Simpsons Mafia (Game Over)

[jasonT1981]

Im not saying its a slip.. im just very curious about the choice of words and wanting him to explain what he means.

I am not saying that I see how saying 'Needs' is slipping though I do want to know why he 'needs' the vote of him.

EBYOP: Nero, he is not saying I am the easy target, he is saying I am picking on an easy target. I had actually typed the same thing asking why i am an easy target with the 'needs' slip until I realized what he had said, re-reading it before posting.

[boberz]

Apologies if I was ambiguous. I was suggesting that jason was

looking for

too obvious a slip, when the point I was questioning was more the OMGUS/survivalistic nature of the vote.

Although it appears to have already been cleared up.

[diddin]

Skimmed diddin's ISO. Looks confusing, like a paranoid player pointing the finger at every shadow.

Weak suspicion with no vote? Try harder to appear active.

I agree that Nacho avoiding this game is not a scumtell if he has done this in the past.

@sottyrulez: Care for me to rephrase it? I have a scumread on Jason and Tragedy. However, since Jason being scum makes Tragedy look town, my scumread on Tragedy is less so than my scumread on Jason.

Speaking of Tragedy, I really don't know what the heck he's doing anymore.

[jasonT1981]

hmmm want to address this before bedtime.

Diddin, you accuse me of being on the fence with Darla even though I had her as one of my top suspects at the time of your post.
the only other thing you have presented on me is my flip will determine others.. so what is this scum read you have on me?

Oh hold on...

@sottyrulez: Care for me to rephrase it? I have a scumread on Jason and Tragedy.

However, since Jason being scum makes Tragedy look town, my scumread on Tragedy is less so than my scumread on Jason.

Speaking of Tragedy, I really don't know what the heck he's doing anymore.

this is interesting....

However, since Jason being scum makes tragedy look town..

If I am scum, would that not mean you are bussing me as you seem to be indicating you already know I am scum .

Infact your whole case on me is my flip will determine others allignments... you have yet to actually present any other reasons apart from the super duper scum read you now have on me... what is that scum read btw? So yea, that and how was I fence sitting on Darla when I had made her one of my top suspects in the game

[Deer]

I feel out of the loop about the whole Jason thang.

[Guderian]

Hiraki, what part of my reasoning do you find insufficient/lacking.

I stand by my earlier statement:

Really Good Lynches:
Hiraki
diddin

[Guderian]

Also on the fence about Llamafluff. Usually, he is advocating and pushing wagons, defending people, and being active. Here, he has posted a few times and then posited a vote on someone with no hope of being lynched, and has washed his hands of all leading wagons.

He is unlikely to draw serious criticism today, and sets himself up well for d2-onwards.

[LlamaFluff]

Also on the fence about Llamafluff. Usually, he is advocating and pushing wagons, defending people, and being active. Here, he has posted a few times and then posited a vote on someone with no hope of being lynched, and has washed his hands of all leading wagons.

Ive already told you that SA is scum. When he doesnt post, and no one really seems to want to listen to me it cant really go anywhere. I would fine with a NC lynch, however SA is far better, but I dont like any of the leading wagons (Tragedy especially). The only remotely acceptable one is Hikari, but there are quite a few better lynches then him.

@mod

- Prod SA.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

sorry guys, net's out due to ice, posting from my phone for now. Net should be back by morning expect post then!

[Tragedy]

Needs-> Be more active. He should realize that it's meaningless to lynch me now after the elaborated town read.
In any other cases, people got easily lured by the bait.
I'd explain tomorrow anyways.

[Sleepless Assassin]

As of Page 6, Deer is still pressing Darla too hard for stuff that isn't scummy.

Hiraki, "scrapping" the massclaim idea doesn't solve anything. We obviously weren't going to do it. The question is more of why would he bring it up in the first place. I originally didn't like it, but I don't see scum doing that unless it's a WIFOM attempt at gaining town points in an unconventional way, which I doubt. I lean town on Demon, and I don't like Hiraki's take on this.

Tragedy's 159 is so scummy that I want to take a fork to my left eye.

Wraith, how is it a "Gambit" for Beavers not to reveal it's heads? Not seeing the towntell there.

