Mafia of the Chosen Ones (Game Over!)

[Andrius]

singersigner, i believe this should suffice for now. More when its not 1am.

[singersigner]

Seraphs need faith.

However, early on, faith-rush benefits scum more than town, y/n? If not, explanation is needed.

Also I'm not exactly talking about D1 (yet). I whole-heartedly agree with vezok policy. Though there are other shenanigans that occured to me last night that will require me to read the thread before commenting on.

I'm not quite sure on the semantics of that part of the game, but I thought it was determined that both are equally endowed with Faith, but the amount of Faith needed to "buy" certain roles vary according to the alignment of those roles.

Do you feel as though the Light Seraph should sacrifice it's benefits of gaining Faith in order to prevent the Dark Seraph from benefiting by gaining Faith as well? Why or why not?

[Katsuki]

Firstly, in order for the Light Seraphs to give out the roles, they need to have certain town-reads to begin with. Without the town reads, it is very hard for the Light Seraphs to give out roles.

Secondly, take a look at MOHO. I outlined this point already in my last post. Probably with the above as well.

My point is that, essentially the light seraphs do not need the mana rush early on as much as the dark seraphs do. Hence it would be in the scum's interest to get more mana asap, where as that is not the town's priority.

[Katsuki]

Do you feel as though the Light Seraph should sacrifice it's benefits of gaining Faith in order to prevent the Dark Seraph from benefiting by gaining Faith as well? Why or why not?

My point is that the benefits of the early mana rush for the Dark Seraphs far outweigh those for the Light Seraphs.

[RayFrost]

I'd like to sort some things out before I get into the meat of my posting for this spurt:

I

did not keep pushing

the idea that multiple QLs were going to happen. I took the extremely quick voting early on D2 (equi and andrius both voted in a short span of time) to be a signal of another QL going down, which I did not approve of As soon as equi explained otherwise, I was fine. To say that I've been pushing it continually (when I did so ONCE) is misrepresentation of the situation.

Katsuki: multiple QLs are not happening, so you should change your focus to something actually useful like, y'know, finding scum.

[RayFrost]

I think magua addresses the issue with your thought process rather well. Magua-post aside, who do you think is scum? Why?

Two things: if we are going the same as in MoHo, then there are two scumteams that are unaware of each other's identity (same *team* but split apart into two segments that know each other exist). So operating under the idea that there are two scumteams (rather than assuming the scumseraph merged the terms immediately as andrius is doing) is best. Secondly, citation needed for calling me FoS worthy.

All this aside...

It is the opinion of RayFrost that this discussion about whether the quicklynch wa bad or good play is doing nothing in actually finding scum. It is RayFrost's proposal that everybody should "stop focusing on that crap and get to scumhunting." I agree with his proposal by virtue of the fact discussing whether a decision made was good/bad play is not helpful.

[RayFrost]

Spice: Quicklynch aside, who do you think is scum? Why?

[Baby Spice]

Both of you seem to think that the other has the opposite agenda according to an on-going game.

Que? How do you mean opposite agenda? Opposite to what?

Frosty, Mothrax is the only one for the reason I've said.

Starting to wonder about SS though after the above quoted. Look like someone trying to stir up some town v town action.

[RayFrost]

So you don't find

anybody else in this game

to be suspicious? I find that to be... suspicious.

[singersigner]

Both of you seem to think that the other has the opposite agenda according to an on-going game.

Que? How do you mean opposite agenda? Opposite to what?

Frosty, Mothrax is the only one for the reason I've said.

Starting to wonder about SS though after the above quoted. Look like someone trying to stir up some town v town action.

I mean that both of you have stated that you find the other to be playing against the town meta that you apparently have from a game you can't discuss.

I'm not stirring up anything. You both have stated that you find the other to be scummy (from what I've interpreted both of your statements about the other to mean). Does this mean you believe Andrius to be town then? Why the inconsistency?

Now I can see where Andrius is coming from...

[Baby Spice]

How exactly did you read Andrius as genuine town pushing the QL?

