[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

[Andrius]

And you have two Serial Killers and no Doctors.
Even if this wasn't open there are still gaping holes in the setup.

edit: What you're doing is giving the mafia extra kills in the hopes it will balance with the 2 SKs without taking into account that the town is defenseless and powerless against kills bouncing off the walls.

[drmyshottyizsik]

there are two possible doctors

[bv310]

Those aren't doctors. They may become doctors in a very rare circumstance, but they would likely be dead first.

[drmyshottyizsik]

why would they most likely be dead?

[bv310]

There are 3 kills pre night, with the potential for a fourth on D2. By D3, in a case where all abilities are used, you have 10 dead. That is half of your playerlist. Seriously, run this in the Mini Theme queue and see how it plays out. This will give you infinitely more understanding of why this is a horribly broken setup.

[gandalf5166]

Not to mention the fact that the SKs, if they were not idiots, would just claim D1 and practically auto-win since this setup is so weighted against the scumteam. Although the psychiatrists wouldn't want to convert them early, they'd want to wait until they had vigged all of the scum first.

[gandalf5166]

Not to mention the fact that the SKs, if they were not idiots, would just claim D1 and practically auto-win since this setup is so weighted against the scumteam. Although the psychiatrists wouldn't want to convert them early, they'd want to wait until they had vigged all of the scum first.

I'm assuming that the SKs are bulletproof. If they're not, then they wouldn't want to claim until all the scum were dead, obv.

[drmyshottyizsik]

read what I posted they can only claim Spirit

[Empking]

Selfish Psychopaths

- Functions as a normal SK, but can be cured. They can only claim that they are Restless Spirits.

Yeah but seriously this set up is neither intersting and nor is it going to get run or even intended to get run. Stop talking about it.

[gandalf5166]

read what I posted they can only claim Spirit

Eh. So after all the scum are dead, a cycle gets set up so that every single claimed spirit gets checked by the psychiatrists. Same deal. The SKs have no motivation to kill once the scum are dead.

[bv310]

Giving them a claim restriction does absolutely nothing except introduce modkills, WHICH UNBALANCE THE GAME EVEN MORE.

Run one game, Shotty. Then come back and make balanced setups.

[Mr. Flay]

Seriously, run this in chat/marathon and see how it plays out.

FTFY

[Andrius]

Seriously, run this in chat/marathon and see how it plays out.

FTFY

Hell, run it like I run setups in trial runs.
Using the setup and basic logic it isn't hard to see how the setup can fare.

[Herodotus]

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I'd like to ask that all discussion of "No Vanilla Crazy Mafia" stop for now, as it looks like it involves some ideas derived from an ongoing game.

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[drmyshottyizsik]

So Hero should we never talk about a game that has a mafia goon in it due to the fact that a newbie game is running?

[Andrius]

So Hero should we never talk about a game that has a mafia goon in it due to the fact that a newbie game is running?

Mafia Goon is not an original role, Shotty.
Now please, show some respect.

[drmyshottyizsik]

He's not mad that I used his role, he is mad that I said I wished I had your role, which is a known role,you are dead in that game, stating your role is not bad and won't hurt anyone

[Andrius]

Its

not

a known role, Shotty. That's the point.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Then how do I know it?

[Andrius]

You don't.
Please stop arguing.

[drmyshottyizsik]

Oh ok, then whats the problem?

[Andrius]

The problem is you're talking about an on-going game.

[drmyshottyizsik]

oh I see, didn't you bring it up?

[Andrius]

No, you're the one who posted the setup.

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[drmyshottyizsik]

I never related it to his game, you did. And [/conversation over] == End the conversation being over, so it's not over yet.
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