Simpsons Mafia (Game Over)

[Wraith]

Yo, people. I'll be reading the topic for catch-up sporadically today. Likely catch-up post tomorrow.

[Wraith]

Okay, that was a short read. At the moment I don't have too many major opinions, but Beavers has a pretty solid town read from me. That anti-town withholding of his heads is just far too risky of a gambit for scum to pull IMO. I don't really get the suspicion of boberz either ATM, but it looks like you've all moved on to a new wagon. I'll have to look at that later.

[ribwich]

Yes, but no one likes this idea anymore, so we can scrap it. Not to mention, tvella is such a better lynch.

Vote: Hiraki

There's only two scenarios that I can see from your idea. Either DH is town and you practically admitted to being opportunistic scum, or DH is your scumbuddy and you're bussing him in an attempt to get some town cred. In either situation, you're scum.

[jasonT1981]

just a quick note, my posting is going to be slow over the next few days. I fractured my left wrist so it is quite hard to type atm. frackin black ice on the driveway. it is interesting to note that Nacho has been posting activly on the site on a consistant basis since this game opened yet has not made a post here at all.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/search.p ... 8&sr=posts

Anything to say Nacho? where are you?

[Guderian]

Hiraki:

There's more I could say, but I don't really want to.

Withholding information is in no way town.

I need to re-read Darla and Tragedy. I think I'm missing something from what I've seen in my reads today.

Not clear exactly why he's doing said actions when he decided Darla was town in his last two posts.


Diddin

Since when has anti-town play been equivalent to scummy play?

Since always?

He goes after what looks to be the 2 easiest mislynches in his last two post so far (Tragedy and Trev). His iso 4 just reads scum to me.

He also fakes a little attack on Hiraki before moving off. On its own, no big deal. When I consider both of them leading candidates for scum, it reeks of faux-distancing/argumentation.

[jasonT1981]

Guderian, when you quote, could you please quote the names in the quotepost.. it makes it easier to follow.

[Guderian]

Usually I do, but that seemed easy enough to follow.

[jasonT1981]

it was the bottom bit that got me... sorry, got a little confused reading it the first time

[Tragedy]

I don't plan to make an excuse for being a newbie, which I'm not truly am.
mhm.

[jasonT1981]

Alright, fair enough but whats your defence for whats been pointed out against you? another fluff post from Tragedy/.

Tragedy, do you have any suspects?
have you seen anything that the rest of us might have missed?
what is your take on what has gone on so far?

[LlamaFluff]

unvote
Vote Sleepless Assassin
FoS Sens

SA has been doing a lot of pressing people on null points just making noise and not taking stances. His first post we have

Boberz, why didn't you vote in your first post?

Kage, why did you feel the need to acknowledge Jason's vote on Zang if you were going to vote for Nacho?

Null at best points

Demon, why did you want a mass character claim, which is obviously a terrible idea

Tragedy, don't guess people's roles in thread.

(The Fonz already addressed this).

Talked about by most, here we have SA bring it up but not take any stance about it

Boberz Post 52, reaction to a few votes on him, is much scummier than anything he did to warrant the votes in the first place.

Null tell push again, and again without explaination or vote/followup.

Benmage gets a scum read, but

I won't say why just yet.

Sweet, I can elaborate because Hiraki already confirmed that my thought wasn't true. The not wanting to say more thing, to me, looked like someone with role related info. Sure, we haven't had a night. But some roles are immediately given information that can help them figure things out.

Not so subtle rolefishing here

RVS usually ends up a town lynch when it comes to group influence, mhm.

How many games have you played in where they lynched in RVS?

Kage, that post was just my thoughts as I was reading. Not my fault that I read more and realized someone else had pointed out a couple of my thoughts already.

Vote Tragedy

now that I'm caught up.

This seems like a very odd point for him to end up given his previous points. While he does subtely push on a few people in his first post, he backs off all of that to vote someone who he never really says anything about. That and the Tragedy wagon is complete vig bait.

Sens also is probably scum given his horrible vote on boberz for hating the RVS. I would rather not have a RVS or cut it down to as short as possible. He is trying to use that as a case. Im sure there are a few ways to avoid the RVS stage in games.

