . Compulsion would force me into doing a night action I might not want to do...although I doubt I could get bloody at this point. Noone should be resuscitating me....So I suppose Compulsion will be a logical future pick.
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Post Post #3703 (ISO) » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:01 pm

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@Baby Spice: please claim all your night actions.

@Feysal: Why did you commune me?

Methinks that all the people who claimed failed stalks need to stalk again, you know, to prove they actually have the ability to stalk and are not just pretending to have failed.
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Post Post #3704 (ISO) » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:02 pm

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Why the hell wouldn't I check Xvart for blood. I'm the one who pointed out that he could currently be a murderer and that he should be forced to launder/grave rob!

DOESN"T ANYONE FIND IT STRANGE THAT AS SOON AS I QUESTION BENMAGE ABOUT AN INSANITY INFRACTION OOH LOOK I"M SCUM FOR BEING WARDED???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

THAT"S WHY I ASKED WHY HE WAITED FOR GODS SAKE.

THE timing screamed suspicious with LOTS OF CAPITAL SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!

It's bloody Strangercoug's game all over again.
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Post Post #3705 (ISO) » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:05 pm

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Umm...Benmage, have you even murdered anyone yet?
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Post Post #3706 (ISO) » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:06 pm

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Benmage wrote:Why didn't Andrius just taboo his occult books?
That was Trilo's point yesterday, and I think the conclusion was either scum or idiot. We shall see. I'm interested to know what about Andrius' night claim is piquing Iec's interest though today because I don't recall (though I could be wrong) him saying anything yesterday about the Taboo business. If Andrius is town, seems like breaking his books was a protown move to prevent himself from racking up insanities.
totallynotmafia wrote:Methinks that all the people who claimed failed stalks need to stalk again, you know, to prove they actually have the ability to stalk and are not just pretending to have failed.
More scum points for this guy! Out of curiosity, who do you think is faking a stalk?

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Post Post #3707 (ISO) » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:06 pm

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totallynotmafia wrote:@Baby Spice: please claim all your night actions.
I already have claimed everything by now but to put it all in one place.

Ward MoI
Search Forensics kit.
Search books. (I was going to stalk Furc but a couple of hours before the action deadline, something like 3am local, I decided not too and just put down an action)
Communed Furcolow (Didn't expect Xvart to go through with the kill since he said he wouldn't)
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Post Post #3708 (ISO) » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:15 pm

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Do I really need to explain that VP? Seacore and Iecrint could be lying about stalking BS because they already knew hito's stalk on BS failed, and you could be lying about having a failed stalk on Nic. Nothing to worry about if you guys are investigators because all you have to do is stalk again.
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Post Post #3709 (ISO) » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:20 pm

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btw VP Baltar, you're gonna have to explain your reasons for thinking I'm scum.
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Post Post #3710 (ISO) » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:29 pm

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totallynotmafia wrote:Do I really need to explain that VP? Seacore and Iecrint could be lying about stalking BS because they already knew hito's stalk on BS failed, and you could be lying about having a failed stalk on Nic. Nothing to worry about if you guys are investigators because all you have to do is stalk again.
Or you're scum trying to force the insanities up on town members and you'll just ward targets tonight to ensure failure. I don't necessarily mind stalking again, but with four insanities already, it's certainly not my preferred night action if scum just decide to ward their members. As far as why I think you're scum, I think you're playing the game from the sidelines just like players like Baby Spice have been.
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Post Post #3711 (ISO) » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:59 pm

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Umm...assuming scum are warding their members then what's the negative with that? We seem to have caught Baby Spice and if you say we have caught Nic as well then that doesn't seem like a waste at all to me. And having confirmed players is worth them getting a few insanities if you ask me. I'm extremely wary of those players who say they are going to stalk and then don't - obviously, because cult can't stalk. I highly suggest you guys stalk again tonight, especially you VP, seeing as having you confirmed would help with knowing what to do with Nic.
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Post Post #3712 (ISO) » Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:13 pm

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Iecerint #3694 wrote:Wait, so both BS *and* Nicky were warded?
We're still waiting for some claims, but I guess I can post what I noticed earlier. There may have been more than two wards last night.

Consider that in addition to Baby Spice and Nicodemus, Andrius and Plum were also on the list of people to stalk. They should not have been warded or resuscitated by town, and no one has claimed to have investigated them either. Yet all four of them heard noise. Either Andrius or Plum may have been stalked by Wraith, but that leaves the other noise unexplained. My best guess is that Andrius or Plum was also warded, maybe both of them.

I doubt the cult would ward only their own members, that would be too easy. They would also ward townies to set them up for mislynch. Also, since you cannot ward if you were warded, the number of people they can ward is limited. With six alive, they could ward three cultists and no townies, or two cultists and two townies, or one cultist and four townies. The fact that all grave robs succeeded despite SpyreX expecting otherwise is a good indicator that the cult warded a lot last night.

My point is that we can't simply assume everyone who was warded must be scum. What's more, if we were able to identify and lynch the scum in a group of wardees, the others would be probable town.
totallynotmafia #3703 wrote:@Feysal: Why did you commune me?
Process of elimination. I had no insanities, and there were a handful of others I could commune. AurorusVox and Plum would get insanities from grave robs. Iecerint would get one from stalking. Nachomamma8 had already been communed once. That left only you and VasudeVa, and given that VasudeVa was V/LA, I suspected he might even end up cowering. That left only you as a viable target for commune, and I thought VasudeVa was more likely town than you anyway.
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Post Post #3713 (ISO) » Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:29 pm

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Ok, I'm curious.