Both of you seem to think that the other has the opposite agenda according to an on-going game.

I mean that both of you have stated that you find the other to be playing against the town meta

SS: In very few posts you ask why I'm reading Andy as town, then ask why am I reading as going against a town meta (ie: scum) then accuse me of inconsistancy.

I have catagorically not stated anything about town or scum meta, merely that I think Andy is town.

I stated that one of Andy's actions could be scummy, but the way in which he did it is a way I doubt scum would do it. ie: Too obvious, too noticable. Therefor, town.

[singersigner]

BALLS.

I WAS MIXING YOU UP WITH ANDRIUS IN THE SAME POSTS I WAS ANALYZING YOU IN.

I was just connecting the game you guys were apparently referring to, and mixed up who said what about the respective game.

This is what happens when you try to do things late at night, thinking that you remember what you clearly don't. X( I retract my statement.

/puts foot in mouth

//that tastes bad

[Vi]

All players have confirmed.

Please stop THINKING about talking about ongoing games.

[mothrax]

I'm having trouble seeing where I "subtly" pushed the quicklynch. I logged on and saw that it was happening, said cool and within 30 minutes it happened. So just because I wasn't all OMG quicklynch gogogo I am scum...?

Also at andrius: shot is a colloquial. It does not mean innefective.

[inHimshallibe]

ANDRIUS IM SORRY I COULDNT BE THERE FOR YOU

I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR YOU, SLIMY KENNEDY.

[mothrax]

@Baby Spice: Andrius's 32 ninjad my vote, so really I was going to vote before that. Then I simulposted with the vc. The problem with your claim is that it does not take activity levels, simulposting, ninjaing etc into account.

[mothrax]

Your noise is truly pathetic.

It'd be better if you all said "this wagon is policy/lulz/ nonsense" because then at least I could understand it. But to claim "this is some serious stuff for serious reasons" is laughable and ridiculous.

Also: Further proof that Gude is scum: Whenever he is attacked he tries to discredit arguements against him with insults and "humor". These are only two shining examples.

[Magua]

My point is that the benefits of the early mana rush for the Dark Seraphs far outweigh those for the Light Seraphs.

Please answer these three questions:

1. Do you think the vezok quicklynch D1 was a town or anti-town action? (Yes / No)

2. Do you think there is a quicklynch happening D2? (Yes / No)

3. Who do you FoS? (Three names, please)

[inHimshallibe]

@VasudeVa: Do you think they're partners?

Right now I do. Why do you ask? Are we against 2 scumteams or something?

PS: RF is FoS worthy right about now.

Also, I'm not used to seeing an active inHim.

o.O

New job.

[inHimshallibe]

ANDRIUS IM SORRY I COULDNT BE THERE FOR YOU

I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR YOU, SLIMY KENNEDY.

And by this I mean you're a dirty Catholic from New England, but also Town.

RayFrost seems fine, I like my townies concerned, brows furrowed. BROWS FURROWED, I SAID.

[Equinox]

I had the thought that the scum seraphs would already have done Consolidation as soon as they were able to since it's relatively inexpensive, but if what Magua says in post 306 is true, they haven't. Small Voice has a different appearance if I'm understanding MoHO and Vi's sample Holy Order correctly, so this is likely an actual ability.

Hmm... If scum gain 50% battery power, then the cost to consolidate and then enter the QuickTopic probably costs more, and I'm guessing the increase would be (at least) proportional to the change in conversion rate.

Brain fodder.

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That's why I think the quick lynch was pushed by scum. But I really felt that Andy was genuine town in doing it. Hence voting Mothrax who subtly cited quick lynching as part of his vote.

Now I see where you were going. Hmm... Okay.

Plus, it really told us a lot about who was online posting, as far as potential scumz needing to send in a kill at that time.

I thought about that, but it's impossible to definitively tell who could have sent in an action because the scum may have stayed off the quick lynch entirely, and not everyone has public online status. Basically, we're still at square one (but with reads from people's behaviors and stuff).

