Simpsons Mafia (Game Over)

[Mariyta]

Re-reading 11-16 in detail. Few comments below

This post bothers me. He makes somewhat of a linking argument toward them and states he is suspicious of both, but that Jason flipping scum would reduce his suspicions of Tragedy, which doesn't really make much sense to me in any respect other than scum trying to have an argument more than one way.

I fully agree with this. If Diddin is linking the two, why would confirming/condemning one clear the other? Not to mention that it's too soon to begin linking people when no one has flipped yet.

No, but I just need him to get off and realize his wrong doings, pretty much.

Others have commented, but I think it needs to be mentioned again. I don't buy Tragedy's explanation in #309

SA doesn't give me warm and fuzzies, either. #361's explanation for the town read he has on me is especially bad. Based on his comment, I'd be tempted to take a second look at me. I don't see the town read at all, especially considering that at this point, I hadn't posted in four days and never really explained my Hiraki vote.

This was the stage of the game were Darla was getting ready to throw her toys outta the pram.

Best quote so far.

[Wraith]

Hiraki: Opportunistic vote on DH w/ weak reasons, not to mention the claim that a lynch on DH on page 3 would provide valuable information ; Admitting that "I could say more but..." was just laziness (I think it was an attempt to say "Hey, I have inside info, but I can't share it", but he realized then he'd have to back that shit up); Vote on #130 makes no sense. There were better reasons in that post to vote others, but he chose tvella. Why? Then you have the "I need to re-read the two main suspects because I think I'm missing something." This screams "I want to wagon, but I don't have a good reason, so let me think of one."

This is a good analysis. And this is the post she refers to:

DH needs to die. His vote hopping and opinion are anti-town.

Not to mention, his alignment could really help this game.

There's more I could say, but I don't really want to.

Vote: DemonHybrid

Ew. There are some parts from Hiraki's WoT that I don't like either:

Second. Unvote, Vote: Gudierian

Your vote looks a bit too opportunistic to me.

Poorly-disguised OMGUS. This vote is bad for several reasons:

1. Guderian justified his vote somewhat later on
2. After all that WoT, Hiraki could only find "opportunism" as a reason to vote someone.
3. As far as I can tell, diddin is his prime suspect for several reasons, yet he votes Guderian for one.

That's damn right. Darla has only mentioned me once. Apparently I'm scum though. You can check of Darla spelled my name wrong, still nothing shows up. That's 2. Other than that, Darla doesn't look too bad, like I said before. Just being an idiot. While sure, you could reason that Darla is just being an idiot by voting me, I don't really want to think that. This is more of a BW, rather than a lolthatswhereiputmyvote excuse. Still for safety, this is why Guderian needs to die first.

You aren't being accused of being scum for association with Darla AFAIK. If someone's voting you for that reason they ain't reading much.

The majority of his WoT is on diddin, yet he doesn't vote for him. I don't know about anyone else, but it just screams "distancing from scumbuddy" to me.

Also, Benmage is not obvtown. ATM I'm fairly neutral on Benmage.

While I haven't looked at tvellalot much, I don't like that attention is suddenly shifting from Hiraki. Call me paranoid, but my gut says it's the scumteam trying to save their buddy. I'll take a look at tvellalot later though, in case the case has merit, because LlamaFluff is pro-town in my eyes ATM.

So far, people I'm liking: Mariyta, sottyrules, LlamaFluff
People I'm liking to lynch: Hiraki, diddin

[Steven Hacking]

Hi everyone. I just replaced in for I'm not sure who. I'm gonna start reading now. I might not finish until later tonight. I hate when people promise a post and then don't' follow up. But I will try my very hardest to give you something of substance today. I will try to provide some new information, and will try not to repeat anything that has gotten sufficient attention. If you have anything you'd like me to address specifically, feel free to let me know. Just so you guys know, this is my first replace in, so we'll see how it goes.

[Tragedy]

Jason. You've been still jumping on me forever. I look scum because of my posts, good for you.

Off-site experience doesn't completely have to do what's going on in-game, since it wasn't really information and uses from mafiascum. Ignoring you for the previous posts were completely worth it since you keep blabbing and focusing on me with your damn posts to know why I did this and that, uh-uh, don't focus on that. No-one really wanted to buy my 'needs' anyways.

Either jason's being a noob-hating, aggressive town or some scum. Either way, makes him look noob-hating in some way too.

