Reckamonic's Ocarina of Time Mafia..OVER! Was Hyrule saved?

[AKnottedRope]

I was under the impression that there could have been two poe scum, but still.

I think my suspicion of you is fruitless for the time being.

[DTMaster]

AKR:
Mainly since I'm busy. I need to re-evaulate my reads since both BL and Aikage flipped scum contrary to what I thought of. The DGB case is very glaringly obvious so that needs to go down now. I'll have my thoughts about you shortly when I get home. I'm behind so I need to finish my reads on Zwet, and Mothrax from my original list.

ABR's analysis is correct and dissolves my initial suspicion to confidently place him on the town list (Ihmo it's a better representation of PM analysis in comparison to Mothraxs where he pointed out specific lines. Mothrax's analysis was more poor due to the lack of specifics since he just mentioned the flavour seemed scummy. DGB's PM analysis has a line by line break down in formating errors, most likely due to scum fake claiming.) Vezok as well. I propose that for the moment they could be added to the super bloc (i.e. Chrono/Mason Pair) and we can do Point of Order from there to lynch the unconfirmed. If the game still goes on between the 5, I would consider Vezok to be the scummiest. Then ABR/Chrono in a toss up.

But yes, my case isn't gone. Nor is my read on you AKR. I'm just paranoid that I missed something since I was proven wrong twice now and mulling things over.

Tl:dr: I require a reread because I'm paranoida about something.

[Le Cupcake]

Oh remind me, did you claim sage, mothrax?

On another note, there are most likely only 2 townies remaining outside of LLD, zwet and myself. Not exactly the most comforting scenario out there. 3-man scumteams are not a possibility imo.

[DTMaster]

For the time being I would like to half claim an ability. I have a delayed day kill (where the action occurs during the day but the kill action doesn't occur until twlight). I'll full claim upon request but I would like to propose that before a lynch occurs, we choose a secondary target.

The quick version is that

I am the Great Fairy

and

I required night actions to charge my day kill

which is best explained with a full claim

but I have other abilities that I would like to remain unclaimed for the time being unlessed pushed but also fall along the charging principle that I soft claimed above.

If things go well I believe that I can break the game using my role actions using Point of Order based on the cleared list above using my own reasons. That includes you lynching me if all 5 people listed above are alive and me the planner is still alive.

[AKnottedRope]

DTM, did you read my claim?

Also I don't want you to full claim, that's stupid.

[mothrax]

AKR:
Mainly since I'm busy. I need to re-evaulate my reads since both BL and Aikage flipped scum contrary to what I thought of. The DGB case is very glaringly obvious so that needs to go down now. I'll have my thoughts about you shortly when I get home. I'm behind so I need to finish my reads on Zwet, and Mothrax from my original list.

ABR's analysis is correct and dissolves my initial suspicion to confidently place him on the town list (Ihmo it's a better representation of PM analysis in comparison to Mothraxs where he pointed out specific lines. Mothrax's analysis was more poor due to the lack of specifics since he just mentioned the flavour seemed scummy. DGB's PM analysis has a line by line break down in formating errors, most likely due to scum fake claiming.) Vezok as well. I propose that for the moment they could be added to the super bloc (i.e. Chrono/Mason Pair) and we can do Point of Order from there to lynch the unconfirmed. If the game still goes on between the 5, I would consider Vezok to be the scummiest. Then ABR/Chrono in a toss up.

But yes, my case isn't gone. Nor is my read on you AKR. I'm just paranoid that I missed something since I was proven wrong twice now and mulling things over.
Tl:dr: I require a reread because I'm paranoida about something.

Chrono is dead, Vezok did the analysis. I said it was believable. You got your names mixed up.

[mothrax]

@cupcake Yes, I am a sage. Darunia to be exact.

[DTMaster]

AKR: At work and I missed your claim. I went oooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh.... since this explains a lot in your recent game play. I'm going to
mull over the beefster action claim (pre mature claims and gambits read as town due to your wanting to be on the wagon that Beef hit me with).

Aside from play issues, it's not a direct confirmation to your alignment (but I'd consider it) since it just role confirms you. Refer back to my debate with Ythan with this.