[Guderian]

These clowns need to vote:

Nachomamma8, Tragedy, Wraith, Nero Cain, tvellalott, DarlaBlueEyes

[Fuzzy Beavers]

Your thing meant his/her suspicions, mhm.

Well cool, I completely misunderstood what you said.
Also, adding "mhm" to the end of every sentence is a good way to get yourself lynched. Please stop.

Mariyta, why are you being so hostile? What do you actually think about our alignment? Lobbing insults at me at every opportunity might be fun, but it isn't very productive.

Unvote. Vote: KageLord.

I'm going to go with my gut for now, since my vote on Tragedy was for a misunderstanding and DTM isn't caught up yet.

[Mariyta]

Mariyta, why are you being so hostile? What do you actually think about our alignment? Lobbing insults at me at every opportunity might be fun, but it isn't very productive.

Says the person(s) who took up five pages trying to get people to guess who they are... I'm not against hydras, but I hate it, and let me stress

hate it

, when they hijack threads with irrelevant guessing games. I've already explained this, repeatedly. As for your alignment, I've yet to decide. Aside from the aforementioned hijacking, you seem potentially town. Clearly, that could change as the game goes on.

[Tragedy]

FOS

: Sleepless Assassin

So you're going to vote me because of the post:

"RVS usually ends up a town lynch when it comes to group influence."

Yes, I've been lynched in RVS before. Don't try to claim that my point is false and use it as an excuse..

[Mariyta]

Tragedy, OMGUS aside, what is your reason for FOSing SA? And what are your opinions on others? You seem to be in the reactive mindset that a lot of newbies get into, and that only encourages day 1 lynches.

[KageLord]

Your thing meant his/her suspicions, mhm.

Well cool, I completely misunderstood what you said.
Also, adding "mhm" to the end of every sentence is a good way to get yourself lynched. Please stop.

Mariyta, why are you being so hostile? What do you actually think about our alignment? Lobbing insults at me at every opportunity might be fun, but it isn't very productive.

Unvote. Vote: KageLord.

I'm going to go with my gut for now, since my vote on Tragedy was for a misunderstanding and DTM isn't caught up yet.

Any reason for the vote other than "gut"?

[The Fonz]

I don't get the boberz wagon. As far as I can tell he's just the kind of guy who doesn't know how to scumhunt and thinks that people proposing MCs are scummy.

Could be, could also be lazy scum jumping an easy wagon. Not going to assume the former.

Deer's Darla vote is weird. What makes her the worst of the Fuzzy voters?

Not sure it's the Fuzzy vote that's the problem?

unvote, vote: Jason

Gut feeling about his play in toto, but in particular that his Tragedy vote stinks worse than boberz' DHvote or Darla's boberz vote, since Tragedy is just a new player who's done a couple of noobish looking things

that weren't actually scummy.

Why what? The boberz vote?

It's cause it's exactly the type of vote I've made before as lazy scum.

Does the boberz vote that prompted the wagon not look like that?

Tragedy with more noob uselessness, though must express displeasure at the 'I say stupid things easily' comment which could be pre-emptively justifying doing something antitown. Trag, can you say which fora you've played on before?

not only implying something in the first post and completely changing the reasoning when the Fonz called him out, but giving weak, lazy reasoning when pressured by the wagon.

This is bollocks. I never changed reasoning and never implied anything other than the reasoning I gave The Fonz.

I will get round to something better tomorrow.

It's not entirely unreasonable for DH to read it otherwise, but boberz did only give one explanation for his DHvote. In fact,

that's why I asked

him which of the two possible reasons it was he was using- the ones I had in mind were the nameclaim and the Beavers vote.

'Votehopping' is not a scumtell, it's an argument usually used by scum.

Also tradgedy seemed a step behind, DH was not seriously suggesting a role claim yet tradgedy is speaking as if that is what is being disputed. It is not it is more people's (my) reactions to it that is being debated.

Which is scummy because...?

FOS

: Sleepless Assassin

So you're going to vote me because of the post:

"RVS usually ends up a town lynch when it comes to group influence."