And yes, the comic guy's worth it.

Wraith: Attention is being shifted towards tvellalot?? Seems more suspicious of tvellalot now because of the attention shift.
Hiraki:

"I'd like to lastly(I think) take another look at tvella and DH. Both have come up as scum reads at one point, but I think DH's was misguided, and tvella still looks a little weird."

This is another sense of scumread which I just picked up recently while reading tvellalot's posts.

[The Fonz]

Aggression on the part of town is a good thing, no?

Guys, can I haz comments on Wraith? Do people think his actions are not scummy at all, not scummy given meta, null, scummy, what?

[diddin]

Jason. You've been still jumping on me forever. I look scum because of my posts, good for you.

Off-site experience doesn't completely have to do what's going on in-game, since it wasn't really information and uses from mafiascum. Ignoring you for the previous posts were completely worth it since you keep blabbing and focusing on me with your damn posts to know why I did this and that, uh-uh, don't focus on that. No-one really wanted to buy my 'needs' anyways.

Either jason's being a noob-hating, aggressive town or some scum. Either way, makes him look noob-hating in some way too.

And yes, the comic guy's worth it.

Wraith: Attention is being shifted towards tvellalot?? Seems more suspicious of tvellalot now because of the attention shift.
Hiraki:

"I'd like to lastly(I think) take another look at tvella and DH. Both have come up as scum reads at one point, but I think DH's was misguided, and tvella still looks a little weird."

This is another sense of scumread which I just picked up recently while reading tvellalot's posts.

holy newb card batman

[jasonT1981]

first off

unvote

Also, there's a third party role around here, I wonder. prepare to suffer, Sideshow Bob.

Care to elaborate?

.

Jason, the off site reasoning from Tragedy was the lynching in RVS thing, which was really the only thing that stood out in the first few pages. It looked like scum playing the cautious card for town points. I conceded that point as soon as we learned that Tragedy has seen that happen off site. However, the lack of stances, OMGUS vote followed by the unvote after mine, and survivalist mentality are just too much to ignore.

I have seen a RVS lynch in a recent game on site I have modded. I guess it is a concern but a very slight one. I have only ever seen it once in 3 years of Maifa both on and off site.

Ben:
Weird. A lot of early content. Unexplained Hiraki vote. Disappears. +Scumpoints.

I had a town read on Ben at the start of this game due to how he was voting without explination, I saw him to it as town in a previous game, and before we won as town I had it out with him thinking he was scum for his voting style. Not sure on him now, he seems to have disappeared at the minute.

at this point (page 15, post 373) Wraith is catching my attention with his seemingly active lurking. by this point a lot of his posts were fluff or filler

@Jason
This post
1. Except I've been withholding meta information from you to do your analysis. You were in a position where YOU COULD META ME but YOU COULDN'T. Because you have the possibility of ANALYZING ME FROM THE META ANGLE that you STRESS SO MUUUUUUCCH ABOUT I'd expect some attacks. or Votes.

But now you have 1 head. Your read sir. Or are you going to spout theory all day like fluffy scum.

2. Why are you arguing about the fact that you didn't know the meta before the half of the head claim. You know, you could do something and actually meta read me now. K? K.

You do make a good point, yes I could not at that time have meta on you because you were with-holding. Did you ever give a reason for with-holding it? I can;t remember now. While I could not meta you at that time, I believed there were other people I or others could focus on, and explore the actions off as at that time everyone was on at you. I do need to re-look at the games we played though to refresh my memory of how you play.

I'll discuss with Nikanor but at the moment i'm confused by his Kage vote :S. I'm more inclined to pressure Tradgy, or Hidikei since my mind is there based on page 7. Fonz's original idea was good but I haven't had a lot of explosure to more of his posts about boberz. So his argument is kind of falling behind as new posts are being made. (at least the argument about intentions with votes).

that can be a problem with Hydras, two opposing views on things. I have never hydra'd for this reason.

Also, don't get me wrong. That wasn't a defense of Wraith, however, I wanted to give you food for thought when it comes to him. That's his natural playstyle and he HAS been town when he's played like that.

I personally find Wraith extremely hard to read, so I'm unsure of him.

at this point, there is very little to actually read from him. Does anyone know if this is town or scum play from Wraith? I don't think I have played with him before.

