The Return to Liten (Game Over)

[chesskid3]

I will join the almaster one, though.

Vote: Almaster

[AlmasterGM]

magna, all your arguments reduce to, "your scumhunting is bad (you aren't doing it, you are doing it on the wrong people, yada yada)."

so, your metric for determining scumminess is very clealy: scumhunting.

NOWWWW explain to me how chesskid is NOT scummier than me in that respect. he doesn't scumhunt at all, he just chucks names around, and when you interrogate him on the issue he is totally non-responsive and just agrees to die. Explain. That. To. Me.

You're probably going to come back her and give me some meta bs about chesskid being a VI, but that's total crap in a game where we have THREE SCUM DOWN and plenty of wiggle room. this is VI/possible scum killin' time, not "wow somebody is questioning my towniness, they must be scum, let me powertrip on them" time.

Not to mention that even if you take the comparative issue out of the frame, your arguments are terrible. They are all based on superficial vacuum tells and don't analyze large-scale scum strategy or motivation at all.

I bus SO out of the blue but not my obv-gonna-die-partner HH ... what?
I'm "pushing" your lynch, but I've been voting chesskid for the past two days and have never even voted for you EVER... what?
I'm not scumhunting even though I have been grilling slaxx AKA CHESSID BEFORE IT WAS VI-CHESSKID for a while and have done plenty of other analysis ... what?
Weak appeal to VI-meta ... what?

BADCASE IS BAD. I want a chesskid scum flip sooo bad right now because if we are in 5-man scum team, those red little arrows are all gonna light up and point right at you.

[AlmasterGM]

This needs a separate post because it's what gets me the most:

Horrible push for the last two days against me based on gut? Check

PAR-A-NOID SCUM IS PARANOID. I never voted for you once. I've hardly even talked about you. I have been zoning the fuck in on chesskid's slot for 2 days now, but no, I'm not pushing for his lynch...I'm pushing for YOURS.

WUT.

This reeeeeeeeks of MoI-scum squirming that he might have ANY dirt on him whatsoever. And so he concocted the case on me as a giant OMGUS distractor.

I still want to lynch chesskid, though, because he is the correct lynch for today END OF STORY.

[Thor665]

Ok, back from the massive holiday crush on my free time. I’ll be updating my VC analysis in the next week (give or take) so that Thor can continue to be lazy.
Huzzah.

Seems obvious he'd do a 'whelp, I'mma boned' post when he felt it. The problem with your conclusion is it precludes the possibility the scum buddy was bussing him earlier. Of course, we could still be looking at two buddies at this stage (4-5 scum, the scum team has apparently been full of PRs as compared to town so it might just be 4, but with lack of an SK 5 seems equally likely to my mind) so there could be an earlier and later bus.

Here’s a question Thor – why in this analysis of where the remaining scum were does the possibility that they didn’t vote for Hacker not enter the equation?

Okay, two problems with his logic (and, honestly, probably more if we were both smarter). I disagreed with the logic, I never claimed total brilliance in everything that was wrong with it. I do think it's reasonable to expect a scum on that HH bus though I'll agree it's not an absolute and it's even worse to presume brilliance in knowing where on the bus they were.

@AGM - how do you feel about the relative power levels of scum team PRs vs. Town PRs with MoI as scum and as claimed town role?

[Thor665]

Slight quote fail - the Huzzah is mine, as gawd intended.

[camn]

i.e. anyone who is not Furry CES or me.
because you two are town

This is the read you agree with, furry? THIS?
Goddamn buddying works every time .

Although I would rather counterwagon Thor right now... I am willing to put some weight behind MoI's play... But not till I sober up.
(read: Tomorrow if you are lucky. Otherwise January)

[Furry]

i.e. anyone who is not Furry CES or me.
because you two are town

This is the read you agree with, furry? THIS?
Goddamn buddying works every time .

Well this CES is town part I agree with.

Also who doesnt like a nice ego rub? My ego is comprable to Kanye West's. Without daily attention it will starve.

Also I still say you, CES and maybe even MoI/Thor are town here. CES is going to be town unless APC essentially said "screw you im going over your head to neighborize HH". No way scum pushes for scum to join group

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Vote: Furry

, still my top suspect. I'll be more active when I get back to civilisation (i.e. Sunday or Monday).

[chesskid3]

Vote: Furry

, still my top suspect. I'll be more active when I get back to civilisation (i.e. Sunday or Monday).

goddamnit what the hell is this

[chesskid3]

also, did i misunderstand or was Almaster's defense that he has been tunneling on this slot for the last 3 days?

[SaintKerrigan]

The mod is going V/LA from now until Sunday (meaning I won't post until Monday). I'm also going to declare that period of time prod-free due to the holiday. (In other words, no one gets prodded over New Years, and the prod counter is reset on Monday).

Happy New Year, everyone!

[SaintKerrigan]

Near the wreckage of the

Silver Ducky

Non-colonized Sector 1, UTP Planet Liten, Tynnfred System
December 5th, 2486 SC (Day 5, Month 15 LC)
0403 hours SST (0019 hours LLT3)

Furry ambled across the hardened snow, practically dragging her right foot behind her. The wreckage wasn't far off, but the likelihood of the leg holding out the whole way was unlikely--

"Ho!" Chuck's voice called.

Furry turned her head right and saw the man himself. "Oh, hey! Looks like I'm not the only survivor after all!"

Chuck chuckled. "We're a tough bunch, man, we can live through shit like this." He looked at her right leg. "Ooh, that don't look so good."

Furry shook her head. "Landed the wrong way, I--" She hissed loudly. "Damn, that hurts!"