Your current play read conflicts with what I observe earlier. Hence why I want to mull over my thoughts. Just like with my heavy attacks on beefster I was wrong. But in your case there are nuggets of protown and antitown /scummy actions.

[DTMaster]

We should operate on worst case scenerio principles AKR. Assuming a max of 4 per team will limit careless actions when it comes to lynching.

[DTMaster]

Hey zwet what kind of miller are you?

[DTMaster]

Sorry disregard the above question. I understand why Cupcake thinks Zwet is town as soon as I reread the Monstrosity ability. It's something that I've said before, and it's shown in the cops. It's all about mirroring in the setup.

[DTMaster]

:S. Hey does anyone think DGB's investigation reads kind of like an anti-miller scum? It's.... weird considering the two town cops that flipped. I could understand maaaayyyybbbbeee a flavour/role cop. But DGB also claimed flavour cop as the same time (well Medallion seeker which based on the claims are revolved around the sages).

[DTMaster]

Errr. Investigation that she shows up with. Kind of like any investigation immune character.

[AKnottedRope]

DTM: why did you suggest vezok be part of the bloc, especially when he has been helluh lurking and scummy?

[DTMaster]

I kept a healthy amount of suspicion on both of you, since there are people saying there is one more scum in the sage group. I personally don't think boss scum would have an infiltrator thus in my eyes you were both confirmed town. I could be persuaded otherwise though. It seems you disagree.

I find this weird. Just because the mirroring and game balancing argument is counter intuitive to that. If you're arguing that there isn't boss scum, it's just as likely that there is more scum infiltrated in the neighbor group (i.e. it'll be closer to being true randomization if we see clumps of scum since clumps are here.).

Explain how you can see balance without mirroring from both factions (i.e. there is an infiltrator from both factions). PoE in neighbour scum narrows it down to either of you assuming this.

[DTMaster]

Same argument as ABR (they both are quote pulling DGB's post). We are close to PoE (point of execution) where we can create a bloc of townies (or perceived townies), and lynch the rest (I'm in this mentality). If you read above, if I'm wrong about the bloc Vezok is prime suspect then ABR.

It is possible that Vezok/ABR are scum but we caught in thread cross fire between factions. ABR is less likely since he lead the argument. Vezok is more since it's possible that due to ABR's initial arguments this lead Vezok to develop his own idea/find the slip that piggy backed ABRs. Cross check his earlier play and volia. But at the moment, I want Vezok in the bloc to narrow down any straggler scum.

We are near the end game. Blocs remove neutral reads. Neutral reads are a grey area that scum are ultra dangerous. Usually this grey area means you don't have a strong read. I don't want to carry neutral reads to lylo. So we kill the scum reads (DGB), keep your town reads (Mason), and pressure the neutral reads (i.e. Was Zwet but I understand Cupcake's mirroring idea. You're a good example of a neutral read for me due to the town/anti-town reading conflicts. I'm leading a little more town at the moment though.).

Blocing lets me define my neutral reads, and go from there.

[DTMaster]

K i'm at home time for rereads.

[AKnottedRope]

I don't want vezok in the bloc. Imho, he's a scummy choice.

[DTMaster]

AKR: You never actually answered my question about your scum hunting methods/case/thoughts on BL (even though she flipped Poe Scum) :S.

[AKnottedRope]

Thought she was scum, she reacted in a scummy fashion to LL's questions/attacks against her.

[DTMaster]

and AKR: If DGB flips Poe scum then I'd finger Vezok very likely Boss-scum just based on how the BL vote went down. He's a good shooting target though. But he has a point via DGB.

I'm going to sleep on it, but you reminded me that scum can actually scum hunt due to the multiple factions. GAAAHHHH confusion now since my reads flipped differently from what I felt.

[DTMaster]

You also assigned a null. I asked for mainly why the change. Aside from the fail Cupcake case that was legitimate since Cupcake wasn't posting in thread (and I can infer though based on the recent post, just been scum hunting in QT).

[AKnottedRope]

The flip was based on how she reacted to LL's push against her early yesterday.

[Le Cupcake]

I'm ready for D6.

The flips tonight imo will be particularly meaningful. We should be able to determine the rest of the scum through PoE tomorrow.

[AKnottedRope]

:sigh:

There's a ton more discussion that needs to take place. A lot of questions need to be answered before there's a lynch.