I also dislike the Hideki vote because it falls under the same logic as The Fonz's vote analysis. A vote without an explanation (i.e. You did not attack the player's logic, but you just called him scummy)

Yeah, I called Hiraki scummy because he was, well, scummy.

Scummy player is scummy... nice.. what reasons though is he scummy, did you even give any? I can't actually remember...let me look..

oh, no you didn't spent an entire post focusing on others,

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p2712811

only to say

I don't like Hiraki.

VOTE: Hiraki

Damn........

Nacho - If you were not going to use it against Sotty, why even bring it up?

To warn the people. They must know.

you have now essentailly nulled this tell though.

now things get interesting with this...

Remember children,

lurking =/= scum.

Have you not been lurking mostly so far? I don't think this is enough to warrent a vote right now but deserves more explination. DH and Nacho pick up on this and vote though. I can understand.

Llama, how do you not see Hiraki as scummy? I may be biased, but I think most people find him at least somewhat scummy.

hmmm, see this is now the 2nd time you have called him scummy but truthfully in ISO you have said very little about him. In fact you still have your vote on him at this point, despite voting early on for him yet have made very little mention of someone you keep saying is so scummy.

Hey guys. Can we do a test? Everyone go to the ISO of Darla.

Get the Search out on the Page.

Type in my name.

Press Enter.

That's damn right. Darla has only mentioned me once. Apparently I'm scum though. You can check of Darla spelled my name wrong, still nothing shows up. That's 2. Other than that, Darla doesn't look too bad, like I said before. Just being an idiot. While sure, you could reason that Darla is just being an idiot by voting me, I don't really want to think that. This is more of a BW, rather than a lolthatswhereiputmyvote excuse. Still for safety, this is why Guderian needs to die first.

[/quote]

Distancign anyone? or at least trying to create the illusion of distancing by not mentioning Hik?

this I find weird though.

In my re-read of Tragedy, he came up as mainly town. Sleepless looks town too. It's more of a town/town argument then anything.

how so though? these, aside from yourself seem to be the most scummy looking players, how do you feel they are town?

Also this I do not like.

First off, I'd like to apologize for being inactive for awhile.
Second.

Unvote, Vote: Gudierian

Your vote looks a bit too opportunistic to me.

you make a huge post, this is how you open it.. you do not show how the vote is opertunistic. then fail to mention Gudierian again. Why?

This person needs to die to, before DH. That makes me sigh.

Unvote, Vote: tvellalot

Hardly.
The content is coming, it's still ridiculously early in the game.

Early on making excuses not to have to scumhunt. If no one ever decided to scumhunt we would never progress beyond RVS. There are even a few small wagons going at this point that tvelll is ignoring.

very nice find I missed this earlier in the game but you are spot on. Never too early for content. going to look more at Tvell in ISO now as he was off my radar before this.

hmmm quick read of ISO he produced little content at all before hand. tvellalott is now starting to post more in my catch up now (page 16 post 395) he does make a point on Darla though. Someone I do find scummy right now still. I don';t buy her I am a woman and her I have PMS defences.

Jason. You've been still jumping on me forever. I look scum because of my posts, good for you.

Off-site experience doesn't completely have to do what's going on in-game, since it wasn't really information and uses from mafiascum. Ignoring you for the previous posts were completely worth it since you keep blabbing and focusing on me with your damn posts to know why I did this and that, uh-uh, don't focus on that. No-one really wanted to buy my 'needs' anyways.

Either jason's being a noob-hating, aggressive town or some scum. Either way, makes him look noob-hating in some way too.

And yes, the comic guy's worth it.

Wraith: Attention is being shifted towards tvellalot?? Seems more suspicious of tvellalot now because of the attention shift.
Hiraki:

"I'd like to lastly(I think) take another look at tvella and DH. Both have come up as scum reads at one point, but I think DH's was misguided, and tvella still looks a little weird."

This is another sense of scumread which I just picked up recently while reading tvellalot's posts.

Bloody hell, Newb card if ever... I was pushing you because I find you scummy. I rarely allow the newb card to be played (see my games with Andrew or CK) or do not by the newb defence. If its scummy, its scummy and new or experienced need to explain their actions regardless.. how long do we allow scummy behaviour to equate to Newbish?

Worst rant EVER... your in a widow-maker profession, well if you ever got married that is!

Aggression on the part of town is a good thing, no?