Hito, Seacore, Iec. Why did you choose me to stalk from that list?
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Post Post #3714 (ISO) » Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:50 pm

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totallynotmafia wrote:Umm...Benmage, have you even murdered anyone yet?
Not successfully, no...Hence me being the most awesomest town, definitely not going murderer route for I'd need 3 successful kills. I tried to kill SpyreX. Who said he was murdered attempted. Who obviously was resuscitated by a fellow cultee, and is now dead. Soo yeah, anything else?
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Post Post #3715 (ISO) » Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:01 pm

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Ah, that's right, forgot about that. Why weren't you a nominated stalker last night, then?
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Post Post #3716 (ISO) » Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:02 pm

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Benmage, 3702 wrote:
xvart wrote:Benmage - why would you take Mutilation over Compulsion?
So I show up bloody.... Big deal..I'm not killing 3 people this game :lol: :lol: :lol: . Compulsion would force me into doing a night action I might not want to do...although I doubt I could get bloody at this point. Noone should be resuscitating me....So I suppose Compulsion will be a logical future pick.
Why wouldn't we want to rez you? You are a pretty good target for Cult unless they are more worried about being stalked.
totallynotmafia, 3703 wrote:Methinks that all the people who claimed failed stalks need to stalk again, you know, to prove they actually have the ability to stalk and are not just pretending to have failed.
Then why doesn't everyone Stalk and keep Stalking until they are successful? I think it is plausible that someone that stalked Baby Spice might be lying, but to blanket statement everyone needs to reStalk without considering anything else is a little reckless.
Baby Spice, 3704 wrote:Why the hell wouldn't I check Xvart for blood. I'm the one who pointed out that he could currently be a murderer and that he should be forced to launder/grave rob!
I'm not surprised someone tooled me. Someone even said it had to be done.
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totallynotmafia wrote:Umm...Benmage, have you even murdered anyone yet?
Not successfully, no...Hence me being the most awesomest town, definitely not going murderer route for I'd need 3 successful kills. I tried to kill SpyreX. Who said he was murdered attempted. Who obviously was resuscitated by a fellow cultee, and is now dead. Soo yeah, anything else?
Not true. You attempted to Murder and were successful, and it counts towards the Murder condition. I even asked about it earlier to which Percy responded here. I guess his clarification could only refer to the second attempted Murder but I think it is logical to assume that the first one counts as well.

So if that is true it is plausible that you could be trying to sneak another kill in the midst of the sanctioned killing.
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Post Post #3717 (ISO) » Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:13 pm

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totallynotmafia wrote:Ah, that's right, forgot about that. Why weren't you a nominated stalker last night, then?
Because the second time you choose the Murder you automatically become a Murderer. So. It would be pointless for Ben to Stalk and counterproductive to boot.

Uh yeah, and Andrius? You Communed someone you knew to have more Insanities than you? Because . . . ?

Right, business is BS today, good job Stalkers.
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Post Post #3718 (ISO) » Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:16 pm

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Yes Xvart. One only needs to attempt to murder twice regardless of the outcome to BECOME a murderer. But in order to WIN as a murderer you must SUCCESSFULLY kill 3 times. Therefore seeing as I have 0 SUCCESSFUL kills...there's no way in hell I can WIN as a murderer, and therefore it would be THEDUMBESTTHINGEVERFORMETONOWGOMURDERER.
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Post Post #3719 (ISO) » Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:19 pm

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xvart wrote:
Benmage, 3702 wrote:
xvart wrote:Benmage - why would you take Mutilation over Compulsion?
So I show up bloody.... Big deal..I'm not killing 3 people this game :lol: :lol: :lol: . Compulsion would force me into doing a night action I might not want to do...although I doubt I could get bloody at this point. Noone should be resuscitating me....So I suppose Compulsion will be a logical future pick.
Why wouldn't we want to rez you? You are a pretty good target for Cult unless they are more worried about being stalked.
Because I have suicidal as an insanity and am therefore a liability...Furthermore last night I chose the insanity marked...SO NOONE SHOULD EVER RESUSCITATE ME.
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Post Post #3720 (ISO) » Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:03 pm

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Ah okay, I didn't know that...so it only takes two murder choices to become a murderer, but three successful murders to win as a murderer?

Anyway, I was getting at the fact that BM is not confirmed investigator as it's still possible that he and SpyreX faked the whole murder thing (due to pressure on BM to actually go through with a stalk), but I'd have to say this is a lot less likely than the case in which BM is investigator. So yeah i was going to suggest BM stalk again but I guess we can't do that without him becoming a murderer.
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Post Post #3721 (ISO) » Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:31 pm

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TNM,
feel free to stalk and kill me.
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Post Post #3722 (ISO) » Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:38 pm

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Andy just used Commune on a player known to have more insanities than him (Benmage). This is dumb and wrong and lynchable at best; at worst, it also explains away an extra insanity.

Did he do that for some reason I forgot about?
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Post Post #3723 (ISO) » Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:40 pm

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Iecerint wrote:Did he do that for some reason I forgot about?
Because he was stuck on that night action due to obsession. Although i don't see why he couldn't have used it on someone else (done something potentially useful)....gotten the extra insanity, but than BAM taboo and all fixed.
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Post Post #3724 (ISO) » Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:42 pm

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@ Feysal's -- One consideration is that we know that:

A) At least 1 cult was already dead (SX)
B) Ritual occurred

So that sets an upper bound on how many free cultists had the opportunity to Ward players.

@ BS's -- I was going to stalk another player at first, but I switched to you because I thought I was less likely to double-up with a stalk on you than on the other player. <_<

@ Benmage -- Ah. Hmm. Well. Hmm. Is there a reason that hasn't already made him too dumb to live, or what?
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