Stars Aligned III - The Tenth Day

[Andrius]

Well, Iecerint.
Seacore was ATTACKED, and REZZ'D, so that is why he is BLOODY.

[totallynotmafia]

If scum want to hammer and out themselves, they're more than welcome to do so.

[Benmage]

As long as I keep my target to myself that significantly reduces the chances of cult interfering with my confirmingness.

Incorrect. Cult know where all the "noises" are because they're making them, or we're claiming them. They'll know to rezz or not if need be. Just like they knew I had stalked SpyreX, and knew to rezz him. You should claim.

The only way i wont be confirmed tomorrow is if I'm unlucky enough that my target is also ritualised by cult...if that happens then feel free to suspect me. Hopefully my target is cult anyway, so that that wont be happening.

Nope, pretty sure murder shows through ritual, feel free to mod confirm this.

I'm willing to lynch TNM if he refuses to claim.

[Seacore]

TNM should claim his target, absolutely.

Murder goes first, then ritual.

In other news, we shouldn't do the suicidal test until we have our night plans sorted out, just in case.

[Iecerint]

Oh. And Nicky rez'd him. I think I missed a whole page or something before.

Not sure why narrowing it down to 1/3 scum and then protecting one of them makes any sense. O.o

kk @ SC.

[totallynotmafia]

I think you're losing the plot a bit Benmage. If I'm not confirmed tomorrow - either by me solely on my own murdering my target or them being successfully rezzed when i was the only one murdering them, then you can go ahead and lynch me if you want. The odds are much more in my favour of being confirmed as things stand now, though.

[Benmage]

I think you're losing the plot a bit Benmage. If I'm not confirmed tomorrow - either by me solely on my own murdering my target or them being successfully rezzed when i was the only one murdering them, then you can go ahead and lynch me if you want. The odds are much more in my favour of being confirmed as things stand now, though.

I disagree. As does Seacore. Thats two of the strongest town players...Do you have anyone in agreementwith you?

Infact

unvote vote TNM

[totallynotmafia]

The way i understood it, from the plans back on day 1 for Benmage to go through with the kill on Fate, if someone were to be both murdered and ritualised it would show up as them being ritualised, but i'd be more than happy for it to be the other way round cos that means there's nothing standing in my way of being confirmed (apart from me being killed, that is).

[totallynotmafia]

You're clearly one of the weakest town players (or one of the gutsier cult players perhaps), if you're going to lynch someone before they even have a chance at confirming themselves.

[Benmage]

You're clearly one of the weakest town players

(or one of the gutsier cult players perhaps), if you're going to lynch someone before they even have a chance at confirming themselves.

Starting to sound like SpyreX and Baby Spice aren't we?

Lets see other than catching our only 2 scum...and being right on ElG...hrmm yeah I guess I do suck, what have you done again?

In a quick Percy skim... there is this:

The only time a

Cultist

who selects

Participate in the Ritual

avoids becoming

Bloody

is when the target of

The Ritual

dies due to a successful

Murder

attempt.

Yes, horrible quote tags...I forget if there was a more direct answer to this question..regardless you can ask. But yes Murder will show over Ritual so there is zero reason not to claim.

I am more than happy in speedlynching cult...I.E. you rather then letting you fuck with our night actions like we allowed SpyreX to do.

[totallynotmafia]

Ugh. Benmage, explain to me, if i'm cult, what the benefit is of me not revealing my successful stalk target is (or making one up or whatever)?

[Seacore]

TNM, it's quite simple. If you're cult, you wait for somebody else to die and then say "I killed him, oh, it seems somebody else did too"

alternatively you say "I tried to kill the ritual target, I guess somebody rezzed him once"

[totallynotmafia]

In which case I wont be confirmed, will I? In which case suspicion will be firmly on me. What do I gain from that if I'm cult? Tomorrow I will be either confirmed or not, regardless of whether I tell you who my target is. Revealing my target just allows cult to ritualise that person if they are town, thus putting me in the shit.

[Benmage]

Better idea, we lynch you today so cult can't stack you up on insanities.

[Andrius]

Better idea, we lynch you today so cult can't stack you up on insanities.

Is this a thought out-loud or a call for votes?

[Benmage]

Better idea, we lynch you today so cult can't stack you up on insanities.

Is this a thought out-loud or a call for votes?

A call for votes, but I wont be able to organize night actions yet.

[totallynotmafia]

Heh, now i know why Fate uses all caps.

[AurorusVox]

Xvart. Any reason you took it from "only the following 8 people vote for Kunk" --> "only the following 6 people vote for Kunk"?

What happened to poor old 7?

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TNM: Claim your target. If cult want to res and ritual them then at least YOU'RE picking their NK (on a presumably scummy player). And soaking a res kit. And we might still lynch you anyway tomorrow in that scenario, but its better you out now if you're town. Scum will very likely know who you stalked thanks to noise claims. Only scum motivations are served by not claiming. Especially when asked point-blank.

Vote: totallynotmafia

You now how to not die today.

[VP Baltar]

Why are you being so difficult TNM? Everyone else but you, including myself and others that have been plotting the town night actions all game, would like you to claim for the good of the town. I see absolutely no reason to be so difficult other than you don't want to deliver on the kill. You're right that if you don't kill tomorrow you'd look suspicious, but what choice do you really have if you're cult? You quite simply can't and you were forced by us to "stalk" last night. You'd have to fake claim today if you were cult, so you have every reason to leave it as ambiguous as possible.