Guys, can I haz comments on Wraith? Do people think his actions are not scummy at all, not scummy given meta, null, scummy, what?

on the fence on this, I do not know him or his playstyle. He has picked up my attention though. He could be considered a suspect but not a high up one right this minute.

OK scum suspects.

Hiraki - especially with the below making me think a connection between the two. Maybe bussing.
Mariyta - spends too much time saying Hir is scummy but little to back it up.
tvellalott - seemed content to lurk it out for a while and use excuses for no content. only really when pressured more he posts more.
Darla - Already outlined my reasons.
Ben - Early town read on Ben due to Zachtown mountains game but not been seen in a while making me rethink.


Middle of the road

Beaver - need to look more at past games with the two
Nero - needs far more content, don't like how he accuses me of scum going after less experienced player though in ISO 10.
Deer - needs more content.

Town

Sotty/Zach - typical pressure on me from both as expected. However town read on them, Zachs posts seem to be pressuring me which he does a lot and a Sottyscum usually pushes false meta on me and is a lot more ruthless in attacking me.

The Fonz - not really a meta read but like his posts so far.

Its 2am so I am now going to go to bed, the above lists are mearly my strongest reads/feelings on people. if you are not in that list, it means you are flying under my radar for now. With that said.

vote:Mariyta

I was considering Hirika, however I would like Mar to explain her Hirika tunnelling more, she keeps saying he is scummy and is scum but really fails to produce content as to why.

[jasonT1981]

Hiraki though getting town reads on two suspected scum really flags my attention. I want to pressure Mariyta more though. I believe there could be a connection between the two.

[jasonT1981]

Tragedy is also on the scummy side of the fence on my reads/feelings. I forgot to include him in my scum list when summing up at the end of my post. Urgh. 2.20am bed time!

[Mariyta]

Jason, I've already explained both my vote and why I didn't explain my vote to begin with. It's on page 16.

[jasonT1981]

Urgh, i'll re-look at that tomorrow then. even if you did, 16 pages to explain your vote and yet very little focus on who you have had your vote on from the start is weird. for someone so convinced he was scum, you did very little to prove it.

[LlamaFluff]

Guys, can I haz comments on Wraith? Do people think his actions are not scummy at all, not scummy given meta, null, scummy, what?

Wraith is a decent spot to have a wagon show up, especially compared to a few people that are getting votes. I like my tvell vote a whole lot more though.

[Benmage]

I have returned.

Reread starts on post 139, sorry if I rehash old things. I did try to skim at times (phone mainly) to keep up.

Its a horrible idea, so I expected it to be universally rejected. I was also expecting votes too, and judge behavior off of vote reasoning.

Bingo Bango

Don't see the points of the votes on FB earlier due to him not revealing at that time who he was... silly votes I think.

Did you not see my point on the inherent problem with "town" people withholding information....??

I dislike all of 147:

Jeebus! You get a life for a day or so and everyone decides you're scummy! FFS.

Fluff

Anyways - while I admit some of my actions may have seemed scummy,

So which actions do you think are the scummy ones if you right off these next two:

my first two votes were RVS and done in jest, hence the lack of reasoning beyond I DO NOT LIKE YEW LAWL.

I was super busy until today, which I did mention, and there was at least one post between my two vote posts where I explained that I missed page two and so I was unvoting until I read that.

Zzzzzz

I find Deer's vote on me opportunistic at best, maybe even scum grabbing onto a weak player/someone who's implicated themselves and his reasoning to have me lynched is weak at best.

This

deflection

doesn’t warrant a vote?
Opportunistic votes don’t seem like a good thing to me. And this is an “opportunistic vote at best” Or scum attacking a weak player…. Hrmmmmmm…Worth mentioning apparently, but not worth voting. Phenomenal.

For now

unvote

as I am not sure who I wanna vote for right now.

Oh hello…. let’s try not to be too firm on anything.

Got 2 other games to catch up on and then will return.

Black Pot Calling Black Kettle Black. (You can do that, I google’d it.) Anyways reason to lurk was all I read…What did you guys get?

Next Post:

I interject far too much of my own personality into my play then, I guess,

Zzzzz mumbo jumbo crap excuses

because to me my 'reasons' were baseless and my comments sarcasm on boberz

Fair enough.

and just flat out RVS-bandwaggoning on Fuzzy (which more than just I was doing to get a identity claim out of him), I didn't feel like expounding when I had so little time/was so busy so I said ditto the crowd.