How exactly did you read Andrius as genuine town pushing the QL?

Since Baby Spice couldn't answer, I will. It's a ballsy move for scum; pushing a policy lynch is difficult, and usually there's somebody out there who will go bug-eyed and scream, "OMGZ HE'S PUSHING AN EASY LYNCH DIESCUMDIE." It's more likely that scum would join an already established policy lynch than propose one themselves.

That said... I probably should read that part again.

[Fate]

THIS THREAD HAS A NOTABLE LACK OF GUDERIANSCUM.

That said I've been thinking about it ___?? makes a good point: Seraphs needs town reads so town lists D1 are a GUDE THING.

[Fate]

ALSO, since I don't think proposing powers per se is good, (and if its hito it won't likely matter I won't come within 40 years of a power role which is fine considering I'll be shot in the face after my scumpects flip), may I suggest to the ALMIGHTY GODZ:

Maybe hold off on powerz until D3, get a real feel for who scum will be NKing. The Rhinox shot was a gut based (OH FUCK GET A KILL OFF RHINOX IS EXPERIENZ) which in itself is telling, but the NK tonight should tell a lot more. Obviously optimal play would be to give it to solid townies that the scum don't appear to have an interest in killing.

NEWAY:

TOWN:
Andrius-enough words have been said on why his "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD" was a town move. TOWN

Jack-first to support the PL with actual :goodlogic: (hey it'll give seraphs a boost let's do it). Also did that whole "EDWOP: us* town" whereas scum would be more like "OH FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK HOPE NO ONE SEES THAT AND IF THEY DO ILL PLAY IT OFF" TOWN

RayFrost-Overall:goodpostin: and here specifically:

Not at all. I think both are scummy, regardless of their vote choices. They could both be voting each other with me as a double voter with one vote on each of them, and I'd still be doing what I thought was best - voting scum. Scum can vote other scum (from my understanding, there's separate scumteams on the same side... assuming we are following MoHo) while not realizing it. This doesn't change the fact they are scum. We can't merely look for connections in this game,

since there *is* the issue of the split scumteams that are not (immediately) aware of each other.

As such, I promote baby spice's vote while still feeling that baby spice is scum.

Anyway, sleep time for me. Love you guys, try not to lynch without me (unless, of course, I get credit for being awesome enough to point out the scum that gets lynched, then I'm good)!

This is pretty telling since I was IN the first MoHo and this thought slipped my mind (granted, I died N1 waaay before any of the mechanics had become clear >_>) Implies a FRESH read of the original MoHo mechanics, and then him SHARING his thoughts about the original set-up with the class: aka "hey just in cas u forgot deres double scumz right nao". Not sure if he was the first to mention this but it stood out because I know he wasn't in the first one. TOWN

EquinoX-pretty obvious. Was also the first to notice Kitoari's Guderian fencesit-doubleback-contradiction-scumbag posts.

inHIM-Much easier to get a town read on this guy when he POSTS MORE THAN ONCE A WEEK. Anyway, the townest thing about inhim, IMO, is the way he went from: EVERYONE ON THE PL GETS A PASS, which a towntell for 1. Being almost LITERALLY what I said about the people on the D1 Godfather wagon back in Dramonic's Large Normal (aka I said TWO DAY PASS, not "town" because I knew that my reads could change and that there was also likely scum on that wagon, but I wanted to look ELSEWHERE first), and 2. Because the way he went and then VOTED some of those people (I forget who it was, but I remember someone pointing it out. Magua I think) reads as CONCRETE TOWN because his reads are still adjusting and changing, and hes NOT concerned with people going back and looking over a so-called contradiction.

Magua-Haters gonna hate, but I liked his hammer and his subsequent: YO THROW A VOTE DOWN FUCKER attitude. ALSO he made this post:

Footnote for town seraphs: Assuming you're full on faith right now, Neighborizer would be a great power to bestow at this point. Used correctly, incredibly useful, but not a huge loss if the target is lynched or dies.

