Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[xvart]

Yes Xvart. One only needs to attempt to murder twice regardless of the outcome to BECOME a murderer. But in order to WIN as a murderer you must SUCCESSFULLY kill 3 times. Therefore seeing as I have 0 SUCCESSFUL kills...there's no way in hell I can WIN as a murderer, and therefore it would be THEDUMBESTTHINGEVERFORMETONOWGOMURDERER.

Ahhhh... I forgot about the three successful kills part. I get you now.

So XVART, you Rob Grave Wraith instead of me aiiiiight?

Sure.

Xvart defended himself by saying Triglav communed him. This is not correct. Nontheless Andrius claimed an Xvart commune, at a point when he should have only had one insanity. Xvart couldn't have murdered Lost Butterfly unless he had at least 2 insanities at that point in the game.

Yes, it was Andy. Sorry for that mixup, but you are right, the point still stands.

If Andy is being placed on scum lists, how in hell can his comune of Xvart be trusted?

If Andy does flip Cult then I suppose it really can't, but you are still negating MoI's unexplained and unclaimed insanities and Lost Butterfly's death.

Actually, Baby Spice, the pertinent question is what do you think happened last night which prevented the stalks on you? Kind of surprised you haven't addressed this at all yet.

This is a good question.

[Baby Spice]

No, the pertinant question is why are people letting benmage slide on several days of lieing about what insanities he took.

Xvart, I addressed the MoI and LB point around when I first raised the probability that you are a murderer.

MoI dbl stalked due to being blocked by a ward and you killed LB.

[Seacore]

BS,

Let's say that you're right, most of us think that the GM is letting it slide, since Benmage met 'most' of the requirements, but lets say that you're right.

Benmage cannot be a murderer, or even if he is a murderer, he cannot win until day 11 or something.
So the only risk is that Benmage is cult. Which is really bloody unlikely.

[totallynotmafia]

Well, that settles it, Baby Spice has got to be scum. If she were an investigator, given that it's pretty unlikely that all three of her stalkers are scum, she'd be trying to warn everyone that cult were warding people on the do not ward list, as that would be the only likely explanation for what happened. Instead she's more worried about trying to shift the attention onto Benmage.

[Iecerint]

Not to mention that Benmage is a bogus person to shift attention to.

[Seacore]

Well, that settles it, Baby Spice has got to be scum. If she were an investigator, given that it's pretty unlikely that all three of her stalkers are scum,

she'd be trying to warn everyone that cult were warding people on the do not ward list,

as that would be the only likely explanation for what happened. Instead she's more worried about trying to shift the attention onto Benmage.

Why would the cult ward someone when that person would become the obvious lynch target, unless it was to cause a mis-lynch?

Hell, why would they ward someone you were going to scream at anyway?

I'm not happy with this attack by TNM.
I agree that Baby Spice is scummy, for multiple reasons, but not this one, since she's done it, and to push it any further is just more WIFOM. She's done the only sensible thing for town or scum, and that is to pursue another case.
The case that she's persuing is dumb, and makes her look more scummy, but TNM's reason here is faulty.

It feels like a bussing reason, like he was looking for a way to jump on the bandwagon without sheeping.

[Seacore]

My picks for remaining 6 scum.

Andrius
AurorusVox
Baby Spice
Nicodemus
Plum
totallynotmafia

[Nachomamma8]

[quote="VasudeVa"]

CD5

Username:

Nachomamma8

Did you Hear Noise?

Yes

Did you Ward? If so, who?

No

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions?

No.

List all of the insanities you currently have:

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who?

No.

Were you murdered?

No.

Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result?

No.

Are you bloody?

No.

Did you Stalk? If so, on who, and was it successful?

No.

Twitch?

No.

Vote: Nachomamma8

Unvote, Vote: Benmage

Unvote, Vote: Xvart

Unvote, Vote: Benmage

Unvote, Vote: Xvart

Unvote

Is there a reason why Feysal and I don't just murder one another?

[totallynotmafia]

Okay, maybe if i explain it like this:

I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that an investigator in Baby Spice's position would offer at least some explanation as to what they think happened with the failed stalks.

Why? Because they would think: "Hmm...that's strange...three people just failed to stalk me...well, surely they can't all be scum...so that must mean cult interfered....or possibly a stupid investigator warded me...or maybe they really ARE all scum...because you know one of these things has to have happened because otherwise that makes ME scum...and I'm not....so I better go into the thread and explain that one of these things must have happened you know because i want to work out who the scum are because that's the whole point of mafia"

Seeing as Baby Spice had failed to do this, I thought I'd ask her just to make sure.

Instead of answering the question, which an investigator would do, not only to defend themselves but also because they would want to know what happened in the interests of scum-hunting, she deflected it back onto Benmage.

Now, Seacore, explain to me why this isn't scummy.

[Seacore]

But Baby Spice

did

answer the question. She believes that cult warded town in an effort to create a mislynch.

I can't see any way to answer the question you asked that would be satisfactory. She's already said that she thinks the only reason cult would ward anybody on that list would be to ward town to create a mislynch. Ergo she also believes that cult would not ward cult.

To say "some town person must have warded me" would be stupid. a) town were told not to and b) we'd jump all over her saying "how did you know it was town, was it because none of your cult buddies warded you?"

And she is of course not going to accuse three of us of being cultists and lying about stalking her, especially since she heard noise.

So the only answer she could give to your question was an answer she has already given.

[totallynotmafia]

Okay, I see what you're saying, but the point is if she was an investigator and truly believed that the cult had tried to frame her she would have answered my question instead of deflecting it to Benmage.