So this was, a post a go done in jest. And is now “just” rvs-bandwaggoning…cute.

Not to mention, tvella is such a better lynch.

Yeah, you don't really explain why in your vote boss... Care to?

That was not sarcasm. I'm more upset about the boberz vote than the FB vote really.

Really... Wow.

I could buy sarcasm. Bob had 3 posts before DBE’s vote…none of which looked like something to warrant another playing legitimately saying they dislike their play.

Why what? The boberz vote?

It's cause it's exactly the type of vote I've made before as lazy scum.

That's not exactly a good reason. Because You /=/ Me

QFT

Not to mention, where’s the value in placing a lazy vote on someone like bob…wouldn’t scum be more inclined to lazy vote a wagon?

Apologising for things some people don't even think are scumtells=trying too hard to look town=scum.

Agreed.

Tragedy, do you have any suspects?
have you seen anything that the rest of us might have missed?
what is your take on what has gone on so far?

I read these while skimming and thought, fluff questions.. I would've told you to fuck off this early in the game.

Benmage gets a scum read, but

I won't say why just yet.

Sweet, I can elaborate because Hiraki already confirmed that my thought wasn't true. The not wanting to say more thing, to me, looked like someone with role related info. Sure, we haven't had a night. But some roles are immediately given information that can help them figure things out.

Not so subtle rolefishing here

Apparently it was...I don't think anyone else picked up on any sort of roelfishing attempt...But in case it was, your reasoning for trying to highlight it is......????

These clowns need to vote:

Nachomamma8, Tragedy, Wraith, Nero Cain, tvellalott, DarlaBlueEyes

Posting without posting…Check.

Also, adding "mhm" to the end of every sentence is a good way to get yourself lynched. Please stop.

Really...that's the quality of scum-hunting I can expect this game?

Says the person(s) who took up five pages trying to get people to guess who they are... I'm not against hydras, but I hate it, and let me stress

hate it

, when they hijack threads with irrelevant guessing games.

QFT, and I also dislike hyrdas. (although I have yet to try it)

Tragedy with more noob uselessness, though must express displeasure at the 'I say stupid things easily' comment

which could be pre-emptively justifying doing something antitown.

Agreed, I hate that shit.

I should point out that I am not happy that you can get away with anything just because it was a gambit to get out of RVS,

imagine somebody new had replied to DH's request

, there are ways and means. However I am prepared to accept that it is not scummy, because it probably is not.

Lol, that is valid. I've been baffled countless times with idiocy in this game.

1) avoided my questions
2) not made any contribution to the game except for your fluff posts.

Let's be fair...1)they're shitty question. 2) What of hers do you deem fluff? Were there really ZERO contribution to the game in them? Is noone else guilty of fluff posting?

Which is totally the vast majority of your posting as well.

QFT

So Jason, do you admit that you find a particular action that you are also guilty of scummy, which also means that you are in turn scummy, or is it a crap point?

OooOOoooOOo i can't wait to see what happens there. (I personally would pick crap point, and put my tail between my legs (But lets be honest I'd never be making the crap point to begin with to put my tail between my legs)) I bet jason argues it in some twisted way.

C. I did not lie about any of my votes. I explained them, and whether or not you like my reasons doesn't make them untrue.

Ehhhhh technically you said one thing and than another.

How does 'looking town' should look like to you?

Aggression.

Yeah, The RVS stuff is NOT from the site, so don't bother. I'm not a total newbie, but the site I played on before didn't really involve hydra talk and stuff, though...

Thought so.

1. Is it scumhunting?

No.

What is scumhunting?

2. Will it lead us to scum?

Plausible, but Meta shouldn't be a uber tell, so 99% NO.

3. Does it annoy me?

YES.

.

2-Nor should meta be ignored.
3-And who cares.

Okay well because of secretive ongoing game reasons I'm deciding that my initial read on Darla may be slightly off.

This just seems bad to say, bad to think, bad for me to read...bad bad bad...keep shit like this to yourself.

Votehopping being a tell depends on the game really. If people keep being scummy, I see no problem in changing votes. I find "classic" votehopping is more of an idiot tell than a scumtell.

I guess so. It irritates me where people are flailing around voting people they (maybe alone, or not most) think are scummy..but not lynching the player most agree is scummy.

If I think players 1, 2, and 3 are scummy. But I can’t lynch players 1 or 2 without massive work and convincing and then still not a definite…Well you bet your ass I’m happy with just lynching player 3.

because it is situational.