Yes, I've been lynched in RVS before. Don't try to claim that my point is false and use it as an excuse..

The othersitemeta alarms should be ringing hard in everyone's heads right now.

Like Mariyta's handling of the above.

[Scott Brosius]

Vote Count 5

Benmage(0)-
boberz(2)-DemonHybrid, SensFan,
DarlaBlueEyes(2)-Deer, KageLord
Deer(0)-
DemonHybrid(2)- boberz, Zang,
diddin(0)-
Fuzzy Beavers(0)-
Guderian(0)-
hiraki(4)- Mariyta, Benmage, Guderian, ribwich,
jasonT1981(2)- sottyrulez, The Fonz,
KageLord(1)-Fuzzy Beavers,
LlamaFluff(0)-
Mariyta(0)-
Nachomamma8(0)-
Nero Cain(0)-
ribwich(0)-
SensFan(0)-
Sleepless Assassin(1)-LlamaFluff,
sottyrulez(0)-
The Fonz(0)-
Tragedy(3)- Sleepless Assassin, jasonT1981, diddin,
tvellalott(1)-hiraki,
Wraith(0)-
Zang(0)-

Not Voting(6)- Nachomamma8, Tragedy, Wraith, Nero Cain, tvellalott, DarlaBlueEyes

With 24 alive, it's 13 to lynch. Deadline is January 27th at 1pm (EST)

[boberz]

Which (Tradgedy being a step behind) is scummy because...?

It was being used as something to comment on other than game relevant things. Of course he could just be not reading very closely. But I think avoiding commenting on two (or was it even three) building wagons and instead making up some nonesense to comment on cannot go unmentioned.

I should point out that I am not happy that you can get away with anything just because it was a gambit to get out of RVS, imagine somebody new had replied to DH's request, there are ways and means. However I am prepared to accept that it is not scummy, because it probably is not.

So I am going to

unvote vote DarkBlueEyes

I agree with those who suggest his initial votes did not look random
It is more for the lying about the votes rather than the votes themselves I am worried about.

[Fuzzy Beavers]

Says the person(s) who took up five pages trying to get people to guess who they are... I'm not against hydras, but I hate it, and let me stress hate it, when they hijack threads with irrelevant guessing games.

It was just a bit of fun! Oh, you're probably right, as usual.

Any reason for the vote other than "gut"?

Not really. I'm just waiting for DTM to catch up so that I can discuss stuff with him, and am voting you in the interim.

[jasonT1981]

Tragedy. is there any reasons why you have

1) avoided my questions
2) not made any contribution to the game except for your fluff posts.

and to add to those, and my earlier questions I shall post again, just in case you missed them

Alright, fair enough but whats your defence for whats been pointed out against you? another fluff post from Tragedy/.

Tragedy, do you have any suspects?
have you seen anything that the rest of us might have missed?
what is your take on what has gone on so far?

Also, you have been lynched in RVS? can we see that please?

[sottyrulez]

Tragedy though in ISO looks bad due to the RVS comment and the hydra talk post that seems to be diverting away from scumhuntign and back to the hydra. in fact most of his posts have been talking about the hydra accounts in some way or another.

voteTragedy

This is worthy of a vote huh? You do realize this was our basis for voting you yes?

Hydrameta
Hydrameta
HYDRAMETA
HYDRAMETA

Remember that?

[jasonT1981]

I'll give you a lollypop if you come answer my questions, Tragedy.

Fonzy... I don't usually let people fly by just because they are new,... he is now blatently avoiding questions and failing to make any contribution to the game, thats scummy.

further question.

Tragedy, have you any off site experience in mafia?

[jasonT1981]

Tragedy though in ISO looks bad due to the RVS comment and the hydra talk post that seems to be diverting away from scumhuntign and back to the hydra. in fact most of his posts have been talking about the hydra accounts in some way or another.

voteTragedy

This is worthy of a vote huh? You do realize this was our basis for voting you yes?

Hydrameta
Hydrameta
HYDRAMETA
HYDRAMETA

Remember that?

that and not giving any content apart from fluff posting, yes.