Llama, the boberz and Kage points were possible leads. They were the first things I saw on Page 1, so I figured I'd dig. Boberz turned out to be null because of a meta I wasn't aware of and Kage's answer looked legit. So yeah, null points. But I didn't know that yet. Sometimes scum like to test waters before voting or feel the need to acknowledge joke votes on their scumbuddies as funny. I don't think either of those is the case here, but it was worth looking into. With Demon, I was trying to get a response about why he mentioned the idea. I think I mentioned this above in this post, but it's all about his reasons/motivation for suggesting the massclaim. I'm not going to just jump into "OMG SO SCUMMY" or defend him without trying to determine his intentions first. On Boberz, I don't see how saying that his reaction to votes on him is scummy can be considered either a null push or lack of explanation. On Hiraki, how is "Benmage shouldn't have pointed out what looked like a power role tell even though we now know it wasn't" rolefishing. Hiraki already told us his thought process behind that, so it's obvious that I was wrong anyway. Apparently, he was just lazy. About the Tragedy vote, there's a few things wrong with this accusation. First, the fact that I voted Tragedy over people who I didn't have much on yet is scummy why? Second, why was I supposed to see Tragedy as scummy before I actually did? Scum don't always give themselves up in their first post.

Tragedy, mafiascum VERY rarely lynches in the RVS. It happens probably less than 5% of the time.

I'm through 8 pages and it's after 4AM. I'll get to the rest when I can.

Unvote Tragedy

because it looks like she's basing things off of other sites which isn't really scummy.

I think I'll end up with a vote on Deer or Hiraki when I catch up, but I don't have any strong scum reads yet.

[Deer]

No, Sleepless, the stuff I was pressing Darla for

was

scummy.

[boberz]

Tragedy seriously needs to improve.

In other news I maybe VLA till Monday, I hope not.

[Wraith]

@Sleepless: I use the word in the meaning that Beaver was "gambling" with their life to conceal their identity, and it almost backfired badly for them.

Unvote Vote: Hiraki

I can get on board with this.

[jasonT1981]

Why is it so important to get him off of voting for you? Seems odd to be using your vote to essentially scare someone into not voting for you, especially since you're currently in no danger of being lynched.

This was never fully answered.

confused by this

Needs-> Be more active. He should realize that it's meaningless to lynch me now after the elaborated town read.
In any other cases, people got easily lured by the bait.
I'd explain tomorrow anyways.

your vote is on SA and we now have you saying that he has a town read on you but it was not SA that said it, it was Diddin that said it

@sottyrulez: Care for me to rephrase it?

I have a scumread on Jason and Tragedy. However, since Jason being scum makes Tragedy look town, my scumread on Tragedy is less so than my scumread on Jason.

Speaking of Tragedy, I really don't know what the heck he's doing anymore.

SA makes no mention of a town read at all....??

I do find it interesting, very interesting that SA removed the vote with his very next post after Tragedy's post of 'needing' SA to take the vote off.

[jasonT1981]

Actually, on the very next post of Tragedy reiterating it...(post 309/310)

[jasonT1981]

@SottyRulez: What do you think of Nachos claim that you are scum if you live through the night?

[sottyrulez]

@SottyRulez: What do you think of Nachos claim that you are scum if you live through the night?

It's pointless speculation that doesn't warrant a response.

[Tragedy]

Unvote: Sleepless Assassin

[sottyrulez]

Tragedy, who's scum?

[jasonT1981]

Unvote: Sleepless Assassin

Is this unvote on the basis he has now unvoted you..

Also, why did you avoid my points and questions?

[Scott Brosius]

Vote Count 8

Benmage(0)-
boberz(1)- SensFan,
DarlaBlueEyes(3)- KageLord, boberz, tvellalott,
Deer(0)-
DemonHybrid(1)- Zang,
diddin(1)-sottyrulez
Fuzzy Beavers(0)-
Guderian(0)-
hiraki(7)- Mariyta, Benmage, Guderian, ribwich, DarlaBlueEyes, DemonHybrid, Wraith,
jasonT1981(2)- diddin, Nero Cain,
KageLord(1)-Fuzzy Beavers,
LlamaFluff(0)-
Mariyta(0)-
Nachomamma8(1)-jasonT1981,
Nero Cain(1)-Deer,
ribwich(0)-
SensFan(0)-
Sleepless Assassin(1)-LlamaFluff,
sottyrulez(0)-
The Fonz(0)-
Tragedy(0)-
tvellalott(1)-hiraki,
Wraith(0)-
Zang(0)-

Not Voting(4)- Nachomamma8, The Fonz, Sleepless Assassin, Tragedy,

With 24 alive, it's 13 to lynch. Deadline is January 27th at 1pm (EST)

[jasonT1981]

SA Votes Tragedy
Tragedy votes SA and says you need to un-vote me to SA
SA comes on and un-votes in his next post
Tragedy in his next posts un-votes SA all while ignoring everything else....

WTF?

[sottyrulez]

Do you have a conclusion you'd like to share about that exchange, or are you just trying to draw attention to it?

[jasonT1981]

im confused by it... there is no actual reasoning to any of it! I want them to explain it.