Everything is situational.

A: Does no one in this game understand the language of sarcasm? REALLY? Because I am doomed if that's the case.

Yeah I'd say you're probably doomed. Its hard to read context and thus sarcasm can be difficult to follow... and an excuse I don't wanna read about. I would suggest avoiding it.

EBWOP:

that looks like a OMGUS there, I realize, but I wasn't paying attention to who I quoted since I added the response to the quote to my already existing vote...

oh-shit mode?

and as for my vote, WHY YES THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM WHY DIDN'T IT HIT ME TO CLAIM THAT SOONER, OMG I AM SO DUMB. I AM REALLY DUMB. FOR REAL.

(and in case it wasn't obvious enough, sir, that was S A R C A S M which basically equates to an answer of no.)

I could go further into why that's a stupid accusation and question but it'd be silly WIFOM logic that would only waste time in which scum (like you) could be found.

Oo i actually smirked with that usage. And the end "like you"...such vigor, I think my dick moved.

Why is scotty suddenly an us?

*blinks*

Oh goddamnit, limp again.


Yo I'm stopping top of pg 10. I have off tomorrow, so I'll finish the catch-up then. Feel free to comment on anything..or not if it eventually gets covered. I'll be sure to restate something I definitely want answered, if youss fail to. Also feel free to highlight anything I missed or anything I should note in the next pages to read.

Note I'll also stay concurrent from this post on while I do my reading of the missing pages (incase it takes longer than planned).

[DemonHybrid]

Okay, guys, the walls need to stop. It's becoming tiring to read.

If the majority of someone's post is agreeable or fluff, say that "The majority of X's post is agreeable/fluff" without posting a response to every post.

[Steven Hacking]

Ok, here is my post as promised. It is still Sunday (barely) in my time zone, so yay. (pre-edit, this post took too long to compile, /fail)

General Comments:
1) I think I'm getting claustrophobic from all the walls of text. They're seriously fatiguing to read, and screw anyone who gets left behind. I know I have a really bad habit of doing them to, which I will try to avoid.
2) This game is very diverse. Bipolar posting which comes in feast/famine, newbs and experienced players, posts made at a certain time completely out of the context in which they're posted, etc.
I find this last part the most troubling, because I think these weak tells of "opportunistic" votes or "wagon" votes are frequently appearing that way because they're coming from info 5 pages old.

The leading wagons:
Darla - seems a little "scatterbrained" early on, just barely starts making sense mid way through, and then seems to fall off again. I actually read her sarcasm as such, so I think I was able to follow her thought process at the time. I admit though, that I've failed to pick up sarcasm in text before, and it totally throws off a read. Perhaps in terms of style, it's best to avoid. At this point I get more of inattentive town than actual scum, but I definitely need to reread recent posting with more attention.

Hiraki - started out reading very scummy but his recent posting seems to be more thought out and logical, still suspicious but out of the top spot. Presently not interested in pushing for the lynch.

tvellalott - Recently posting big walls consisting mostly of quotes and not alot of text. The post where he actually votes Darla just has quote reference numbers and no actual quotes. This would be the time where I'd find actual quotes most helpful. Reviewing the referenced posts are less than spectacular. Some better explanation a little later, but definitely on my list.

Summary/comments:
I like/mostly like the play of: Fonz, and Ben to name a few I can remember...

Iso plans for: Sotty, tvellalot, Wraith, Darla, Deer.
(because there's no chance I'm doing them tonight)

Lastly, whether it works or not, I do believe in lynching liars, and claiming daykill vig bullets qualifies. Despite mostly pro town posting from the Beaver(s), I do not appreciate lies. That said, I would like to hear more from you.

[Mariyta]

Urgh, i'll re-look at that tomorrow then. even if you did, 16 pages to explain your vote and yet very little focus on who you have had your vote on from the start is weird. for someone so convinced he was scum, you did very little to prove it.

I had very limited access, as I explained, repeatedly.

Okay, guys, the walls need to stop. It's becoming tiring to read.

If the majority of someone's post is agreeable or fluff, say that "The majority of X's post is agreeable/fluff" without posting a response to every post.

/agree (even though I, too, am guilty)

Steven, I don't think Lynch All Liars works in the situation of the daykill. This is the third or fourth time I've seen the fake DK since my return, though, so I may be becoming immune to it. I still think it's in bad taste, but I don't think it's necessarily lynch worthy, especially when the person seems fairly town aside from that.