Now THATS town, first of all terrible idea but thats for MD-but the INTENT the raw "I'm gonna throw this out there" would be WAY too ballsy for scum to do. Scum: "YEAH NEIBHORIZER....throw THAT role into the mix seraphs >_>b (hehehehheheheh)" he actually genuinely BELIEVES that would be a good choice.

[Fate]

hmmmm I WAS gonna make a second tier of townlists but not that many people have posted >__>

COME OUT SCUM WHEREVER YOU ARE.

NACHO YOURE IN THSI GAME? WAT? (I then look at your posts and see this STREEEEEEEETCH of a tell: "Magua was stalling to send in a kill." MY GOD THATS A BAD POINT AND NOT A TOWNNACHO: SCUMMMMMMMM)

AGar is in this game HMMMMMMMMMMMMM

VV, makes ME ITCH. Little posting, silent hop onto Gude, Fate-sheeping and no Fate-paranoia, AND:

@VasudeVa: Do you think they're partners?

Right now I do. Why do you ask?

Are we against 2 scumteams or something?

PS: RF is FoS worthy right about now. Also, I'm not used to seeing an active inHim. o.O

Reads forced as hell. "Yeah I think they're partners, what ever do you mean? theres two scumteams? ohhh i didn know that >_>" THIS POST CAME AFTER RAYFROSTS AND EVEN IF IT DIDNT IT DID.

OH HAI VVSCUM, NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN.

I'd throw mothrax in the second tier of posting, if only because of how relaxed his posting is compared to when he is scumz. Plus he's got some nice content in da ISO.

Singersinger: View User's Posts: Understands said insult reference. OH I SEE. Apology accepted, now start posting more because if you coast like you did LAST GAME we were in you get a solid scumread. SCUMMY

Empking: COASTMASTAAAH when scum. Seriously don't let this guy slide later on this game.
KATSUKI-[REDACTED] FATE SHEEPING AND PIGGYBACKING? NO FATE DAYCUPCAKEKILL? MMMMMMMMHMMMMMMMMMMM

Baby Spicy:

Vote Vezok

I read the last few pages of that game.

That's why I think the quick lynch was pushed by scum.

But I really felt that Andy was genuine town in doing it. Hence voting Mothrax who subtly cited quick lynching as part of his vote.

That's why I think the quick lynch was pushed by scum.

That's why I think the quick lynch was pushed by scum.

That's why I think the quick lynch was pushed by scum.

That's why I think the quick lynch was pushed by scum.

That's why I think the quick lynch was pushed by scum.

That's why I think the quick lynch was pushed by scum.

That's why I think the quick lynch was pushed by scum.

That's why I think the quick lynch was pushed by scum.

WHAT. FUCK. THE?

ADD TO THE KILL LIST.

SCUM:
GUDERIAN
KITOARI
VV
NACHO
BabySpice
[LURKER]
[LURKER]
[LURKER]

ETC.

SHOULD HAVE THIS WRAPPED UP.

[Andrius]

I'm not stirring up anything. You both have stated that you find the other to be scummy (from what I've interpreted both of your statements about the other to mean). Does this mean you believe Andrius to be town then? Why the inconsistency?

Now I can see where Andrius is coming from...

EXACTLY.

Gomenasai, Vi-(kun/chan). ^^;

Props to Magua for jumping on Katsuki.

THIS THREAD HAS A NOTABLE LACK OF GUDERIANSCUM.

WHAT I SAID LAST PAGE.

TOWN:
Andrius-enough words have been said on why his "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD" was a town move. TOWN

Odd, because that's a line my brother and I use. "SACRIFICES TO THE GOD OF WAR" type deal. XD

FATE WHY U HATIN ON MY NACHO?

Sadly, I'm also getting mixed scum-vibes from VV. I'll detail later on.

Baby Spice is definitely scum. Fate's quote in the #348 is perfect. Because the quicklynch was PUSHED BY ME. And he calls me town. HRMMMMM