I'm fine with doing the tests for suicidal eventually, but I think Seacore is correct that it's going to be a logistical nightmare to get it finished on everyone. With this many players, and how rarely some players show up to this thread, it is going to take quite awhile to accomplish it. Plus cult could stall the process further by thread dodging. Is there a better way to do this that's more efficient?

[AurorusVox]

Since you have to get all the way to L-1, I don't think there's another way. We should be able to organise it with just the active players since it needs to be a little under half the players in-game, and I think it'd be useful to start asap to trim scum ranks sooner if we can. But I get that it'll be awfully hard. Probably doing it alphabetically would work, like down from the top. Nominate however many active players and suck it up and away we go...And do it like whoever proposed the plan in that other post. That was awesome. Names and L- numbers.

[totallynotmafia]

I succesfully stalked somebody last night that nobody else has appeared to stalk.

WHICH MEANS THAT THE ONLY POSSIBLE WAY THAT I WONT BE CONFIRMED TOMORROW IS IF CULT RITUALISES MY TARGET, MEANING THAT IT WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW THAT I MURDERED THAT PERSON BECAUSE IT WILL SAY SUCH AND SUCH WAS DESTROYED BY AN UNSPEAKABLE BEING, AND EVERYONE WILL BE LIKE "YOU'RE NOT CONFIRMED COS YOU COULD BE CULT AND JUST RITUALISED THAT PERSON TO COVER UP THE FACT THAT YOU COULDN'T MURDER THEM". At least that's what I've gathered from the rules, let's take a moment to clarify this:

@MOD: If a player is targetted by both a murder and the ritual, will it say that they were murdered or destroyed by an unspeakable being?

Now, if this is the case, surely you can see that if I reveal my target, it makes it a lot easier for cult to ritualise that player, thus setting me up for a mislynch tomorrow. There is absolutely no benefit for me to not reveal my target if I'm cult. If I'm cult, there's no way i can successfully confirm myself, so I'm doomed tomorrow, in which case i'd be better to name anyone as my target and then ritualise that player, or more to the point, I would have been better to claim that my stalk was unsuccessful and say it was on benmage who was clearly warded and demanding I stalk him last night, claiming that I have made a successful stalk just makes it much harder to get away with it tomorrow.

Now, Benmage, AV, VPB, please explain why it is beneficial for town to know my target. Saying that other "town" players want me to do it is not good enough. Stop hiding behind what you think the town wants and come up with your own opinions.

And why is what I proposed for the suicidal checking method so freaking hard? I agree that we should lay out the plans for night actions before we go through with it in case it does end up in a lynch, but anyone opposing it has something to hide imho.

[Iecerint]

If thread-dodging covaries with cult status, that would seem to be all the more reason to test suicidal.

I should be part of the voting bloc if we do that because I check the thread every day.

[AurorusVox]

TNM:

We've gone over this a thousand times so dont try to say we're not coming up with anything ourselves.

First let me clear this up: If you murder and cult Ritual, it will say they were murdered UNLESS the cult resuscitate them in which case it will say they were ritualised.

Now onto why you need to claim your target: it doesn't matter for Cult whether you out your target or not. They will be able to tell who heard noises that wasn't their doing, and they will cross-reference that with people who claimed to have caused those noises. Even if they do not get a definitive answer, they will still be able to narrow it down and chances are they'll know who you're targetting. So if you don't out it, they'll PROBABLY be able to res the target if they want to, regardless. If it's one of them, they'll know they heard a noise and res themselves anyway.

Hiding your stalk target from TOWN, on the other hand, helps you (as scum) keep your options open and we're not the trusting type.

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Also, Xvart should rob a grave tonight. Just in case he's wifoming us about stalking Ben (I know he COULDN'T stalk Ben since Ben was warded - what I mean is what if he stalked someone else). Just to be on the supercautiousrabbitbabyside.

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ALSO also, just thought, if no one else claims they were murdered last night, that gives Seacore proskills townpoints amirite? So isn't him getting confirmed on me a waste when we can get Iec confirmed on me (or outed) and keep Seacore very-probable clear (assuming there are no other attempted-murder claims)

My thought process goes further thusly: normally the order of claimed stalks doesn't matter due to noise hearing revealing who got stalked, but cult wouldn't know I was stalked though noise last night since they passed me a fetish and I'd have heard a noise anyway. So Seacore fakeclaiming a stalk on me (first) would be VERY risky, esp. considering no one claimed to stalk me before so he could have outed himself like a motherfucker. Put that on top of his attempted murder claim, and bam. Also Iec's reasons sound like he was preparing to back down killing me because "whoops I made a mistake guess I shouldn't have stalked you then <3"

[totallynotmafia]

If thread-dodging covaries with cult status, that would seem to be all the more reason to test suicidal.

I should be part of the voting bloc if we do that because I check the thread every day.

Yeah, I just copied the last 9 people in the list of players because I am part of them and kunkstar isn't, I don't think we should change it now because it may just create confusion.

AV, having "options open" doesn't matter one bit, if I'm cult then there's no way I can be confirmed tomorrow whether i claim my target or not, i really can't see why this is so hard for people to undertsand.

[AurorusVox]

So if your murder "doesn't work" you won't protest your imminent lynching?