[Baby Spice]

Do I really need to explain that VP? Seacore and Iecrint could be lying about stalking BS because they already knew hito's stalk on BS failed, and you could be lying about having a failed stalk on Nic. Nothing to worry about if you guys are investigators because all you have to do is stalk again.

he he.


Why couldn't Hito be lieing about a failed stalk on me and Seacore and Iec be telling the truth?
Why is he the one who is automatically telling the truth?
Why are you not questioning Nico?

The more I think about this the more I suspect that one of the 'town directors' must be a cultist. So I find it really strange that you question the integrity of two of them and not the third.

I find it really suspicious that you are pushing a case on me based on some silly gambit around a question that I answered.

[totallynotmafia]

Yeah i was wrong about that, I didn't include hito because he claimed the stalk first but as somebody else pointed out obviously cult would know about the ward anyway so yeah hito could be lying too.

It's not a silly gambit, it was a legitimate question that you chose not to answer, most likely because you were beginning to think that cult warding investigators who are going to be killed anyway is a stupid notion, so instead you turned it back onto Benmage (I actually don't think it's that unlikely that cult would ward investigators on the do not ward list because it prevents the stalkers from being confirmed, it does seem like an unecessary risk though for the cultists warding, which is why i think it's more likely that cultists on the do not ward list warded each other seeing as if they didn't they would die).

Has Nico even posted yet? Honestly i couldn't be arsed to worry about that until another day, seeing as you're the lynch for today and that situation would be easier to figure out what happened if VP can confirm himself, your situation is different because it's pretty unlikely that all three of your stalkers are lying.

[Baby Spice]

It's a question that had been answered before you asked it.

Oh, and Nico has posted. Right around the time I pointed out the twitchy thing.

So, are you reading the thread or just trying to appear like you are while you sheep the mis-lynch?

[totallynotmafia]

You should really go back to trying to shift the attention onto Benmage, seeing as I'll either be dead or confirmed in a couple of days.

[Nachomamma8]

CD5

Username:

Nachomamma8

Did you Hear Noise?

No

Did you Ward? If so, who?

No

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions?

No.

List all of the insanities you currently have:

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who?

No.

Were you murdered?

No.

Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result?

No.

Are you bloody?

No.

Did you Stalk? If so, on who, and was it successful?

No.

Twitch?

No.

Vote: Nachomamma8

Unvote, Vote: Benmage

Unvote, Vote: Xvart

Unvote, Vote: Benmage

Unvote, Vote: Xvart

Unvote

This time, it's actually correct.

[Triglav]

CD5

Triglav the Slow:

Did you Hear Noise?

Yes.

Did you Ward? If so, who?

No.

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions?

No.

List all of the insanities you currently have:

Twitchy.

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who?

No.

Were you murdered?

No.

Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result?

No.

Are you bloody?

No.

Did you Stalk? If so, on who, and was it successful?

No.

Twitch?

*twitch*

Vote: Triglav

<--- Replace this with your username!

Unvote, Vote: Benmage

Unvote, Vote: Xvart

Unvote, Vote: Benmage

Unvote, Vote: Xvart

Unvote

[Triglav]

I would like to raise the motion that we wait until after new year to end the day. If we have night over the christmas break we will have too much "Oh, I just didn't get to my computer, I was v/la the whole time." to handle.

Happy to see this, agree with it.
Apologies for dearth of posting today - other heads have flaked on this head, so we are now 'we' in chosen parlance only and were lax in getting to thread due to holiday rumblings.
After New Year probably a new and better Triglav (of one) will be more active and prompt on checking this account.
Choose to blame other heads, they all suck.
Yes.

Am surprised Baby Spice is scum of week. Who could have foreseen this?

Happy with that lynch.
Have noted Graverob plan and understand role in it, will prepare shovel and be ready barring word change. (also, disagree with graverob plan, but just to be different)
Nothing much else to comment on, oddly enough, today has mostly been 'wheee, Baby Spice is scummorz'
Want Nico and Plum to be hanging next.
Not sure about tnm - looks really bad today but recall in notes we thought he looked townie earlier. Am content with stabbing death plan and him for confirmation. Wouldn't mind his lynch, but prefer other two.

[Baby Spice]

Yeah i was wrong about that, I didn't include hito because he claimed the stalk first but as somebody else pointed out obviously cult would know about the ward anyway so yeah hito could be lying too.

From memory, every other time that there has been a double up of night actions it's been the person who claimed first that attracted the most suspicion. So why are you different?

My second favorite tell btw. "I'm not going to answer your questions becasue you're scum" Amazing how many scum try that.

[AurorusVox]

Nacho; any scumreads you'd care to share?

[VasudeVa]

I am only interested in obvscum Plum.

Spy's cult flip makes her 100000000000000000000000% scum. I'll be VERY surprised if she doesn't flip green.

Vote: Plum

[VP Baltar]

Leaving for my jet plane...but I can't resist asking, seriously Vas? Plum over BS at this point? Not saying Plum is town, but I don't think she looks scummier than BS.

[AurorusVox]

I think Vas should claim the hammer on BS, just so he misses the chance, again.

[VasudeVa]

Leaving for my jet plane...but I can't resist asking, seriously Vas? Plum over BS at this point? Not saying Plum is town, but I don't think she looks scummier than BS.

I don't even understand the case on BS.

Why are we looking at behavioral tells only BS over behavioral + SpyCultFlipassociative tells on Plum?

[Triglav]

I don't even understand the case on BS.

*cough*Wardedlastnight*cough*