"Hmm. Fastest way to the wreckage is for me to carry you, methinks. What do you prefer, two-armed or shoulder style?"

Furry smirked. "You pick."

A few moments later, Chuck held Furry in his arms, his left arm on her rump, and his right just below her shoulders. "You sure you can handle my weight?" Furry inquired.

"Pshaw, I once carried the slug for a mass driver," Chuck responded. "You're at least ten kilos lighter and have a better personality to boot!"

She laughed. "All right, Mr. Atlas, let's get moving."

Chuck began trotting across the snow, his movement smooth with little jostling. For a moment, both of them were silent.

Then Furry spoke, "I've been meaning to ask...how'd you guys find out that Black Cat was an Arkon?"

"Well...it has mostly to do with me, actually. See, Jezzy put Black Cat and I on sniper duty, but after we cleared the outside threats and the others went inside, she tried to snipe me." Chuck grinned. "She didn't count on me dropping my battery while I was reloading, though, and thus me dropping my head out of her line of fire.

"Anyway, she missed, I whirled around and shot her quick, and then she died and went Arkon. That's pretty much it."

Furry snicked. "Oh, c'mon, you can spin a better yarn than that! Let's try that again, but with

passion

!"

"Oh, really?" With a laugh, Chuck continued, "Let's see...so there I was, crouched behind a massive boulder, having just ruthlessly exterminated some motherfucking Arkons..."

Vote Count 5.2

(2) chesskid3: AlmasterGM, camn
(2) AlmasterGM: MagnaofIllusion, chesskid3
(1) Furry: Cogito Ergo Sum

Not Voting: Thor665, Furry

With seven players alive, it takes four votes to lynch.
The deadline is on

Monday, January 10th, 2011 at 2:00 p.m. CST.

(Note the time change to several hours later than the previous deadline.)

[AlmasterGM]

@AGM - how do you feel about the relative power levels of scum team PRs vs. Town PRs with MoI as scum and as claimed town role?

I don't think it matters. Commutor isn't that strong of the role. The town and the scum both have enough PRs that it's existance or non-existance would have neglible impact on setup balance.

also, did i misunderstand or was Almaster's defense that he has been tunneling on this slot for the last 3 days?

NO, you didn't misunderstand me. Your slot is the scummiest by a million billion miles. Nobody else even comes remotely close. It is the correct lynch no matter what game theory angle you look at it with. I will not rest until it burns in a giant fire. And THEN we can look at everything else.

[camn]

also, did i misunderstand or was Almaster's defense that he has been tunneling on this slot for the last 3 days?

NO, you didn't misunderstand me. Your slot is the scummiest by a million billion miles. Nobody else even comes remotely close. It is the correct lynch no matter what game theory angle you look at it with. I will not rest until it burns in a giant fire. And THEN we can look at everything else.

Truer words have rarely been spoken.

[Furry]

OH YEAH

AGM claimed commuter, dur. Three counters to the vig on one scumteam? Unlikely. Even more unlikely is a doctor and self-protector on same scumteam.

vote chesskid

[chesskid3]

so then when I flip town AGM answers for tunnelling on a town slot for most of the game, right?

[camn]

Actually, given your play... Probably not at all.
There is no reason any thinking person would think you are town based on your play.

Anyone... Scum, town or third party.... Anyone could push your lynch and suffer nothing if you flipped town.
That is the tragedy of your playstyle.

In fact, anyone who defends a play like you when you are town.. They are actually more likely scum or investigative roles... Because role-info is the only sane way to decide your alignment.

Does that make sense?

That's why this playstyle (I call it early-Zwet) is so anti town. .. Which is scummy.

[chesskid3]

hmm except according to self-proclaimed him, he was after slaxxx as well?
who from a quick ISO was on a bunch of scum lynches?

[Thor665]

AGM claimed commuter, dur. Three counters to the vig on one scumteam? Unlikely. Even more unlikely is a doctor and self-protector on same scumteam.

Though didn't MoI claim last or next to last? That's a pretty safe point to fakeclaim. How do you feel about MoI's role considering there were three other doctors in the game - isn't that a bit heavy on the protection side?

[Furry]

AGM claimed commuter, dur. Three counters to the vig on one scumteam? Unlikely. Even more unlikely is a doctor and self-protector on same scumteam.

Though didn't MoI claim last or next to last? That's a pretty safe point to fakeclaim. How do you feel about MoI's role considering there were three other doctors in the game - isn't that a bit heavy on the protection side?

Would be a wierd role to fakelcaim that late. Also one of the protective roles was scum, and RBer is a half-protector. Commute is weak-protect at best. Only way I see that claim as scum is if it was a complete fakeclaim, and when everyone is claiming VT, scum like to follow suit, especially given how many dead apparent roles we have.

[AlmasterGM]

AGM claimed commuter, dur.

That was MoI. I'm VT.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

If he had previously prepared a Commuter fake claim, keeping it would be simpler due to needing flavour, Furry. I tend to think the commuter claim is a null tell here.

P.S. I'm back!

[SaintKerrigan]

The mod if now back. Prod timer begins as of 11:00 a.m. CST today. (And so too does the flavor catchup...)

[chesskid3]

proddodge

[Thor665]

Greetings,

V/LA till Friday

I apologize for the slow in activity but I am horribly sick at the moment. I'm obligated to be human again by Thursday due to work requirements but will probably spend most of it and Friday trying to catch back up with myself. I should be back to regular posting Friday evening. Apologies - I'm not enough in my right head to even want to try to read the last few posts I missed.

See you all Friday.
Thor.