[Scott Brosius]

Vote Count 11

Benmage(0)-
boberz(1)- SensFan,
DarlaBlueEyes(3)- KageLord, boberz, tvellalott,
Deer(0)-
DemonHybrid(1)- Zang,
diddin(1)-sottyrulez
Fuzzy Beavers(0)-
Guderian(1)-hiraki
hiraki(6)- Mariyta, Benmage, Guderian, ribwich, DarlaBlueEyes, Wraith,
jasonT1981(2)- diddin, Nero Cain,
KageLord(1)-Fuzzy Beavers,
LlamaFluff(0)-
Mariyta(1)-jasonT1981,
Nachomamma8(0)-
Nero Cain(1)-Deer,
ribwich(0)-
SensFan(0)-
Sleepless Assassin(0)-
sottyrulez(0)-
The Fonz(0)-
Tragedy(1)-Sleepless Assassin,
tvellalott(3)- Nachomamma8, DemonHybrid, LlamaFluff,
Wraith(1)-The Fonz,
Zang(0)-

Not Voting(1)-Tragedy,

With 24 alive, it's 13 to lynch. Deadline is January 27th at 1pm (EST)

Prodding DarlaBlueEyes, Guderian, KageLord, Nero Cain, ribwich, SensFan

[The Fonz]

Steven, can you briefly explain your Benmage read?

[ribwich]

Prod received. I've been mostly just skimming the last few pages. I'll have a catch up post by tomorrow.

[boberz]

Wow that was hard to catch up on. I am not going to embark on a huge wall catchup post. But I will address some things aimed at me, or that I found worthy of a mention:

Boberz, why is it "clear" that Tragedy's play style is survival first regardless of alignment? As town, shouldn't she be hunting scum before worrying about one vote on her?

She should indeed. But this survivalistic attitude is not one she ‘should’ be making so obvious as scum either. I am not clearing her because of it, but it annoys me more than anything else.

A) If you want her lynched, and pushing her as scum implies you do, you aren't interested in convincing me to vote her

“As scum implies you do”??? Who is the scum accusing Deer of this???

boberz-Can't really make up my mind. All scuminess seems pretty well explained for town too

I am not liking the amount SA keeps saying there is some kind of case against me that can be equally explained as either alignment, if there is one it has evaded my notice. It is almost like floating in texas-hold-em, he is just holding onto this so he can pick it up in a few days time if it suits him.

That wasn't a defense of Wraith,

If anything this post (in my opinion) makes it more likely that if one flips scum the other will also.

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In summation:

I want DBE to come back and talk some more.
I want trgedy to get better.

I have a scum meta of wraith somewhere. Wraith was under suspicion for not attempting to scumhunt if I remember correctly, will dig this out and have a reread at some point.

The game was broken (and hence this being somewhat undermined) because of two players perfect meta of each other (one was scum and one was town) and the fact furcolow was speaking to his scumbuddies openly in thread.

[Wraith]

Jason, if your beef with Mariyta is that she didn't explain her vote, but now she did, why is your vote still on her? I admit it looks a little iffy with the gap in her vote and her justification, but I'm not calling it retroactive casemaking because her case was on earlier posts, not later ones.

Predit: That game? The one that Furcolow fucked up? That's not really a good meta game, because I tried to take a dive to avoid revealing anymore of my scumteam's hand. Unfortunately, my teammates didn't take the hint and ruined it.

[boberz]

Predit: That game? The one that Furcolow fucked up? That's not really a good meta game, because I tried to take a dive to avoid revealing anymore of my scumteam's hand. Unfortunately, my teammates didn't take the hint and ruined it.

As I said my meta is somewhat undermined. And I agree that furcolow was the dick. And he remains on my blacklist for that, and other things.

[DarlaBlueEyes]

picking up prod too, not sure what to say here honestly though.

I've run out of toys to throw out of my pram at people

[The Fonz]

boberz, you've misread that as 'Pushing her, as scum implies you do' but it was actually 'As [you] pushing her as scum, implies you do.' IE 'You pushing her as scum' implies you want her lynched.

Hey Darla, how about scumhunting?

[Wraith]

If you want better scum meta on me, this is the way to go: Newbie 965. My first game, definitely the best I ever played as scum.